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[FlawlessVictory]

Probably too subtle. Can't make it "cinematic" in Snyder's eyes

Could you make those boots under his shoes work? A cape under a button up?

 

[Poni_Boy]

Could you make those boots under his shoes work? A cape under a button up?

Think you responded to the wrong post bud. I was responding to superpowers not used on screen, not shirt rip stuff.

 

[KILLING JOKER]

I was one of the biggest critics of this movie from the announcement of the title all the way up to the release. I still think it was marketed poorly and didn’t agree with some of the casting. I also read almost all the major spoilers and reviews before seeing it. After coming out of the film I realized that I really enjoyed the film a-lot. I was moved by it, I was invested in the characters and I was every entertained. It certainly does not deserve the venom it’s receiving.
A-lot of the complaints I heard before going in is that “this character’s motivation wasn’t clear” or that “this was never explained.” Yet when I watched it, I found myself thinking “there’s the character’s motivation right there” and “there’s the explanation.” I admit the film is dark, brooding and very much like a graphic novel brought to life but I had no issues with any of that. The movie was actually nothing like I expected and I loved that. Snyder made some really original and creative decisions. Particularly in the way the movie was shot.

 

[sabetoonth]

Random....so I guess the classic shirt rip is not ideal for fitting in the real world is why they aren't using it or haven't yet. I can get that but why not use all of his powers? Freeze/super breath doesn't seem like something Snyder is going to use

Its possible he hasn't yet found a scene where he thinks it works best. Even if some of us can think of them.

Just playing Devil's advocate.

 

[Nemeres]

Typical feminazi clickbait. Ignore it.

This flick needs all the support it can get from dudes like you.

 

[souperman]

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Originally Posted by Poni_Boy View Post
Well I believe that part. Never have I seen a Superman so physically burdened by his powers. He takes off like a missile and lands like a concussion grenade. His heat vision is like breaching a nuclear reactor. His super speed is even short, quick explosive bursts. Never have a seen a Superman with such a lack of physical nuance, finesse or control of his powers. I'd be terrified of him helping me.

What??? He's perfectly nuanced during the day of the dead scene, and when saving Lois after Lex pushes her off the building. Plus, he was completely nuanced with his heat vision when he saves Lois in MoS. Not to mention, he has perfect control over the heat vision when he confronts Lex and learns about Martha. His hearing is also nuanced when he overhears Bruce at the party scene. Not to mention, if he'd had no nuance, Bats would've died in that fight.



I agree. You see Superman saving the girl with affection and grace and gentleness ...and a smile !

When he give the guy holding Lois a smack down...this would be met with thunderous applause if CA did it, but Clark? no. I say Clark because at that moment, he is Lois's love. I am sure he didn't kill the guy. He actually said point blank in the bathroom..."I didn't kill those guys!"

He did it for effect. It looked great and was "fun". Is that not something you would do for your love?

He slowly takes off from the Batman fight scene AND from Lois at the street and floats away saying "no one stays good in this world" .

In MOS he gently heat visions Lois's bleed...and the door knob!

Maybe the "intensity" of image and emotion blinded some people.

there is just no pleasing some people I guess...

 

[Poni_Boy]

It's Snyder's problem here and I agree with Poni, even if I don't frame it in quite the same way. It's evident in the scene that he saves Lois in Africa. Everything needs to be brute force, he uses a total of three powers across three movies, four if you count super-speed during flight.

If nothing else, it makes for a fairly uninteresting visual; a lot of these scenes could've been more interesting with a different and more complete utilization of his powers.

This isn't just a problem with Superman, by the by. Batman does the brute force thing, using only two gadgets throughout the entire thing and one of them he needs to move from place to place.

Yep, you phrased it better. Never thought I'd miss seeing the finesse of Routh's Superman. This one is exhausting to watch. It would be like watching boxers stand there only throwing heavy haymakers one after another and another with no jabs or crosses.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

Yep, you phrased it better. Never thought I'd miss seeing the finesse of Routh's Superman. This one is exhausting to watch. It would be like watching boxers stand there only throwing heavy haymakers one after another and another with no jabs or crosses.

Routh's Superman picked up an island with no regard with the people on it(pillars falling over and killing people). Was that part of his finesse?

Cavill's Superman showed finesse with how he landed when he rescued Lois from the ship in MOS (they embraced during their descent) along with rescuing and delivering the child in BvS.

 

[steve4991]

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[Poni_Boy]

Routh's Superman picked up an island with no regard with the people on it(pillars falling over and killing people). Was that part of his finesse?

Cavill's Superman showed finesse with how he landed when he rescued Lois from the ship in MOS (they embraced during their descent) along with rescuing and delivering the child in BvS.

I don't know what that first one has to do with it. That's a feat of strength (like Cavill Supes pulling the boat) it's not supposed to be nuanced. And hey if you don't see his power set this way, that's fine. I do. And I wouldn't even call it overpowered, they're just filmed in an overly theatrical manner to max visual emphasis. The whole top of his head freaking glows bright red before/after he uses heat vision. And don't forget he broke the roof of the Gotham building holding the Batsignal when he landed on it. It's all too exaggerated for me.

 

[souperman]

Maybe SUPERMAN needs a publicist like Hancock !

 

[Rapunzel]

These threads have changed.

It's the fever, the rage....

 

[souperman]

I don't know what that first one has to do with it. That's a feat of strength (like Cavill Supes pulling the boat) it's not supposed to be nuanced. And hey if you don't see his power set this way, that's fine. I do. And I wouldn't even call it overpowered, they're just filmed in an overly theatrical manner to max visual emphasis. The whole top of his head freaking glows bright red before/after he uses heat vision. And don't forget he broke the roof of the Gotham building holding the Batsignal when he landed on it. It's all too exaggerated for me.

there is always Zootopia...

If Superman moved less exaggerated, people would complain that he is boring. Snyder is right...SUPERMAN can't win.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

I don't know what that first one has to do with it. That's a feat of strength (like Cavill Supes pulling the boat) it's not supposed to be nuanced. And hey if you don't see his power set this way, that's fine. I do. And I wouldn't even call it overpowered, they're just filmed in an overly theatrical manner to max visual emphasis. The whole top of his head freaking glows bright red before/after he uses heat vision. And don't forget he broke the roof of the Gotham building holding the Batsignal when he landed on it. It's all too exaggerated for me.

Perhaps I am veering, but I just find it interesting that Cavill Superman gets a lot of heat(not from you personally not sure, just what I've seen here and there) for actions that have been caused by both Reeve and Routh but those are more easily glossed over. My guess is it's because they are such dark films. It's implied that Reeve either kills or seriously harms a depowered Zod in Superman 2 but no one takes issue with that because he smirks and it's meant to be a light and fun moment. But Cavill slams someone through a wall and he is crucified. I can't imagine if Cavill picked up an island with a death clearly shown to someone yet that never gets mentioned with Routh.

 

[souperman]

Perhaps I am veering, but I just find it interesting that Cavill Superman gets a lot of heat(not from you personally not sure, just what I've seen here and there) for actions that have been caused by both Reeve and Routh but those are more easily glossed over. My guess is it's because they are such dark films. It's implied that Reeve either kills or seriously harms a depowered Zod in Superman 2 but no one takes issue with that because he smirks and it's meant to be a light and fun moment. But Cavill slams someone through a wall and he is crucified. I can't imagine if Cavill picked up an island with a death clearly shown to someone yet that never gets mentioned with Routh.

It is the difference between a "campy" movie and a "film"

I loved STM with Reeve...for what it was. A period piece Superman movie. Tongue in cheek and lighthearted tone.

Even Lex was not a monster even though he killed millions with the second missile... he did it with a joke... not an angry snarl.

People "think" they want this again, but better, but in reality, they would pan it even harder than BvS because it is not the movie they want but the revisiting the feeling they got when first seeing it. The good feeling of HOPE.

 

[chintai80]

Perhaps I am veering, but I just find it interesting that Cavill Superman gets a lot of heat(not from you personally not sure, just what I've seen here and there) for actions that have been caused by both Reeve and Routh but those are more easily glossed over. My guess is it's because they are such dark films. It's implied that Reeve either kills or seriously harms a depowered Zod in Superman 2 but no one takes issue with that because he smirks and it's meant to be a light and fun moment. But Cavill slams someone through a wall and he is crucified. I can't imagine if Cavill picked up an island with a death clearly shown to someone yet that never gets mentioned with Routh.

i like reeve's superman within the context of those movies and the 70s.
but his superman straight up killed zod in superman 2, let's not kid ourselves.
it was also done less "honorably" compared to the choice cavill's superman had to make in man of steel.

i think the issue with cavill's superman smashing the terrorist through the wall is because the bad guy's just a human still. superman's so much more powerful than him, he doesn't have to take him out that way. a totally different scenario than being forced to take out zod.

once again, it was done that way, because it would look cool on film - synderism strikes again.

 

[NeoRanger]

there is always Zootopia...

If Superman moved less exaggerated, people would complain that he is boring. Snyder is right...SUPERMAN can't win.

Contrary to popular opinion, you actually can have it both ways and Snyder knows this on account of the fact that when his Superman rescued Lois from that fall, they didn't land in a crater in China.

There are moments for the brutal force of nature that Superman is; when he's super-speeding during flight, when he's using heat-vision on something as big as Doomsday and so on. Then, there are moments that he can cut back on these things, like heat-vision eyes (when not shooting) or during simple take-offs and landings.

I mean, go back to that scene in Africa. [blackout]Why did he need to do the speed THROUGH the wall, instead of doing the speed BEHIND the guy, grab his gun, smash it in his hands instead? Would've been more fun, but Snyder wanted to show Superman for the force of nature that he is. In Man of Steel it was okay, it's part of his vision, I get it. But visuals get stale very quickly, as Tim Burton found out sometime in the late '90s.[/blackout]

 

[Poni_Boy]

Perhaps I am veering, but I just find it interesting that Cavill Superman gets a lot of heat(not from you personally not sure, just what I've seen here and there) for actions that have been caused by both Reeve and Routh but those are more easily glossed over. My guess is it's because they are such dark films. It's implied that Reeve either kills or seriously harms a depowered Zod in Superman 2 but no one takes issue with that because he smirks and it's meant to be a light and fun moment. But Cavill slams someone through a wall and he is crucified. I can't imagine if Cavill picked up an island with a death clearly shown to someone yet that never gets mentioned with Routh.

No sorry I wasn't referencing that at all. Just how their powers were portrayed on screen. For me Cavill Supes is like George Foreman while Routh Supes was like Muhammad Ali.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Contrary to popular opinion, you actually can have it both ways and Snyder knows this on account of the fact that when his Superman rescued Lois from that fall, they didn't land in a crater in China.

There are moments for the brutal force of nature that Superman is; when he's super-speeding during flight, when he's using heat-vision on something as big as Doomsday and so on. Then, there are moments that he can cut back on these things, like heat-vision eyes (when not shooting) or during simple take-offs and landings.

I mean, go back to that scene in Africa. [blackout]Why did he need to do the speed THROUGH the wall, instead of doing the speed BEHIND the guy, grab his gun, smash it in his hands instead? Would've been more fun, but Snyder wanted to show Superman for the force of nature that he is. In Man of Steel it was okay, it's part of his vision, I get it. But visuals get stale very quickly, as Tim Burton found out sometime in the late '90s.[/blackout]

Exactly this. Yes.

 

[Verick808]

In all three of my viewings the crowd chuckled when Superman flew the terrorist through the wall. It was probably the only part that got a rise from the audience everytime I went. Well, maybe Alfred's lines as well.

 

[souperman]

Contrary to popular opinion, you actually can have it both ways and Snyder knows this on account of the fact that when his Superman rescued Lois from that fall, they didn't land in a crater in China.

There are moments for the brutal force of nature that Superman is; when he's super-speeding during flight, when he's using heat-vision on something as big as Doomsday and so on. Then, there are moments that he can cut back on these things, like heat-vision eyes (when not shooting) or during simple take-offs and landings.

I mean, go back to that scene in Africa. [blackout]Why did he need to do the speed THROUGH the wall, instead of doing the speed BEHIND the guy, grab his gun, smash it in his hands instead? Would've been more fun, but Snyder wanted to show Superman for the force of nature that he is. In Man of Steel it was okay, it's part of his vision, I get it. But visuals get stale very quickly, as Tim Burton found out sometime in the late '90s.[/blackout]

my reply from above...

...You see Superman saving the girl with affection and grace and gentleness ...and a smile !

When he give the guy holding Lois a smack down...this would be met with thunderous applause if CA did it, but Clark? no. I say Clark because at that moment, he is Lois's love. I am sure he didn't kill the guy. He actually said point blank in the bathroom..."I didn't kill those guys!"

He did it for effect. It looked great and was "fun". Is that not something you would do for your love?

He slowly takes off from the Batman fight scene AND from Lois at the street and floats away saying "no one stays good in this world" .

In MOS he gently heat visions Lois's bleed...and the door knob!

Maybe the "intensity" of image and emotion blinded some people.

 

[jokesonm3]

Ben Affleck Has Written a Batman Movie Script

There have been rumors that Geoff Johns, DC Entertainment CCO, and Ben Affleck have been working on a Batman solo movie script together. According to talent agency William Morris Endeavor co-CEO Patrick Whitesell, the rumors are true.

"He's contracted to do at least Justice League 1 and 2, so at least three times wearing the cape," Morris told THR. "There's a script that he's written that's a really cool [Batman] idea, so that's out there as an option," he added.
Developing...

http://comicbook.com/2016/03/30/ben-affleck-has-written-a-batman-movie-script/

 

[NeoRanger]

I am sure he didn't kill the guy. He actually said point blank in the bathroom..."I didn't kill those guys!"

He did it for effect. It looked great and was "fun". Is that not something you would do for your love?

I'm sure he didn't kill that guy. That's not the point. The point is that it was over-the-top, unnecessary and visually uninteresting.