All Things Superman: An Open Discussion (Spoilers) - - - - - - - - - - - Part 91

[Marvin]

Even worse, I've read several reviews that said Superman caused all the carnage. A few blocks gets leveled in Man of Steel and we're suppose to be horrified, but when entire continents and cities slide into the sea in 2012 we're suppose to chew popcorn with a smile on our face.

I suppose people just don't think that sort of scale of damage doesn't belong in a superman film(though it was in the Originals too, only superman could reverse time). What ended up bothering me with the complaints were that some people wanted to act offended at the lives lost as if Snyder was some sort of careless sadist or something. I mean that Red Letter Media one for example...

Whats worse is the damage in the Avengers gets overlooked because theres a few scenes showing the heroes helping a couple dozen civilians. Considering the Damage in the Avengers was much worse then the Japanese Tsunami which claimed the lives of tens of thousands, helping a couple dozen people doesnt give you an excuse to celebrate right after the fact.

Yes the effort in that one sequence by that one character in avengers really did seem to offset some outrage, though considering the lack of preconceptions about those characters I doubt they even needed that scene and would have still avoided the backlash.

I am curious how many people ended up dying in that film(not including the invasion fleet), as many have pointed out, there is a 911 like memorial on the news reel at the end there. Not sure what the heroes think about it all but I know the producers cared enough.

That's neither here nor there, I just wanted to make note of the fact that Metropolis seems to be a pretty huge city and a block of buildings isn't as bad as some people are making it out to be. I mean has anyone seen the ending to "Knowing"? yikes.

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Then again, Krypton did get wiped out, well so did Vulcan...

 

[John-An]

HEY GUYS..... DON'T KNOW IF THIS WAS POSTED BEFORE BUT IT'S A NEW FEATURETTE (4 MINS) that shows cool fottage and snyder quotes....
[YT]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-V_YMkK5fmk[/YT]

 

[bluearth]

Was the destruction in Man of Steel a little out of character? Personally it didnt bother me. Every second that went by more damage was being dealt so it really added to the tention. It wasnt as if Zod had dropped a bomb on the city and that was it. Things were getting worse and worse. As you mention previous Superman films had a plot where the villain planned ultra mass death and destruction. In Superman Returns before the plan can really get off the ground its neutralized so the threat level to people really isnt there. The worst that happens is some windows break out and some gas lines break.

I think the biggest gripe with the Man of Steel destruction is subconsciously many people got upset that so many could die on Superman's watch. This is a post 9-11 conspiracy theory world, where people are unable to stomach the fact that sometimes bad things happen despite many sincere efforts to stop them. Its similar to feeling guilt over over a personal tragedy - "I should have did this or that different, and I could have stopped it." Thats where you get the people talking about how Superman should have took the fight away from Metropolis, or should have found another way to stop Zod, etc etc, because to them theres always a way to avoid a tragic outcome when sometimes circumstances are just the way they are.

I just dont get how there was the pointless and totally unnecessary

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Starship crash into skyscrapers

in Star Trek Into Darkness but nothing was said about that. To me that was just as jarring as the World Engine. Theres a scene at the end of GI Joe Retaliation which is the most pointless 'disaster porn' (if thats what they're calling it ) I've ever seen.

 

[Marvin]

HEY GUYS..... DON'T KNOW IF THIS WAS POSTED BEFORE BUT IT'S A NEW FEATURETTE (4 MINS) that shows cool fottage and snyder quotes....
[YT]-V_YMkK5fmk[/YT]

Fixed

@4:50 there is a 1 second glimpse of something pretty neat.
cutting room floor stuff

 

[J.Howlett]

The online film community response to Pacific Rim is baffling in comparison to Man of Steel. Truly baffling.

Just returned from it with my 5 year-old who drank in every last image but Del Toro gets a pass for remaking Independence Day?

 

[HighFivingMF]

The online film community response to Pacific Rim is baffling in comparison to Man of Steel. Truly baffling.

Just returned from it with my 5 year-old who drank in every last image but Del Toro gets a pass for remaking Independence Day?

I haven't seen Pacific Rim yet but... What?

 

[J.Howlett]

I haven't seen Pacific Rim yet but... What?

The movie just sits there. Nothing. Dramatically inert. No real character to latch onto. Dialogue that's completely and utterly cliched from a dozen other military type/heroism films we've seen.

It's just...whatever. It felt a lot like the cliched problem I had with Cameron's Avatar. Just eye rolling a lot of the time. And yet, people are just lapping this thing up. Calling it a game changer. WHAT?!

 

[Smallville13]

Fixed

@4:50 there is a 1 second glimpse of something pretty neat.
cutting room floor stuff

4:50? The vid is only 4:24...

 

[bluearth]

The online film community response to Pacific Rim is baffling in comparison to Man of Steel. Truly baffling.

Just returned from it with my 5 year-old who drank in every last image but Del Toro gets a pass for remaking Independence Day?

I havent seen it, but from the reviews I read it appears to go out of its way to please the audience.

Man of Steel could have easily gotten a better response from critics and fans alike if it had more 'humor', scenes of Superman having 'fun' with his powers, as well as a cliche scene where Superman is thought to be dead when we all know he isn't to artificially add 'heart'. And more romance.

Or scrap all that and copy the Donner films, and thats an instant 70%+ RT score even with the blacklisted Zach Snyder as director

Man of Steel was just too different for most people. They're so use to cliches they just eat up films like Pacific Rim which are apparently stacked with them

 

[John-An]

Fixed

@4:50 there is a 1 second glimpse of something pretty neat.
cutting room floor stuff

where?

 

[The Shape]

The movie just sits there. Nothing. Dramatically inert. No real character to latch onto. Dialogue that's completely and utterly cliched from a dozen other military type/heroism films we've seen.

It's just...whatever. It felt a lot like the cliched problem I had with Cameron's Avatar. Just eye rolling a lot of the time. And yet, people are just lapping this thing up. Calling it a game changer. WHAT?!

The appeal is called "insane robot/monster" action. I might lap it up myself when I get to see it.

 

[Marvin]

4:50? The vid is only 4:24...

where?

my bad
2:50

 

[Marvin]

The online film community response to Pacific Rim is baffling in comparison to Man of Steel. Truly baffling.

maybe it's the property damage.

 

[Mysteryman]

As in they liked the property damage in PR but were critical of it in MOS?
I guess Mech Machines gets a pass when they are defending against Kaiju.

 

[Scarecrow_King]

It's just because of the stigma of the Superman character. He's supposed to be more responsible than that.

 

[John-An]

my bad
2:50

that scene was in the movie...

 

[Wheels]

It's just because of the stigma of the Superman character. He's supposed to be more responsible than that.

The early Superman was pretty reckless.

 

[Isearch4dope]

The destruction in MOS was fine but it could have been handled better. With that said it seems this superman isnt at the point where he cares for every human being the way he cares for those closest to him. In the movie (imo) he's basicaly human although he is an alien but he has powers. For me he was on the right path up until his emotions caused him to become too reckless (crashing into smallville after the threatening of martha) which overshadowed most of his heroic acts. A few quick shots of him scanning (x-ray) damaged areas and showing a little remorse would have went a long way. I also do believe that he should have atleast attempted to get zod away from metropolis.

 

[John-An]

the destruction in mos was fine but it could have been handled better. With that said it seems this superman isnt at the point where he cares for every human being the way he cares for those closest to him. In the movie (imo) he's basicaly human although he is an alien but he has powers. For me he was on the right path up until his emotions caused him to become too reckless (crashing into smallville after the threatening of martha) which overshadowed most of his heroic acts. A few quick shots of him scanning (x-ray) damaged areas and showing a little remorse would have went a long way. I also do believe that he should have atleast attempted to get zod away from metropolis.

he´s not even superman yet... He has no experience in fighting and in casualties.. Do you think zod could've been easy to get away from metropolis? Do you think he can come back and kill people?

 

[Scarecrow_King]

edit. nevermind.

 

[manofsteel4life]

And he did try several times to get them out of smallville when he was fighting Faora and Namek....he kept flying up but they kept knocking him down....smh

 

[Marvin]

that scene was in the movie...

I assume that was before he punched him into the train yard...
I see now.
Talk about getting the fight out of the town

 

[Mysteryman]

It's just because of the stigma of the Superman character. He's supposed to be more responsible than that.

Zod caused most of The property damage during his fight with Superman.
Superman did what he could in terms of saving Lives .
You want a realistic battle with Kryptonians?
There you go .

 

[tomoe]

Just watched it a second time. The Superman Lois relationship flowed a bit better this time around, but I noticed the destruction much more. Good lord, they really needed to tone that down- after seeing the nth building topple all that destruction really loses its impact and meaning and it just becomes mindless and soulless. The movie still turned cold for me right at the tornado scene. It also felt more humorless this time around too. My overall rating of the movie hasn't changed. It's like first half: 8/10. Second half: 5/10. Too bad the second half is what's closest to my memory when I leave the theater.

 

[Isearch4dope]

he´s not even superman yet... He has no experience in fighting and in casualties.. Do you think zod could've been easy to get away from metropolis? Do you think he can come back and kill people?

It is clear he isnt superman yet and my post implies that. He's on the direct path to the superman we know until martha is threatened and real emotions get in the way which shows us how much he has to grow. He wasn't skilled in combat indeed which is why i think the kryptonians should have been much harder to beat although kal is stronger. To me it seemed that he mastered flying from the first flight. I rambled there but i'll agree he wasn't experienced but just a few seconds of shots showing concern for those in harms way would have gone a long way as i said before. He could have taunted an already ailing, enraged zod as a distraction while moving away from the city or just attempt to fly him away. It doesn't matter if he succeeded. All that matters is the attempt.