All Things Superman: An Open Discussion (Spoilers) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 94

[hopefuldreamer]

I just don't understand in MoS, why Clark couldn't save his father from a tornado. The majority of the people clearly aren't going to be looking at what he's doing, but sheltering themselves from the tornado. And even if they did see, they would question their own eye witness accounts based on the circumstances. In other parts of the movie, Clark clearly uses his superpowers in more overt ways where more people would witness what he was doing.

I agree with the scenario of Clark's father "sacrificing" himself to protect Clark, but I don't agree in the way which it was done in the movie.

 

[TeeKay]

um but you were the one who brought up the Avengers in talking about how the end was treated

It was for comparison, the Avengers and MOS both featured an alien invasion and destruction I brought up The avengers because it handled the aspects of showing the aftermath of an alien invasion whereas MOS failed to acknowledge that favouring a more "happy" ending.

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

Anyone else remember seeing set pictures with cop cars and signs all over saying (paraphrasing) "Rebuilding Metropolis for a Better Tomorrow?" Could have sworn I saw those around here.

 

[STARMAN]

None of these movies show the realistic consequences of all this destruction. Including Avengers.

 

[Herolee10]

I just think of it this way. I don’t seem to recall people having issues with how Batman was like literally smashing and crashing into several police cars, along with flipping them over when they were chasing him in “Batman Begins” due to the urgency in getting Rachel back to the cave in time. Why? Because Batman was still relatively new to the game.

The same leniency should really apply to Superman. I mean, he hadn’t been “Superman” (and in some ways, still really isn’t all the way there yet) for a long period, and he was already tackling global scale threats that he would have problems with even during his veteran years.

Regarding the fight in SV, granted, he could have perhaps done better in order to avoid the collateral damage that took place, when you think about how new he was to the scene along with how angry he must have been that Zod was attacking his mother, it’s kind of understandable. Plus, I don’t think that he was thinking about confronting the rest of the kryptonians there and by the time that they left with Zod, Faora and Nam-ek were already there ready to cause hell.

And if anyone caused unnecessary amounts of collateral damage, that would be the military.

 

[Tempest]

I just think of it this way. I don’t seem to recall people having issues with how Batman was like literally smashing and crashing into several police cars, along with flipping them over when they were chasing him in “Batman Begins” due to the urgency in getting Rachel back to the cave in time. Why? Because Batman was still relatively new to the game.

The same leniency should really apply to Superman. I mean, he hadn’t been “Superman” (and in some ways, still really isn’t all the way there yet) for a long period, and he was already tackling global scale threats that he would have problems with even during his veteran years.

Regarding the fight in SV, granted, he could have perhaps done better in order to avoid the collateral damage that took place, when you think about how new he was to the scene along with how angry he must have been that Zod was attacking his mother, it’s kind of understandable. Plus, I don’t think that he was thinking about confronting the rest of the kryptonians there and by the time that they left with Zod, Faora and Nam-ek were already there ready to cause hell.

And if anyone caused unnecessary amounts of collateral damage, that would be the military.

I went and saw the film again today (yes, that's so sad, isn't it?), and I have to say, seeing it on 2D actually helped me see just how inexperienced and sloppy Clark was in fighting the Kryptonians. He was clearly out-matched, and it was really just dumb luck that he won against Zod.

 

[Tra-El]

I went and saw the film again today (yes, that's so sad, isn't it?), and I have to say, seeing it on 2D actually helped me see just how inexperienced and sloppy Clark was in fighting the Kryptonians. He was clearly out-matched, and it was really just dumb luck that he won against Zod.

"You're weak, Kal-EL. Unsure of yourself...."

Clark's whole life, he was told to do nothing but hone his sense's and blend in to a society that he has severely passed by. He wasn't even allowed to defend himself and stand up to bullies and when he did show himself, it was saving others from death and/or destruction, not even any kinds of combat whatsoever.

Over night, literally, he's all of a sudden thrust into a world-changing event that immediately needs his assistance in not only war and combat, but combat against his own kind, who happen to come from a world that is not only highly advanced, but advanced as pre-conceived military warriors who were bred to fight and...ultimately....kill.

I'd say inexperienced is an understatement.

 

[John-An]

um but you were the one who brought up the Avengers in talking about how the end was treated

Good point

 

[John-An]

I just think of it this way. I don’t seem to recall people having issues with how Batman was like literally smashing and crashing into several police cars, along with flipping them over when they were chasing him in “Batman Begins” due to the urgency in getting Rachel back to the cave in time. Why? Because Batman was still relatively new to the game.

The same leniency should really apply to Superman. I mean, he hadn’t been “Superman” (and in some ways, still really isn’t all the way there yet) for a long period, and he was already tackling global scale threats that he would have problems with even during his veteran years.

Regarding the fight in SV, granted, he could have perhaps done better in order to avoid the collateral damage that took place, when you think about how new he was to the scene along with how angry he must have been that Zod was attacking his mother, it’s kind of understandable. Plus, I don’t think that he was thinking about confronting the rest of the kryptonians there and by the time that they left with Zod, Faora and Nam-ek were already there ready to cause hell.

And if anyone caused unnecessary amounts of collateral damage, that would be the military.

 

[Tempest]

"You're weak, Kal-EL. Unsure of yourself...."

Clark's whole life, he was told to do nothing but hone his sense's and blend in to a society that he has severely passed by. He wasn't even allowed to defend himself and stand up to bullies and when he did show himself, it was saving others from death and/or destruction, not even any kinds of combat whatsoever.

Over night, literally, he's all of a sudden thrust into a world-changing event that immediately needs his assistance in not only war and combat, but combat against his own kind, who happen to come from a world that is not only highly advanced, but advanced as pre-conceived military warriors who were bred to fight and...ultimately....kill.

I'd say inexperienced is an understatement.

Like I said, dumb luck that he won against Zod. And he wouldn't have had a chance in Smallville without the military being able to stun Faora.

 

[Herolee10]

I just think that Superman is unfortunately one of those characters that people have such high expectations of and would cry foul at things that they’d normally be okay with seeing other characters do.

I’m not saying that “Man of Steel” was perfect, but I still don’t understand the level of hate that it gets from some fans, especially the destruction that was caused in the film when it happens all the times in the comic books.

I think someone worded it best in a post that I saw long ago on this forum regarding the destruction in the film. The only reason why the destruction in this film bothered some as much as it did, unlike the one seen in the likes of “The Avengers”, was that it felt more “real” and “threatening” in “Man of Steel”. Snyder didn’t treat the sequence as a fun adventure, one where the scene feels upbeat as we see the Hero taking on the villain. Snyder actually showed people dying like they were going to in a situation like that.

 

[John-An]

You know, on the Marvel threads I've been on, no one blasts DC. They have their opinions about the movies themselves, but they don't take cheap shots at the creators.

I just don't understand in MoS, why Clark couldn't save his father from a tornado. The majority of the people clearly aren't going to be looking at what he's doing, but sheltering themselves from the tornado. And even if they did see, they would question their own eye witness accounts based on the circumstances. In other parts of the movie, Clark clearly uses his superpowers in more overt ways where more people would witness what he was doing.

I agree with the scenario of Clark's father "sacrificing" himself to protect Clark, but I don't agree in the way which it was done in the movie.

TOTALLY RESPECT YOUR OPINION.. BUT FOR ME;
they were looking to pa kent, their looks were into them.. there was no possible way that at least 50% of people will se clark using his powers you know at which speed the tornado goes? pretty fast no way he could save his dad without using his powers the tornado will suckle then and that will show Superman´s powers to all the people.. if the tornado won't suckle them or if they survived which is totally impossible, that will show Clark´s powers and all the sacrifices from Pa and Ma kent would be nothing.... then questions will be around the town, lifes like ma kent will be in danger and as a consequence won't change.The thing is, they don't know what the government knows. For all they know, the government has known about aliens, and how to deal with them.
Plus there was a risk to Martha and Jonathan. Clark couldn't be hurt, but his parents could. Even if the US government didn't do anything to Clark, there's no way of knowing how other countries would react. They could be kidnapped, killed, or harmed, and Clark would never been able to tolerate that.
Well I guess taking care for his mother and holding her to not go to the tornado... IMO Clark didn´t know what to do... in many dangerous situations most of the people and especially teenagers keep freeze and don't know what to do... eventhought Clark wanted to save his dad but he understood that like his dad told him there is too much in risk, his mom and the planet innocent people at future threats... that's why he said the world wasn´t ready not that the world will never be ready... He saw the hero inside Clark but he always guided him (to not go for the wrong way) to think thing and it's consequences... that´s what some people don't understand...
And to use his powers in that moment the military is one of the few problems... but what about using his parents to make him work for bad guys or to make him do what they want? their lives would be changed badly forever...THAT´s WAS PA´KENT FEAR not just he will be mad... all his sacrifices would mean nothing and as a consequence HE won't become Superman.
Plus, what if Clark escaped from being captured? What then? He goes into hiding for the rest of his life, unable to make the difference he needs to. That's if he's lucky. If he's unlucky, he would be hunted. Where would he go to get peace? What would he have to do to get the US off his back?
Plus Clark was only 17 or 18 at that point in the film. Can you imagine placing that kind of burden on someone that age? His dad knew that the world and that even Clark were not ready for his presence to be revealed. I liked the way they handle showing the sacrifice from Pa kent in a more realistic way to make him become a force for good was great.

 

[Tempest]

I just think that Superman is unfortunately one of those characters that people have such high expectations of and would cry foul at things that they’d normally be okay with seeing other characters do.

I’m not saying that “Man of Steel” was perfect, but I still don’t understand the level of hate that it gets from some fans, especially the destruction that was caused in the film when it happens all the times in the comic books.

I think someone worded it best in a post that I saw long ago on this forum regarding the destruction in the film. The only reason why the destruction in this film bothered some as much as it did, unlike the one seen in the likes of “The Avengers”, was that it felt more “real” and “threatening” in “Man of Steel”. Snyder didn’t treat the sequence as a fun adventure, one where the scene feels upbeat as we see the Hero taking on the villain. Snyder actually showed people dying like they were going to in a situation like that.

That's my thought too. The destruction is pretty gut-wrenching. My friend who saw the film for the first time today was certain that Jenny was going to die.

I really loved that they were brave enough to have Superman actually be a sloppy fighter. It was so interesting to see the contrast between his fighting style (as in he literally has none), and seeing how fluid the others were in comparison.

 

[John-An]

None of these movies show the realistic consequences of all this destruction. Including Avengers.

 

[John-An]

I just think that Superman is unfortunately one of those characters that people have such high expectations of and would cry foul at things that they’d normally be okay with seeing other characters do.

I’m not saying that “Man of Steel” was perfect, but I still don’t understand the level of hate that it gets from some fans, especially the destruction that was caused in the film when it happens all the times in the comic books.

I think someone worded it best in a post that I saw long ago on this forum regarding the destruction in the film. The only reason why the destruction in this film bothered some as much as it did, unlike the one seen in the likes of “The Avengers”, was that it felt more “real” and “threatening” in “Man of Steel”. Snyder didn’t treat the sequence as a fun adventure, one where the scene feels upbeat as we see the Hero taking on the villain. Snyder actually showed people dying like they were going to in a situation like that.

was that it felt more “real” and “threatening” in “Man of Steel”. Snyder didn’t treat the sequence as a fun adventure, one where the scene feels upbeat as we see the Hero taking on the villain. Snyder actually showed people dying like they were going to in a situation like that.

I think that too... Totally agreed

 

[John-An]

That's my thought too. The destruction is pretty gut-wrenching. My friend who saw the film for the first time today was certain that Jenny was going to die.

I really loved that they were brave enough to have Superman actually be a sloppy fighter. It was so interesting to see the contrast between his fighting style (as in he literally has none), and seeing how fluid the others were in comparison.

That's something MOS give us as new... I appreciate Snyder did that ... not to have the superheroes to born fighting like ninjas...

 

[manofsteel4life]

Anyone else remember seeing set pictures with cop cars and signs all over saying (paraphrasing) "Rebuilding Metropolis for a Better Tomorrow?" Could have sworn I saw those around here.

Yea I remember that

 

[flickchick85]

Anyone else remember seeing set pictures with cop cars and signs all over saying (paraphrasing) "Rebuilding Metropolis for a Better Tomorrow?" Could have sworn I saw those around here.

Oh wow, good memory. I had totally forgotten about that. Is it too much to hope that it might be from a deleted scene that could land on the blu-ray?

 

[John-An]

eh yes he did, Zod grabbed Kal's cape and threw him into 2 buildings then tackled him and flew straight-upwards with him. When Supes threw him at the satelite, they were already in space

You can't say that Zod was tackling him through the space... cus they didn't show that.. so we can assume that if Superman threw him at the satelitle he already free himself from zod and then Supes was the one that tackle Zod throught space

 

[Tempest]

This time around I noticed more how the phantom zone affected Clark when he saved Lois, and afterwards, when they're on the ground, I suddenly realized that Clark and Lois were practically holding each other up. They actually looked and sounded as if they were shaking. Which, considering what they had just been through, is not all that shocking.

 

[Herolee10]

This time around I noticed more how the phantom zone affected Clark when he saved Lois, and afterwards, when they're on the ground, I suddenly realized that Clark and Lois were practically holding each other up. They actually looked and sounded as if they were shaking. Which, considering what they had just been through, is not all that shocking.

Which is why their kiss at the end of the ordeal felt natural to me.

 

[Tempest]

Which is why their kiss at the end of the ordeal felt natural to me.

Yes, it totally did. On a shallow note, it was totally hot. They both look like good kissers. If I got the opportunity to kiss either of them, I'd totally take it.

 

[John-An]

This time around I noticed more how the phantom zone affected Clark when he saved Lois, and afterwards, when they're on the ground, I suddenly realized that Clark and Lois were practically holding each other up. They actually looked and sounded as if they were shaking. Which, considering what they had just been through, is not all that shocking.

I didn't notice that was for that so... good thought...

 

[John-An]

Yes, it totally did. On a shallow note, it was totally hot. They both look like good kissers. If I got the opportunity to kiss either of them, I'd totally take it.

For me is the best kiss in the cmb movies...

 

[tomoe]

I just think of it this way. I don’t seem to recall people having issues with how Batman was like literally smashing and crashing into several police cars, along with flipping them over when they were chasing him in “Batman Begins” due to the urgency in getting Rachel back to the cave in time. Why? Because Batman was still relatively new to the game.

The same leniency should really apply to Superman. I mean, he hadn’t been “Superman” (and in some ways, still really isn’t all the way there yet) for a long period, and he was already tackling global scale threats that he would have problems with even during his veteran years.

Regarding the fight in SV, granted, he could have perhaps done better in order to avoid the collateral damage that took place, when you think about how new he was to the scene along with how angry he must have been that Zod was attacking his mother, it’s kind of understandable. Plus, I don’t think that he was thinking about confronting the rest of the kryptonians there and by the time that they left with Zod, Faora and Nam-ek were already there ready to cause hell.

And if anyone caused unnecessary amounts of collateral damage, that would be the military.

It's understandable that Clark would be inexperienced and clumsy when fighting, but I really think him recklessly tackling Zod into downtown Smallville, going through a silo, exploding a gas station, etc, had a LOT more to do with the filmmakers thinking it looked 'cool' and 'awesome' and made Superman look 'bad@$$' rather than them thinking about Clark's inexperience. They could have easily still ended up in Smalliville without it being Clark's fault. Just have Zod suddenly gain the upper hand in the cornfield and throw Clark through the silo and into the gas station. Perhaps after Clark hesitated after seeing where they were headed. Then it would be Zod's fault. And would also show Clark's inexperience in fighting. A lot of the movie was like this to me. Let's make it look cool but not think about much else.