I just hate the impact of RT and Metacritc on the GA. I have a bunch of friends who have already said " the reviews aren't good" or "Cavill is not getting good reviews." Some of it is crap as they are simply looking at the score as opposed to reading a review that may be Rotten but not exactly bad.
At least it's breaking records in the Philippines.
Yeah but SOME people (not me) will point out that Breaking records doesn't make a movie good.
PLENTY of people nit pic anyway. There is no WAY to make everyone Happy and sadly there's those people who flat out hate ANY fanatsy in the first place.
MEH like I keep saying, I'll see it without any critic or reviewer's opinion, just you people here.
Yes, just like how we all were saying how all the credit must go for Snyder for this film, all of the faults lie on him too. I've been saying for months that big CGI fight fests just don't interest me as much as the character interaction and drama, and that the flaws of SR had nothing to do with lack of fights (it was all to do with the poor character work). Yet I was berated for bring this up and every poster jumped on me 'We want fight scenes, don't watch it if you don't want that.' I want our big superpowered fight scenes too. But we already know just by Snyder's body of work that we were going to get that and it would be amazing. But that can't be the bulk of your movie.
What are the parts of the TDK trilogy I watch again and again. The Batman-Joker interrogation scene. The climb out of the pit. These are the moments that make a great film.
You do know that Avengers is like the second highest rated cbm there is right? Post release is no time to be talking about what "worked" with the GA or not and pent up "I told you so". Meh, use this time for all it's worth I say, next week it might not be the same vibe.
But on this issue.
As much as we want to belittle action, it's not the boogyman. Apply this same line of thinking to Fast and Furious, a big fat strong summer hit. But oh no, Superman needs to be about this that and the other thing otherwise it fails..."Rotten". Not buying it. Among Returns many many problems, it was just about the only contemporary superhero film I can think of in which a character known for being a man of action(or otherwise) didn't throw a single punch. Imagine they tried that with spiderman, captain america.....Not a fan how people are using the early opinions on a film to try and prim up their old arguments. The only other film of this sort I can think of was STM, but like many people like to say when defending that films flaws, it was made for a different time. And Returns did nothing but prove that imo.
If we must get empirical, hows about we simply see how MoS' box office stands up about Superman Return's BO. Numbers don't equal quality as everyone like to say when it suits their purposes but to me they mean a boat load more about works and doesn't than an opinion pool that equates to not even a fraction of the intended audience. Hey, it's very possible that SR can out perform MoS. I'm just saying that would seem like a better way to go about addressing particular concerns. Not 60 or what not critics think the movie could have been better....
I've been lurking around here for a few months and I have to say it's been a lot of fun... Minus the past couple of days but whatever. I am SO READY to see Superman on the silver screen again. I haven't been this pumped for a film since TDK, probably more so. I'll be at the midnight screening in a real IMAX theater tonight, sporting the S under a shirt and tie. Gotta represent!
I just hate the impact of RT and Metacritc on the GA. I have a bunch of friends who have already said " the reviews aren't good" or "Cavill is not getting good reviews." Some of it is crap as they are simply looking at the score as opposed to reading a review that may be Rotten but not exactly bad.
At least it's breaking records in the Philippines.
The BO of MoS will tell me how much the public likes it. A 90% rating wouldnt mean much if it only made 400 mill total.
Also, a 50 rating wont matter if MoS makes 700 mill +.
We all want the critics to like it, but thats not gonna happen.
Yes, just like how we all were saying how all the credit must go for Snyder for this film, all of the faults lie on him too. I've been saying for months that big CGI fight fests just don't interest me as much as the character interaction and drama, and that the flaws of SR had nothing to do with lack of fights (it was all to do with the poor character work). Yet I was berated for bring this up and every poster jumped on me 'We want fight scenes, don't watch it if you don't want that.' I want our big superpowered fight scenes too. But we already know just by Snyder's body of work that we were going to get that and it would be amazing. But that can't be the bulk of your movie.
What are the parts of the TDK trilogy I watch again and again. The Batman-Joker interrogation scene. The climb out of the pit. These are the moments that make a great film.
I agree. There needs to be a build up of character so the action makes sense and can be enjoyed.
Avengers was so well received in great part due to Downey jr. I think. His Ironman was the big draw, at least for me, second was a decent Hulk (finally) . There are A LOT of flaws in that film and "really" moments, but the funny, witty, action packed moments, over ride the bad and shift the balance far enough to the good side to have the public remember they had fun and enjoyed it. It's only when we "think about it" (and all films and things for that matter) that we get critical.
Most people (me included) will sit through an OK film to get to the "good parts" The gooey neuguty center if you will.
If the die hard fans on here that have seen it all ready really like or love it, I think the GA will eat it up. Screw the critics. Some of the reviews I've read are just atrocious. Like others have said it seems critics are going in wanting it to be one thing and since it's not what they expected they give it a bad review. It's just so weird to me that the things the negative reviews are saying is bad are all praised in the positive reviews.
The BO of MoS will tell me how much the public likes it. A 90% rating wouldnt mean much if it only made 400 mill total.
Also, a 50 rating wont matter if MoS makes 700 mill +.
We all want the critics to like it, but thats not gonna happen.
If the die hard fans on here that have seen it all ready really like or love it, I think the GA will eat it up. Screw the critics. Some of the reviews I've read are just atrocious. Like others have said it seems critics are going in wanting it to be one thing and since it's not what they expected they give it a bad review. It's just so weird to me that the things the negative reviews are saying is bad are all praised in the positive reviews.
Like I posted in another thread. I went in to watch it yesterday completely disappointed seeing the reviews. I could not believe they had screwed it up again.
After watching the movie, I am seriously wondering which movie did the critics actually watch. It sure as hell wasn't the one I watched and thoroughly enjoyed yesterday.
You do know that Avengers is like the second highest rated cbm there is right? Post release is no time to be talking about what "worked" with the GA or not and pent up "I told you so". Meh, use this time for all it's worth I say, next week it might not be the same vibe.
But on this issue.
As much as we want to belittle action, it's not the boogyman. Apply this same line of thinking to Fast and Furious, a big fat strong summer hit. But oh no, Superman needs to be about this that and the other thing otherwise it fails..."Rotten". Not buying it. Among Returns many many problems, it was just about the only contemporary superhero film I can think of in which a character known for being a man of action(or otherwise) didn't throw a single punch. Imagine they tried that with spiderman, captain america.....Not a fan how people are using the early opinions on a film to try and prim up their old arguments. The only other film of this sort I can think of was STM, but like many people like to say when defending that films flaws, it was made for a different time. And Returns did nothing but prove that imo.
If we must get empirical, hows about we simply see how MoS' box office stands up about Superman Return's BO. Numbers don't equal quality as everyone like to say when it suits their purposes but to me they mean a boat load more about works and doesn't than an opinion pool that equates to not even a fraction of the intended audience. Hey, it's very possible that SR can out perform MoS. I'm just saying that would seem like a better way to go about addressing particular concerns. Not 60 or what not critics think the movie could have been better....
There's no 'I told you so'. I've been impossibly hyped for this film. It's just the critics consensus is that just like Snyder's other films, style over substance, spending too much on CGI fighting. I know the 'who cares what the critics think', 'judge it for yourself', 'wait for the GA to judge'. The truth is if half the critics agree on this. The GA flock to the F&F, Twilight and Transformers movies. It says nothing of the quality of those films.
My argument has always simply been this. Great Superman stories don't always have him punching somebody. S:TM, For All Seasons, Peace on Earth. Superman is to me more about rescuing people than smashing someone's face in. I still love a good fight. But the emotional core is the most important thing to any film first.
Exactly fake! That's what every one on here is saying! And we are the ones that would be most critical if it was a poor film! I can't wait...about 8 more hours for me!
If the die hard fans on here that have seen it all ready really like or love it, I think the GA will eat it up. Screw the critics. Some of the reviews I've read are just atrocious. Like others have said it seems critics are going in wanting it to be one thing and since it's not what they expected they give it a bad review. It's just so weird to me that the things the negative reviews are saying is bad are all praised in the positive reviews.
People see things in different ways. Just look at the TF movies. The people that like them most likely do so because of the action, while people that don't like them probably think the action is shallow and pointless.
Qualities in movies aren't objective facts, it's opinion and those vary from individual to individual (and even with an individual over time and experience). It's really nothing to be surprised about.
I also think the die hard fans are the easiest to please. Those are the ones that want it to be good the most. That can of course change with big deviations from the originals though.
is'nt the point of the scene to show that Johnathan does'nt want clark exposed much like that "maybe" line from the trailer he would rather die than let clark be exposed in fear what the people would do to him like that line "My father believed if the world found out who I really was, they'd reject me out of fear"
it's not just a scene for clark to just stand and what pa kent die lol
Yeah I get that, I think it's a beautiful parallel with what Jonathan said earlier
"what was I supposed to do? let them die? - Maybe"
My problem comes with ...
...WHAT leads to his death and how they filmed it, it's the execution, he wasn't saving people, he went back to
save the freaking dog! a dog Martha was petting 20 seconds before everybody suddenly forgets in the car ,
come on, and it wasn't like Clark couldn't have gone back, he wasn't doing anything!.
And the editing makes it look like Clark is standing very close from the scene. Like 20 steps away from Jonathan.
WHy they chose to film it like that I have NO IDEA. Was it so hard to make it more heroic? there was a child there, why didn't they make Jonathan go back for a family, for that kid, I don't know. It felt so silly, someone shouted 'this is ridiculous'.
I really liked the idea of Jonathan dying because of a natural disaster. I liked the idea of Clark not being able to do anything to prevent it, but once I saw how they did it, I was left very disappointed, but this is how I saw things, this is my opinion, others thought it was a very emotional scene. I'm glad they did. I wish I could have I'm jealous.
I'm gonna watch the movie again today, I'll see if I can get over my initial shock and enjoy the emotional impact of this scene.
Regarding why Avengers was such a critical darling and box office success. I think all credit goes to how adeptly Marvel built to it with the solo films, which automatically provided depth to the Avengers by having all the characters already fleshed out and understood. This just allowed for them to have a baggage free tight fun action film. The film was marketed as such as this. And it's exactly what it was.
In many ways the tone of MOS is deceiving. It portrays a very earthly realistic tone, but by the end of the film it's a full CGI smashfest. I think this makes it polarizing to critics (Watchmen suffered from this too). I do agree that the hightened expectations created by the impeccable marketing have hindered this film to critics expecting it to be something more than just another Avengers.
There's no 'I told you so'. I've been impossibly hyped for this film. It's just the critics consensus is that just like Snyder's other films, style over substance, spending too much on CGI fighting. I know the 'who cares what the critics think', 'judge it for yourself', 'wait for the GA to judge'. The truth is if half the critics agree on this. The GA flock to the F&F, Twilight and Transformers movies. It says nothing of the quality of those films.
My argument has always simply been this. Great Superman stories don't always have him punching somebody. S:TM, For All Seasons, Peace on Earth. Superman is to me more about rescuing people than smashing someone's face in. I still love a good fight. But the emotional core is the most important thing to any film first.
It's a difficult point to prove. As celebrated as all those pieces you mentioned are, they are also often celebrated in the way Donner's movie is. For example does the average young adult walk into the comic book shop, see Peace on Earth, All Star, Birthright, Red Sun, Earth One, Whatever Happened to.... and choose peace on earth more times than not.
We and critics are highly opinionated people, when it comes to giving opinions on something, this group will always take the time to impose what they would have done. The GA is such a different animal.
Just sucks that all this talk of raw development is happening with this film but not the likes of Fast and Furious. And I'm straight up talking about critics right now. Just seems like hypocrisy. And not of the Transformers type either.
People see things in different ways. Just look at the TF movies. The people that like them most likely do so because of the action, while people that don't like them probably think the action is shallow and pointless.
Qualities in movies aren't objective facts, it's opinion and those vary from individual to individual (and even with an individual over time and experience). It's really nothing to be surprised about.
I also think the die hard fans are the easiest to please. Those are the ones that want it to be good the most. That can of course change with big deviations from the originals though.
It's a difficult point to prove. As celebrated as all those pieces you mentioned are, they are also often celebrated in the way Donner's movie is. For example does the average young adult walk into the comic book shop, see Peace on Earth, All Star, Birthright, Red Sun, Earth One, Whatever Happened to.... and choose peace on earth more times than not.
We and critics are highly opinionated people, when it comes to giving opinions on something, this group will always take the time to impose what they would have done. The GA is such a different animal.
Just sucks that all this talk of raw development is happening with this film but not the likes of Fast and Furious. And I'm straight up talking about critics right now. Just seems like hypocrisy. And not of the Transformers type either.
Agreed. It's a double-standard that they rate on a different curve for more overt mindless action movies. But like you say the marketing for MOS may have been what harmed it regarding this.
My argument has always simply been this. Great Superman stories don't always have him punching somebody. S:TM, For All Seasons, Peace on Earth. Superman is to me more about rescuing people than smashing someone's face in. I still love a good fight. But the emotional core is the most important thing to any film first.
great stuff! Glad there were water works, I want to be reduced to a blubbering wreck by parts of this film, my friends know I love this character so they won't rip me too hard
I'm surprised nobody mentions IMDB ratings. It's filled with youngsters that give 1's and 10's, but there are enough mature reviewers to help balance out. IMDB has been a decent enough measure of what the public thinks rating-wise.
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