I Am The Knight
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I'm sorry but "I didn't kill those men" is not the same as "I didn't kill anyone".No.
First, they're in the bathroom some time later when they discuss this, so they are now placing the event in the larger context of the world's reaction to Superman, not discussing that specific part of the event.
Second, that is simply not the way the English language works.
"Those men" means the group in question: IE, the men who died, or that group of men as a whole.
There is nothing inherent in his statement that excludes the warlord contextually, especially since the warlord/gunman was part of that group, which he refers to as "those men".
Why would Superman deny killing, and then forget to mention the single one of "those men" that he killed?
If, for example, Superman was pressed about the casualties from his fight with Zod and he said "I didn't kill those people" would that mean that he was denying that he did, in fact kill Zod later?
See, the warlord is separated from the other men by something rather obvious. There is obviously the matter of his location and the matter of the way he was dispatched. He was inside with Lois, so he was never shot and incinerated. He was "taken" by brute force, his fate/location is unknown. But Lois "knows" what happened to him.
So the warlord is not part of the group of men that Lois is inquiring about.
She is not asking what happened to the dead men. She knows. Everyone does. It is major news at that point. That is part of why the hearings are held; the mess that the conflict became.
Lois knows full well that he didn't do whatever happened, and now, because she is concerned about the mess that her investigation into the terrorists became, she wants to know what DID happen, which informs her character arc and investigation throughout the rest of the film.
She is referring to being concerned about Superman's involvement in the conflict, period. The "cost" she mentions is the unforseen consequences that his involvement can lead to (further explored with Jonathan Kent's analogy of the horses), and her concerns over the perception that the rest of the world has about Superman being unilaterally involved in these types of incidents.
Actually, I don't think she knows for sure. After dispatching the warlord, Superman just disappears, leaving Lois there to go through the bodies. This is even more abrupt in the TC where there is an inmediate cut to black after Superman does away with the guy. She knows Superman is a good man, but she can also see burned bodies lying around. A little suspect.
When Clark returns home it's like the first time they see each other since the event and all she knows for sure is what she saw on the news. Superman showed up, something happened, and then he left. She is a journalist. She may know Clark is good, but the whole thing seems iffy.
I mean there is a reason why Clark feels the need to say that he didn't kill those men, which again, doesn't really mean he didn't kill the warlord.
Meh.
There are plenty of ambiguous moments in other films where people don't assume the worst about a character.
You get these discussions on this point mostly because some posters have a hatred of a portrayal of Superman that has killed in the previous film, are hypersensitive about the issue and looking for any reason to condemn this version of the character further.
That, or they're literally just jumping to conclusions despite not having the info to draw those conclusions from a logical standpoint.
The people who believe this character is basically a decent human being who probably doesn't go around snapping necks and such don't seem to be insisting on the "he clearly killed that guy" interpretation of the sequence.
It has historically been those who have been the most vocal about Superman killing and it being poorly handled who jumped all over this sequence.
And hey, if you want to believe that he killed that guy, go right ahead. But your "feeling" is not tangible proof of something.
Or maybe this gets brought up because people think that the way the warlord is rather ambiguous and people have seen this Superman kill to save lives before.
Not sure why bring up my "feeling" or something. I am not saying Superman killed the guy. I'm saying that I can see why people think that he did.
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