All Things DCEU News, Discussion, and Speculation - Part 2

[STARMAN]

Physical home media has declined over the years. As of a few years ago, that decline has not been offset by digital sales and rentals. Digital and streaming forms are now part of the consideration when accounting for home media.

 

[Boy Scout]

They are certainly not chump change. For example Man of Steel made $160M in promotions and tie-ins. And in home media Man of Steel made a beastly $110M.

To be clear, I meant chump change in comparison to how much a film could make during a theatrical release.

Probably best haha but in any case mate hope you don't think I was getting annoyed or if I was coming across that way.

Not at all! I just think we're both distasteful of going back and forth unnecessarily. In my opinion, if there's not much left to say and you can just agree to disagree, you should.

Its widely regarded these days from the people I know (in the industry) that they would regard now the cinematic 'run' of a film as the 'pre-curser' to a home release, it's like a starter and main course, you can 'bank' on the starter not filling you up but the main course will take care of any hunger. The split on dependence of $$$ for 'bankability' with a release is firmly with a dvd/blu ray release and not a cinematic run these days, as I say, as far as conversations with friends that are industry based is concerned.

Really? Interesting. Because I've heard that the home video market was on the decline. I'd love to know more about it.

 

[Mandon Knight]

Just in the sense that the cinema release 'window' is getting shorter every year in terms of accessibility to getting product to the masses and having it stay there, it's barely 12 weeks now maximum for a film to be on the big screen (and that's a luxury), so producers are as others are saying looking at duel release time scales and obviously multi platform release schedules far earlier than they would have envisaged a few years back, say 5-6 years ago, it's almost like having a second 'bite at the cherry' these days as $$$ box office cannot be taken as read any more as the singular item to bank on.

 

[idiot09]

To be clear, I meant chump change in comparison to how much a film could make during a theatrical release.

While true that home media sales pale compared to box office, MOS made $110M which is almost equal to its opening weekend. And BvS did very well to in home media, making around $70M so far. So that also factors into how much profit a movie makes. MOS and BvS so far have done reall well in home release, but yeah compared to theatrical money, it doesnt come close.

 

[STARMAN]

Gross income is not the same as net income. It's always tricky to determine how much profit a film actually made, especially with Hollywood accounting.

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

The simple fact is that the first Batman/Superman movie of all time bombed with the critics and with a big chunk of the audience as well. That is a failure and not how it was supposed to go.

Caro: It’s that old, “you repeat a lie long enough, it becomes the truth.” It made $800-

 

[BH/HHH]

Not at all! I just think we're both distasteful of going back and forth unnecessarily. In my opinion, if there's not much left to say and you can just agree to disagree, you should.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

The simple fact is that the first Batman/Superman movie of all time bombed with the critics and with a big chunk of the audience as well. That is a failure and not how it was supposed to go.

Agreed. Add to the list the financial failure that movie was. $800M (or whatever it was) for a movie that brought the Trinity together for the first time might have turned a small profit, but for a $250M+ budget (estimates are that it was actually higher than official numbers but I'll go with the official ones here to be generous) excluding the very extensive marketing WB did, it's hard to call it a huge success without laughing hysterically

 

[misslane38]

Agreed. Add to the list the financial failure that movie was. $800M (or whatever it was) for a movie that brought the Trinity together for the first time might have turned a small profit, but for a $250M+ budget (estimates are that it was actually higher than official numbers but I'll go with the official ones here to be generous) excluding the very extensive marketing WB did, it's hard to call it a huge success without laughing hysterically

Who is claiming BvS was a huge success? Arguing that the film was not a total failure because it didn't bomb financially is not the same thing as hyperbolically claiming the film was a huge success. I think you are laughing at a straw man.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

Who is claiming BvS was a huge success? Arguing that the film was not a total failure because it didn't bomb financially is not the same thing as hyperbolically claiming the film was a huge success. I think you are laughing at a straw man.

I'm hypothetically laughing at hypothetical strawmen to be precise

 

[Greens]

Caro: It’s that old, “you repeat a lie long enough, it becomes the truth.” It made $800-

I don't give a rat's ass. Think about what this movie was supposed to be. It was supposed to be the triumphant first ever meeting of Batman and Superman on screen. A great cinematic event that would be a landmark in the history of comic book movies.

It's a landmark alright, but not for the right reasons. WB ****ed it up. Even if you liked the movie you have to admit that the movie did not do its job, i.e. connect with fans and critics worldwide. It caused a swathe of DISTRUST in the DCEU. Every movie that comes out is supposed to be the one that turns it all around. MoS was a divisive movie, but Batman v Superman was very close to leaving a message on the Grim Reaper's answering machine.

 

[Mandon Knight]

The end of BvS was literally a world FULL of hope, brought about a sacrifice for mankind and the feeling of a greatness coming, which is what it's end intention was set to produce, that's how I saw it, felt it, appreciated it. I hate the way people who love this film are made to 'justify' why they should love it against the majority who seemingly loathed it. Its personal choice, let's just simply move on shall we ?

 

[Greens]

Move on? This is the DCEU thread, so I think its abominable start will come up quite often.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

It comes down to: Some like what they got, some simply want better. We all have opinions and we should be able to communicate them

 

[Chip Chipperson]

The end of BvS was literally a world FULL of hope, brought about a sacrifice for mankind and the feeling of a greatness coming, which is what it's end intention was set to produce, that's how I saw it, felt it, appreciated it. I hate the way people who love this film are made to 'justify' why they should love it against the majority who seemingly loathed it. Its personal choice, let's just simply move on shall we ?

no one is being asked to justify anything. The sooner everyone accepts the fact that we all get to have our own opinions no matter how much we disagree, the better.

BvS wasn't a total failure, but it could have done A LOT better at the box office and with critics/fans. If we can't come to that agreement, then thats where the problem lies.

 

[Greens]

edit: I suck at formatting

 

[dallywhitty]

Batman v Superman may have performed less than Warners hoped, but it still made a lot of money. I think plenty of people, myself included, expected it to join the billion dollar club simply because it had Batman and Superman in it. Ultimately what we're talking about is a fairly grim sequel to Man of Steel (not a massive money-maker either) in which Batman brands sex traffickers, Superman dies at the end, and the audience has to watch a 90 minute political thriller before they actually reach the fight scene they've bought the ticket for. I love the film and I've watched it numerous times, but it's not a fun, crowd-friendly kinda film, and it's unfair to expect it to appeal to the masses as much as, say, Civil War.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Batman v Superman may have performed less than Warners hoped, but it still made a lot of money. I think plenty of people, myself included, expected it to join the billion dollar club simply because it had Batman and Superman in it. Ultimately what we're talking about is a fairly grim sequel to Man of Steel (not a massive money-maker either) in which Batman brands sex traffickers, Superman dies at the end, and the audience has to watch a 90 minute political thriller before they actually reach the fight scene they've bought the ticket for. I love the film and I've watched it numerous times, but it's not a fun, crowd-friendly kinda film, and it's unfair to expect it to appeal to the masses as much as, say, Civil War.

do you think WB wanted/expected it to not appeal to the masses?

 

[Greens]

Batman v Superman may have performed less than Warners hoped, but it still made a lot of money. I think plenty of people, myself included, expected it to join the billion dollar club simply because it had Batman and Superman in it. Ultimately what we're talking about is a fairly grim sequel to Man of Steel (not a massive money-maker either) in which Batman brands sex traffickers, Superman dies at the end, and the audience has to watch a 90 minute political thriller

Political thriller? Come on.

and it's unfair to expect it to appeal to the masses as much as, say, Civil War.

It's unfair to expect a movie starring two of the most iconic superheroes of all time to appeal to the masses? Yeah, I'm sure WB had a niche audience in mind with this film.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

it's unfair to expect it to appeal to the masses

It had a 250 million dollar budget minimum. WB is no charity. They don't make movies in that price range and go: "I don't care if it doesn't appeal to the masses, It's unfair to expect that. If we make just one person in the audience happy, our work here is done."

 

[The Guard]

How is $873 million somehow not appealing to the masses? The movie didn't appeal to the masses as well as they had hoped, and may have been a disappointment as they had hoped for a billion. But it got terrible reviews and still made almost $900 million. Clearly it appealed to someone in the masses...

As has been pointed out again and again, WB is moving forward with this universe and Snyder is directing Justice League. So while the powers that be might be disappointed, it clearly wasn't a deal breaker.

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

The end of BvS was literally a world FULL of hope, brought about a sacrifice for mankind and the feeling of a greatness coming, which is what it's end intention was set to produce, that's how I saw it, felt it, appreciated it. I hate the way people who love this film are made to 'justify' why they should love it against the majority who seemingly loathed it. Its personal choice, let's just simply move on shall we ?

Qft

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

Batman v Superman may have performed less than Warners hoped, but it still made a lot of money. I think plenty of people, myself included, expected it to join the billion dollar club simply because it had Batman and Superman in it. Ultimately what we're talking about is a fairly grim sequel to Man of Steel (not a massive money-maker either) in which Batman brands sex traffickers, Superman dies at the end, and the audience has to watch a 90 minute political thriller before they actually reach the fight scene they've bought the ticket for. I love the film and I've watched it numerous times, but it's not a fun, crowd-friendly kinda film, and it's unfair to expect it to appeal to the masses as much as, say, Civil War.

Very good point, its more of a super-hero art film with the 2 biggest stars of it's genre. It appealed to alot of people just not as much as other films.

@The Guard you're right on point. not appealing to the masses would mean it made somewhere like $300 million at the box office. Whether the DCEU haters accept it or not the movie was a moderate success and the majority of the movie going audience rated it positively.

 

[dallywhitty]

do you think WB wanted/expected it to not appeal to the masses?

Of course not. But if they wanted it to join the billion dollar club, they shouldn't have hired a director as divisive as Zack Snyder.

Thankfully I love blockbusters with balls, so the film was right up my alley. I mean, my favourite comic book film ever is Batman Returns, a melancholy black comedy which understandably earned less than its predecessor and caused a furore amongst angry parents. That's what happens when you give Tim Burton full creative control.

 

[Greens]

Killing Superman and reviving him 15 minutes later. That was ballsy.