All Things DCEU News, Discussion, and Speculation - Part 2

[The Batman]

I wouldn't put it pass them to think the reason BvS didn't do better is because Goyer didn't have enough involvement. But if the rumor turns out to be true, then we will officially know TPTB at WB are stupid as f---.

We already know how stupid TPTB at WB are. They let Snyder make BvS.

 

[FunkMiller]

I wouldn't put it pass them to think the reason BvS didn't do better is because Goyer didn't have enough involvement. But if the rumor turns out to be true, then we will officially know TPTB at WB are stupid as f---.

To be fair to Goyer, he has had a hand in some of the best cbm scripts ever put on film. There's every chance that if his original BvS script had been used, it would have been a better film.

 

[Ivan Drago]

I don't think I could stomach another bad GL movie.

Please no Goyer.

 

[titansupes]

To be fair to Goyer, he has had a hand in some of the best cbm scripts ever put on film. There's every chance that if his original BvS script had been used, it would have been a better film.

I've always thought people were too hard on Goyer. But it's worth noting that over a 27 year career, his only movies to be well-received critically were the ones directed by Nolan, and only one of those (the lowest rated one) was he considered lead screenwriter.

 

[Lantern Venom]

Can El Diablo be resurrected? I mean he does have that power in the comics! Maybe join the JLD because I doubt he'd return to the Squad... I'm just desperate for some Latino superheroes/villains!!

I LOVED the fight between Incubus and Diablo. If WB is thinking about bringing ol' Hothead back to smack around a few other supernatural baddies, I'm all for it.

 

[UltimatePyro9]

Considering his opinion of Martian Manhunter, I don't trust Goyer.

 

[FunkMiller]

I've always thought people were too hard on Goyer. But it's worth noting that over a 27 year career, his only movies to be well-received critically were the ones directed by Nolan, and only one of those (the lowest rated one) was he considered lead screenwriter.

Agreed. He - like Snyder - is good when someone with more talent and good leadership is standing behind him. He can provide great input into stories, but isn't adept at creating entire stories himself.

 

[Powerman34]

To be fair to Goyer, he has had a hand in some of the best cbm scripts ever put on film. There's every chance that if his original BvS script had been used, it would have been a better film.

Agree to this. Goyer is a great ideas man. I was also wondering what his story for GL with some of Snyders visuals would look like.

 

[GothamBat]

I LOVED the fight between Incubus and Diablo. If WB is thinking about bringing ol' Hothead back to smack around a few other supernatural baddies, I'm all for it.

I want him back too but on the other hand.. I really don't want them to pull an MCU and make death basically meaningless. It would compromise the verisimilitude of the universe. Superman is the one exception because it has a solid basis in the source material and he basically died to be resurrected in the first place. That and with the Kryptonian birthing chamber they can devise a proper plot device to revive him. With Diablo, I just don't really want them to pull that.. As much as I would love to see him come back.

 

[Batjag]

I want him back too but on the other hand.. I really don't want them to pull an MCU and make death basically meaningless. It would compromise the verisimilitude of the universe. Superman is the one exception because it has a solid basis in the source material and he basically died to be resurrected in the first place. That and with the Kryptonian birthing chamber they can devise a proper plot device to revive him. With Diablo, I just don't really want them to pull that.. As much as I would love to see him come back.

I get what you're saying about death being cheapened, and I agree with it, but I think that El Diablo would sort of slip between the cracks. He's a supernaturally cursed person to begin with, so I don't think it would be much of a problem to come up with a way to bring him back via his curse or some occult ritual, while still allowing death to be final for "regular" characters.

 

[GothamBat]

I get what you're saying about death being cheapened, and I agree with it, but I think that El Diablo would sort of slip between the cracks. He's a supernaturally cursed person to begin with, so I don't think it would be much of a problem to come up with a way to bring him back via his curse or some occult ritual, while still allowing death to be final for "regular" characters.

True enough. Then again, a lot of the main cast of the dceu will be comprised of metahumans with supernatural affiliations. So I don't think that puts you in the clear fully. But I see where you're coming from. I guess it's a win-win because if we get him back it'll be awesome and if we don't then that'll be good too. We know enchantress will be coming back even if her heart was crushed because she's set to be a part of dark universe right? And Waller gave Bruce her file. What need would there be for that if the Enchantress was gone? In light of that and how similar Diablo was to her and her brother, the prospect of him coming back is pretty likely. I want to see that awesome fire avatar thing again. We didn't get that clear of a look at it.
The more I think about it, the more it occurs to me that the whole reason Succubus and Incubus were sealed away might have been because they couldn't be killed. That trope pops up in manga and anime a lot. In Naruto, elemental forces of chakra known as bijū are sealed in human hosts because they can't be destroyed. If they're killed, they'll just re-appear after a while in a different place. Same goes for people that are resurrected from the dead. Their bodies regenerate every time they're physically harmed so the only way to get rid of them is through a sealing technique. But this would mean that Incubus would return too and judging from his sister's reaction when he was blown up, I don't see that happening.

 

[titansupes]

Agreed. He - like Snyder - is good when someone with more talent and good leadership is standing behind him. He can provide great input into stories, but isn't adept at creating entire stories himself.

Yup. I've got no problem with him getting the ball rolling on this, or Flash if it came down to it, but we'd need someone else-- someone much stronger-- to take it home.

 

[2kt09]

Agreed. He - like Snyder - is good when someone with more talent and good leadership is standing behind him. He can provide great input into stories, but isn't adept at creating entire stories himself.

The problem is all Goyer has to his credit as everyone duly notes is story.
His script writing is horrendous (still a B movie guy) and his directing/managing of comic book shows is worse.
So, I keep questioning how it is he keeps getting work.

 

[Powerman34]

The problem is all Goyer has to his credit as everyone duly notes is story.
His script writing is horrendous (still a B movie guy) and his directing/managing of comic book shows is worse.
So, I keep questioning how it is he keeps getting work.

Because for all the many valid points u just made, Goyer is a comic book guy i.e. writer and he and Geoff had some good runs in comics. You could see it in Batman Begins. That Batman felt more like BTAS with some of Dennis O'Neil's Batman. His ideas about Krypton and how Superman was more like a lost nobility sent to earth was great. Just like TDKT he needs a good script writer and screen writer to polish his ideas. I personally can't wait to see what he comes up with for the world of GL. The different color lanterns and how the handle jurisdictions. Could be epic!!

 

[2kt09]

Because for all the many valid points u just made, Goyer is a comic book guy i.e. writer and he and Geoff had some good runs in comics. You could see it in Batman Begins. That Batman felt more like BTAS with some of Dennis O'Neil's Batman. His ideas about Krypton and how Superman was more like a lost nobility sent to earth was great. Just like TDKT he needs a good script writer and screen writer to polish his ideas. I personally can't wait to see what he comes up with for the world of GL. The different color lanterns and how the handle jurisdictions. Could be epic!!

I'm not that familiar with Goyer's comic work. Right, story-wise people appreciate his worth.

Johns I can fully understand since his writing works just fine when he goes from comic to adaptations. Plus, he has successfully made some of the most memorable episodes of cbtv.

 

[Juan1193]

I LOVED the fight between Incubus and Diablo. If WB is thinking about bringing ol' Hothead back to smack around a few other supernatural baddies, I'm all for it.

Doesn't he have the power to resurrect in the comics? If I'm remembering correctly Chato is possessed by a spirit of vengeance or some supernatural spirit that can't be killed. The original, Lazaro/Lazarus only died because the spirit left him to possess Chato. Wouldn't the same apply to Chato? Although the movie might have went a different route and changed El Diablo's origin.

 

[idiot09]

Kroll has already said he is not going to be the director. And Goyer, Johns and some other guy are working on the script. Its in good hands. Now, get a kick-ass director. What about that guy from Kong?

 

[Vlyse]

What's the consensus around here? Updated DC slate @ Cinema Con or Comic Con?

 

[BH/HHH]

What's the consensus around here? Updated DC slate @ Cinema Con or Comic Con?

I think Comic Con and I think they'll announce some directors etc.

 

[Rowsdower!]

Kroll has already said he is not going to be the director. And Goyer, Johns and some other guy are working on the script. Its in good hands. Now, get a kick-ass director. What about that guy from Kong?

Kong was well-paced, well-filmed, and featured a large cast of interesting characters. I'd say hell yes to the director, Jordan Vogt-Roberts.


But only if he keeps the beard. Forever.

 

[BlueLanternKal]

He's a young dude. I don't know if he's familiar with the source material, but the dude has imagination and isn't scared of stepping on anybody's toes. If Larry Fong comes along as package deal I would not be opposed to him directing GLC.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

was BvS the last DC film announcement we got at comic con?

god that still seems like yesterday.

 

[Mandon Knight]

What's the consensus around here? Updated DC slate @ Cinema Con or Comic Con?

I'd hope at least to hear they've got a director (who they are able to keep) on board for The Flash.

 

[FunkMiller]

What's the consensus around here? Updated DC slate @ Cinema Con or Comic Con?

In an ideal world, confirmation of Vaughn directing next Superman movie (not called Man Of Steel 2), first details of Reeves The Batman, new director for Flash announced, hints at 'soft' reboot of the universe concentrating more on individual movie series, rather than shared universe stuff.

 

[Consona]

There's no need for soft reboot. Superman will come back as the true ideal of hope after his sacrifice, Batman stopped being mentally unstable already at the end of BvS. You just continue the story...

The Aquaman tease looks totally incredible.