All Things DCEU News, Discussion, and Speculation - Part 1

[Tacit Ronin]

And not to pick sides, but at least Ayer admitted what he did was wrong. Mackie (AFAIK) did not.

Oh no! I hope the special snowflakes don't wither.

 

[Boy Scout]

Oh no! I hope the special snowflakes don't wither.

Uh, right.

I'm not saying I need an apology, but if you're going to criticize Ayer, you should at least acknowledge that he apologized. Whether or not that makes up for what he did (which wasn't a big deal in the first place) is a different conversation.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

He probably apologized because the DCEU is a giant meme at this point.

 

[Boy Scout]

I doubt it. I think he's just the kind of guy who doesn't mind owning up to his behavior.

 

[Saitou Hajime]

And not to pick sides, but at least Ayer admitted what he did was wrong. Mackie (AFAIK) did not.

Why did Mackie have to apologize? He was asked his opinion and he gave it, aggressive bias notwithstanding. In contrast, Ayer made an unsolicited, profane jab at a premiere.

 

[Jake Cassidy]

^ Some guy in the crowd shouted it out and he just said it back. It's not that big of a deal.

RDJ said "**** DC" back in 2008 when he was talking about The Dark Knight.

None of this **** matters.

As for Mackie, someone should remind him that he's just a sidekick. t:

 

[Chesterfield]

A sidekick that's getting more love and starring in better films than both Batman and Superman.

 

[BH/HHH]

Transformers 2, 3, 4, and most assuredly 5 will continue to make boatloads of money. That MUST mean they're good. Because they made money.

Did I say that though? Someone was saying it was ok for one cause of success well if you want to play that card then DC has also been succesful. Also seen as though people want to use sports analogies it's m like a team in say football (Soccer) winning a league title and one winning a cup. The league may be better but a cup is still success.

This is my issue with posters like you, you spin what others say to make your point. Go back and read what the discussion was actually about.

The Patriots (Marvel) can talk ****, the Browns (DCEU) can't. Success and a lack thereof creates different standards.

This isn't sport though and even if it was. If one wants to give another **** they cannot then say the other shouldnt. That's a double standard.

Personally, I think it's all equally unprofessional.

I agree

 

[TeeKay]

In another more unfortunate director update Matt Reeves has dropped out of negotiations to direct the Batman solo

 

[A Necessary Evil]

Did I say that though?

Yes. You literally said it was a success because it made money. I'm not spinning anything.

 

[BH/HHH]

Yes. You literally said it was a success because it made money. I'm not spinning anything.

A financial one is what I said because people like to act like it wasn't. Actually bother to read the whole post to get my entire point to which I was responding to instead of pulling out parts and spinning it to suit your agenda saying that making money clearly makes a film good. Which I never said, I also said that a movie been good it bad is objective. There's no black and white with films, if someone likes a film it is good to them. That's a fact.

Here is what you actually said

Transformers 2, 3, 4, and most assuredly 5 will continue to make boatloads of money. That MUST mean they're good. Because they made money.

You didn't say jack about success you said about a movies quality.

 

[Micromind]

Transformers 2, 3, 4, and most assuredly 5 will continue to make boatloads of money. That MUST mean they're good. Because they made money.

I think BH/HHH was making a point to a post made by harlequinade that BvS made enough money, so it was a successful in financial terms, he was not saying anything about the quality of the movie (or lack thereof)

That's rich from someone calling BvS a success.

Ermm because financially it most certainly was. Theatrically and on home video formats.

Anyway you're clearly just out for an argument so that's the end of that one. Of course you will follow that up with you're not surprised but maybe the fact it keeps happening to you should make you less surprised.

 

[harlequinade]

I think BH/HHH was making a point to a post made by harlequinade that BvS made enough money, so it was a successful in financial terms, he was not saying anything about the quality of the movie (or lack thereof)

He said plenty of how it's amazing because it's exactly the kind of movie Snyder wanted to make etc. So that means it's a major success, apparently.

 

[Consona]

In another more unfortunate director update Matt Reeves has dropped out of negotiations to direct the Batman solo

Did not like this choice in the first place so I'm ok with it. They should hire Verbinski. Or Snyder, with great script he would make an excellent Batman film. I loved his horror Batman stuff in BvS and Snyder's fight scenes are fantastic. But I'd go with Verbinski.

 

[BH/HHH]

I think BH/HHH was making a point to a post made by harlequinade that BvS made enough money, so it was a successful in financial terms, he was not saying anything about the quality of the movie (or lack thereof)

Exactly what I said

He said plenty of how it's amazing because it's exactly the kind of movie Snyder wanted to make etc. So that means it's a major success, apparently.

No I did not stop putting words into my mouth.

 

[MbJ]

Snyder needs to be kept 100 feet away from this production at all times.

 

[harlequinade]

Exactly what I said



No I did not stop putting words into my mouth.

My bad. You just agreed with another poster http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=34821255&postcount=408

so clearly you believe that.

 

[Boy Scout]

Why did Mackie have to apologize?

If I remember correctly, he was politely asked his opinion, aggressively stated it, and implied that the interviewer had poor taste for liking the movie. Ayer insulted a company. Mackie insulted a person.

 

[I Am The Knight]

I'll say that Mackie was rude to that guy but probably not in a mean way so he would not feel the need to apologize. He was having fun with the guy.

 

[harlequinade]

On the day Logan has 96% on RT atm The Batman negotiations fall apart.

Why can't people at WB just get their **** together? Other studios manage. Is it really that hard to figure out how to make at least decent movies without some 'catastrophic' rumors circulating every few days?

 

[misslane38]

I'll say that Mackie was rude to that guy but probably not in a mean way so he would not feel the need to apologize. He was having fun with the guy.

One cannot have fun and not be mean while also being rude. If one is rude, the underlying intention is irrelevant. The "I was just joking" defense is the worst because it suggests that a lack of respect is excusable if it is presented in fun package. I know because the middle school kids I work with use that defense all the time during peer mediation and bullying meetings.

 

[Boy Scout]

I'll say that Mackie was rude to that guy but probably not in a mean way so he would not feel the need to apologize. He was having fun with the guy.

That doesn't justify being rude.

Here's my point: if one of them behaved unprofessionally, then they're both guilty of it. Ayer slandered a company and Mackie made fun of someone with a different opinion, and yet most people only concern themselves with the actions of the former. It's a double standard and I hate double standards. They were both unprofessional. I don't much care about either situation, but let's be honest here.

 

[BH/HHH]

My bad. You just agreed with another poster http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=34821255&postcount=408

so clearly you believe that.

Yes I agreed that Snyder is proud of BvS which is what I said not that it makes the film amazing or a major success. So again you are wrong!

 

[Micromind]

I think we should move on, and discuss upcoming movies instead of who said what or who's opinion is right or wrong..

 

[I Am The Knight]

That doesn't justify being rude.

Here's my point: if one of them behaved unprofessionally, then they're both guilty of it. Ayer slandered a company and Mackie made fun of someone with a different opinion, and yet most people only concern themselves with the actions of the former. It's a double standard and I hate double standards. They were both unprofessional. I don't much care about either situation, but let's be honest here.

Oh I'm not really trying to justify Mackie's behaviour. I do find it obnoxious, but I don't think it's a huge deal in the end that warrants a public apology. I do agree it's a double standard for other people to criticize one party and not the other but personally speaking I don't care much about Ayer saying "f*** Marvel". Both Mackie are Ayer said idiotic things trying to be cool, but I don't think Mackie or Ayer were being malicious.