All Things DCEU News, Discussion, and Speculation - Part 2

[Jekecy]

As has been pointed out again and again, WB is moving forward with this universe and Snyder is directing Justice League. So while the powers that be might be disappointed, it clearly wasn't a deal breaker.

Hardly indicative of much when JL was already deep into production when BvS hit theaters. Had it not, I'd bet good money it would have been delayed and Zack is sidelined.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

Thankfully I love blockbusters with balls.

Bad film making judgements are not the same as testicles

 

[Hammer!]

Very good point, its more of a super-hero art film with the 2 biggest stars of it's genre. It appealed to alot of people just not as much as other films.

@The Guard you're right on point. not appealing to the masses would mean it made somewhere like $300 million at the box office. Whether the DCEU haters accept it or not the movie was a moderate success and the majority of the movie going audience rated it positively.

It got a B cinema score. Tied for lowest in the genre, if I'm not mistaken, with Catwoman and Lantern.

 

[badboy]

Killing Superman and reviving him 15 minutes later. That was ballsy.

Yeah, i don't see the point. Well, i mean, i think Zack himself said in an interview that it was for the shock value, but i just can't agree with a decision like that. If you're gonna kill a character, then kill it.

 

[Greens]

Yeah, i don't see the point. Well, i mean, i think Zack himself said in an interview that it was for the shock value, but i just can't agree with a decision like that. If you're gonna kill a character, then kill it.

I actually kind of liked the way they handled Superman's death and I thought the aftermath was really touching, but then it was ruined by the levitating dust. A cop-out that in part invalidated what came before.

 

[dallywhitty]

Bad film making judgements are not the same as testicles

It's all subjective, my dear. Batman v Superman was evidently not to most people's tastes, but it aligned with my own perfectly. Angry, angst-ridden protagonists? Check. Hammy, over-the-top villain chewing up the scenery? Check. Bizarre dream sequences guaranteed to alienate casual filmgoers? Check. I love the film unapologetically and I wish there were more blockbusters like it.

 

[Greens]

It's all subjective, my dear. Batman v Superman was evidently not to most people's tastes, but it aligned with my own perfectly. Angry, angst-ridden protagonists? Check. Hammy, over-the-top villain chewing up the scenery? Check. Bizarre dream sequences guaranteed to alienate casual filmgoers? Check. I love the film unapologetically and I wish there were more blockbusters like it.

Is this satire?

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

It got a B cinema score. Tied for lowest in the genre, if I'm not mistaken, with Catwoman and Lantern.

And it got in the 60s on RT GA score and over a 6 out of 10 on IMDB. But I know you wanted to ignore those because it didn't fit with the narrative in your head.

 

[dallywhitty]

Is this satire?

It's true. All of it.

But srsly, I've loved the film from the get-go. I had a couple of issues with the theatrical cut (like the choppy editing in the first half), but for me these issues were eradicated in the Ultimate Edition. After the Burton Batflicks and Watchmen, it's my fourth favourite superhero film.

Oddly enough I hated Man of Steel when I first watched it, but I did a 180 when I revisited it. As for Suicide Squad, it's a fun, energetic film with surprisingly high replay value, but it should've been better than it was. It needed a re-write and Warners should've backed off as opposed to having a trailer company re-edit it.

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

Yeah, i don't see the point. Well, i mean, i think Zack himself said in an interview that it was for the shock value, but i just can't agree with a decision like that. If you're gonna kill a character, then kill it.

I didn't love it either but I get they were told to fast track Justice League and the way they decided to do that was have them come together because Superman's dead.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

It's all subjective, my dear. Batman v Superman was evidently not to most people's tastes, but it aligned with my own perfectly. Angry, angst-ridden protagonists? Check. Hammy, over-the-top villain chewing up the scenery? Check. Bizarre dream sequences guaranteed to alienate casual filmgoers? Check. I love the film unapologetically and I wish there were more blockbusters like it.

good for you then

 

[badboy]

It's all subjective, my dear. Batman v Superman was evidently not to most people's tastes, but it aligned with my own perfectly. Angry, angst-ridden protagonists? Check. Hammy, over-the-top villain chewing up the scenery? Check. Bizarre dream sequences guaranteed to alienate casual filmgoers? Check. I love the film unapologetically and I wish there were more blockbusters like it.

That's the idea haters want to propagate. If you quickly go through RT's last 100 reviews you will see that over 60% gave it a positive rating. When the movie came out, twitter's response was mostly positive. I was a lot on twitter back then and read a lot about it over the internet and i think it was something like 3 to 1. One negative opinion for every 3 or 4. Not the greatest of the numbers, and definitely far from the desired number, but it certainly shows that the majority doesn't dislike the movie. I can also tell you that most people on my social circle enjoyed the movie. I'd say around 75%, easily. Haters are very, very, very loud, and sometimes that can creat the impression that nobody likes the movie.

 

[Hammer!]

And it got in the 60s on RT and over a 6 out of 10 on IMDB. But I know you wanted to ignore those because it didn't fit with the narrative in your head.

Getting under 60% is super hard to do in the genre on RT for audience, especially recent films. 63% a year out, and it was at 94% after the first few days from fans who voted it highly out of fandom, before the film came out. So yeah, not the most reliable meter. As likely to dip into 'rotten' territory as it is to stay in the low 60's two years down the line.

Lower audience score than all 14 MCU films, lower than 8/10 X-men films - one percentage over X3, four over Origins:Wolverine - tied with Suicide Squad at 63%, over 10% under it's predecessor Man of Steel, only 2% higher than Supes Returns, lower than every Batman movie not directed by Schumacher, higher than Green Lantern as well as DC's two complete modern day abortions, Catwoman and Jonah Hex.

Green Lantern was in the low 60's until two years out when it dipped to 45%, kind of expecting the same with BvS and SS considering the reaction to those films were fairly comparable to that of GL.

 

[badboy]

Getting under 60% is super hard to do in the genre on RT for audience, especially recent films. 63% a year out, and it was at 94% after the first few days from fans who voted it highly out of fandom, before the film came out. So yeah, not the most reliable meter. As likely to dip into 'rotten' territory as it is to stay in the low 60's two years down the line.

Lower audience score than all 14 MCU films, lower than 8/10 X-men films - one percentage over X3, four over Origins:Wolverine - tied with Suicide Squad at 63%, over 10% under it's predecessor Man of Steel, only 2% higher than Supes Returns, lower than every Batman movie not directed by Schumacher, higher than Green Lantern as well as DC's two complete modern day abortions, Catwoman and Jonah Hex.

Green Lantern was in the low 60's until two years out when it dipped to 45%, kind of expecting the same with BvS and SS considering the reaction to those films were fairly comparable to that of GL.

So, the movie pleased over 60% of the audience? But all that matters is that 37% weren't happy with it?

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

I didn't love it either but I get they were told to fast track Justice League and the way they decided to do that was have them come together because Superman's dead.

and to save his resurrection for JL instead of cramming it in BvS too was not an option? I mean, it's the least of BvS's problems, but it would have been one problem less

 

[Hammer!]

So, the movie pleased over 60% of the audience? But all that matters is that 37% weren't happy with it?

That's less than 90% of the movies in this genre, is the main point. And the pre release rankings that made it 94%, so its probably considerably less than 63%, and should continue to fall if prior film rankings of poorly received movies with strong fan bases is any indication.

That and the B Cinema Score, lowest in the genre next to Catwoman and Green Lantern. It's obviously better than CW, but pretty comparable to GL in quality.

 

[badboy]

That's less than 90% of the movies in this genre, is the main point. And the pre release rankings that made it 94%, so its probably considerably less than 63%, and should continue to fall if prior film rankings of poorly received movies with strong fan bases is any indication.

That and the B Cinema Score, lowest in the genre next to Catwoman and Green Lantern. It's obviously better than CW, but pretty comparable to GL in quality.

But if you go to the reviews, that number coincides with the percentage of positive reviews. And it coincides with pretty much every data you can find regarding people's opinions on the movie.

I find it amazing the effort that people make in order to discredit the real numbers. They say the majority doesn't like it. If you show them data that shows the majority did like it, they start making calculations regarding how the movie compares to other movies, so they can say "see, see? it's less than any other movie". I mean, how obsessed can one be with hating on a movie? The movie has a 3.6/10 audience rating, which is basically in the same league as IM2, Thor, TFA, TIH, Hellboy II and is considerably above several CB movies. The world didn't go crazy over it. But can we stop pretending that it is horrendous and almost everyone hates it, when that's simply not true?

 

[Hammer!]

But if you go to the reviews, that number coincides with the percentage of positive reviews. And it coincides with pretty much every data you can find regarding people's opinions on the movie.

I find it amazing the effort that people make in order to discredit the real numbers. They say the majority doesn't like it. If you show them data that shows the majority did like it, they start making calculations regarding how the movie compares to other movies, so they can say "see, see? it's less than any other movie". I mean, how obsessed can one be with hating on a movie? The movie has a 3.6/10 audience rating, which is basically in the same league as IM2, Thor, TFA, TIH, Hellboy II and is considerably above several CB movies. The world didn't go crazy over it. But can we stop pretending that it is horrendous and almost everyone hates it, when that's simply not true?

Why is it tied for lowest Cinema Score in the genre? Why are politicians using it as a joke during Presidential broadcasts? Why does it have a pultry 26% approval rating from journalists and film pundits? Why is it's audience RT score lower than 90% of all films in the genre including every MCU films and 8/10 X-Men films, and the lowest for any Batman film not directed by Schumacher?

 

[ManWithNoName18]

New Wonder Woman trailer

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[R_Hythlodeus]

But if you go to the reviews, that number coincides with the percentage of positive reviews.

I'm not a math expert and don't pretend to be, but 27% positive reviews are nowhere near 63%

 

[The Joker]

Of course not. But if they wanted it to join the billion dollar club, they shouldn't have hired a director as divisive as Zack Snyder.

There's a lot of things WB shouldn't have done with this franchise but they did anyway. You think they don't want JL to make a billion, too, like The Avengers even though they hired Hack Snyder for that as well?

 

[2kt09]

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[R_Hythlodeus]

There's a lot of things WB shouldn't have done with this franchise but they did anyway. You think they don't want JL to make a billion, too, like The Avengers even though they hired Hack Snyder for that as well?

Nah, they're perfectly fine with movies featuring the most iconic superheroes of all time making significantly less money than a group of characters that to the GA were B or even C listers just a decade ago. After all, they already have more money than they could ever eat

 

[badboy]

Why is it tied for lowest Cinema Score in the genre?

It really doesn't matter and i don't care. What matters is that you can't claim the majority dislikes the movie because you don't have data to back you up. As far as comparing movies with each other, that depends on so many different factors that it is absolutely useless to do it and proves nothing. You absolutely can't compare Batman v Superman with, let's say, Ant-Man. You just can't. The expectations are completely different, the preconceptions are different, the emotional investment is different. So how can you compare them? Do you think Thor or Iron Man were ever under the same pression as BvS?

Now, if you can provide me with any factual data that proves the majority truly doesn't like this movie, i'd be happy to take a look at it and change my views on the subject.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

On a somewhat related note: The new WW trailer just dropped and it's just more of the Snyder-esque super slow mo BS. Jenkins once was a pretty good director, sad that she adept her style to fit Snyder's aesthetics