All Things Superman: An Open Discussion (Spoilers) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 94

[Tempest]

We did, didn't we. Until the next contentious scene comes up for discussion I guess

Well here's one that some people seem to have issues with: Lois Lane knowing Superman's identity. And there's the potential for Perry, maybe even Jenny and Lombard of figuring it out. It's almost a certainty that Pete Ross figured it out, seeing as he came face-to-face with Clark in the IHOP. It's possible, even probable, that the military have a vague idea of who he is.

Any opinions regarding that?

How important was it for Superman's secret to be so secret? Do you think it will have a negative or positive impact on his story going forward?

 

[PacificBoy]

Well here's one that some people seem to have issues with: Lois Lane knowing Superman's identity. And there's the potential for Perry, maybe even Jenny and Lombard of figuring it out. It's almost a certainty that Pete Ross figured it out, seeing as he came face-to-face with Clark in the IHOP. It's possible, even probable, that the military have a vague idea of who he is.

Any opinions regarding that?

How important was it for Superman's secret to be so secret? Do you think it will have a negative or positive impact on his story going forward?

Lois knowing Superman's identity is possibly the best risk taken. It adds a fresh dynamic to the Clark-Lois story while forgoing the need to either dumb Lois down or invent some plodding plot device to maintain the guise. Not sure I want the likes of Jenny (or Jimmy) and Lombard knowing. Clark the mild-mannered reporter interacting with them should provide the lighter moments. Perry I don't mind. Laurence Fishburne's portrayal gives me the impression his shoulders are broad enough to handle the truth.

However, I think the movie overexposes Clark. With all the clues dropped, it wouldn't be difficult for someone driven to discover who Superman is, and how central Lois and Smallville is to the discovery. Realistically, in the wake of this very public first contact and a brush with an extinction-level event, EVERYONE on the planet wants to know all there's to know about Superman. Any kind of organized group -- religious bodies, science councils, military, intelligence communities, secret societies -- will want to know.

I can't help but see Lois and the people of Smallville being put in jeopardy whenever an archvillain comes along. If Lois could ferret out Clark's background, pre-Kryptonian invasion, someone like Lex most definitely can with the resources at his disposal.

 

[John-An]

Agree, it was a difficult situation, and Clark freezing and hesitating is very believable. But the Clark we know always ends up saving people. It's what he does, unflinchingly.

This is the same Clark who after lifting the bus out of the river, goes back for Pete Ross. The same Clark who exposed his identity at the oil rig to save every single last oil rigger.

but as you can see the clark that saved people from the bus was before the conversation with Pa kent, and in the oil rig was after the tornado incident...
but don't worry the Clark we all know will be there for us but now as Superman, more established hero with more experience on MOS 2

 

[Tempest]

Lois knowing Superman's identity is possibly the best risk taken. It adds a fresh dynamic to the Clark-Lois story while forgoing the need to either dumb Lois down or invent some plodding plot device to maintain the guise. Not sure I want the likes of Jenny (or Jimmy) and Lombard knowing. Clark the mild-mannered reporter interacting with them should provide the lighter moments. Perry I don't mind. Laurence Fishburne's portrayal gives me the impression his shoulders are broad enough to handle the truth.

This is one of my favorite aspects of the film. I think it's a nice change to have Lois know right away who Clark is...and that she discovered it on her own. I especially appreciate it, because as I've said before, it shows us how much she cares for Clark as a whole, not just certain aspects of him.

However, I think the movie overexposes Clark. With all the clues dropped, it wouldn't be difficult for someone driven to discover who Superman is, and how central Lois and Smallville is to the discovery. Realistically, in the wake of this very public first contact and a brush with an extinction-level event, EVERYONE on the planet wants to know all there's to know about Superman. Any kind of organized group -- religious bodies, science councils, military, intelligence communities, secret societies -- will want to know.

On this I agree with you. Unless the writers -- and Clark -- are less obsessed now with the whole secret identity issue. And let's face it, since Superman doesn't wear a mask, in today's society, it will be more and more difficult for him to remain anonymous.

I think it would be interesting to see if Luthor or Batman tries to approach any of these people to get info, only to get shut down. A group of people who are protective of Clark's identity might also be a refreshing change from all the silliness we sometimes see in the comics. It's been 75 years; perhaps it is time for something different.

I can't help but see Lois and the people of Smallville being put in jeopardy whenever an archvillain comes along. If Lois could ferret out Clark's background, pre-Kryptonian invasion, someone like Lex most definitely can with the resources at his disposal.

Well, Lois being in peril because of her connection to Superman is nothing new, right? The only major difference is that Smallville could be a target...but the bad guy would have to be pretty desperate or powerful to be able to threaten the entire town.

More likely, Metropolis will be the center of more destruction, since that is where Superman is going to be seen.

I wonder how long it will take Bruce and/or Lex to discover Superman's identity. I'm hoping that Lois figures out who Batman is. I think Superman could figure it out on his own, but having Lois give him the suggestion first would be fun.

 

[Binker]

Lois knowing Superman was Clark was the most important, great thing they did. There was nothing wrong with it; why is there?!

All of these things are just nitpicks, or worse yet, not problematic at all. Can I bring something to the table that I had issues with, that are actual issues and not nitpick or whatever you wanna call those?

 

[Tempest]

Lois knowing Superman was Clark was the most important, great thing they did. There was nothing wrong with it; why is there?!

All of these things are just nitpicks, or worse yet, not problematic at all. Can I bring something to the table that I had issues with, that are actual issues and not nitpick or whatever you wanna call those?

Well, yeah. It IS a forum. Talk away.

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

The 4 hour Man of Steel Movie Moan discussion is up.

 

[JOlsen]

Movie Moan?

 

[Herolee10]

Honestly, for all of the flaws that "Man of Steel" has, I'm still very much grateful for it in the long run since unlike it's previous predecessors, this film actually utilized Superman's comic book mythology very well and was successful in giving us a more fleshed out Superman in the long run.

Man of Steel was the first time that people were able to see Superman actually throw a punch in a theatrical version of a film and it gave Krypton a much needed makeover since every live action version before it (TV and Films) have fallen back on using the general template that Donner used for his Krypton.

And I actually applaud Snyder and Company for having the guts to put Superman in a position that I've never seen any hero placed in a film before in the extent that they did regarding Zod's death and how we actually saw the hero regretting his decision, despite the fact that it was the only thing that he could have done at the time.

 

[Tempest]

Honestly, for all of the flaws that "Man of Steel" has, I'm still very much grateful for it in the long run since unlike it's previous predecessors, this film actually utilized Superman's comic book mythology very well and was successful in giving us a more fleshed out Superman in the long run.

Man of Steel was the first time that people were able to see Superman actually throw a punch in a theatrical version of a film and it gave Krypton a much needed makeover since every live action version before it (TV and Films) have fallen back on using the general template that Donner used for his Krypton.

And I actually applaud Snyder and Company for having the guts to put Superman in a position that I've never seen any hero placed in a film before in the extent that they did regarding Zod's death and how we actually saw the hero regretting his decision, despite the fact that it was the only thing that he could have done at the time.

This. There will never be a perfect film, but this was a pretty good try at Superman. I really like how we saw Clark struggling as a person, and how he ends up with one really good friend. I really loved Martha's role in the film.

Really, I liked more in the film than I disliked. I have a few quibbles, but over-all, I think this is the best live action film we've seen yet for Superman.

 

[sf2]

This. There will never be a perfect film, but this was a pretty good try at Superman. I really like how we saw Clark struggling as a person, and how he ends up with one really good friend. I really loved Martha's role in the film.

Really, I liked more in the film than I disliked. I have a few quibbles, but over-all, I think this is the best live action film we've seen yet for Superman.

I like all the female characters in the movie. They r all so awesome. And the story n scene of them r so good.

 

[Superman Earth1]

I loved Routh's comments on Man of Steel. He really is a truce class act. It is a shame we won't see him play Superman again unless they pull a Conan.

 

[Herolee10]

I kind of miss the days where most of us were on cloud 9 waiting for this film.lol

 

[HighFivingMF]

I loved Routh's comments on Man of Steel. He really is a truce class act. It is a shame we won't see him play Superman again unless they pull a Conan.

I'm sure he'll voice him in something.

 

[ЯɘvlveR]

I've got a question. thinking back on mos and i wondered about how kryptonians are powered. in that scene before kal

Spoiler

flies for the first time, he seems to kinda charged up just before he takes off. in his fight with zod, zod seems to shed his armor telekinetically, before they begin their all out slug fest. are the kryptonians powers telekinetically driven?

 

[LostSon88]

I don't think that was telekinesis. I think it was, similar to Clark when he took off where the gravity around him began to slow down.

 

[sf2]

Magic!!!

 

[Smashlilman]

I've got a question. thinking back on mos and i wondered about how kryptonians are powered. in that scene before kal

Spoiler

flies for the first time, he seems to kinda charged up just before he takes off. in his fight with zod, zod seems to shed his armor telekinetically, before they begin their all out slug fest. are the kryptonians powers telekinetically driven?

My guess is that they use there flight powers by shooting energy out of there pors. Then on top of that that same energy is used to cancel Gravity. So basically Zod used that energy to blow his Armor off and then when it fell to his feet it got Zero-G'ed by his flight powers.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

I kind of miss the days where most of us were on cloud 9 waiting for this film.lol

We'll always have the memories!

I am very thankful for the movie, if only for the fun I had with you guys waiting for it and guessing about it

 

[Binker]

I've got a question. thinking back on mos and i wondered about how kryptonians are powered. in that scene before kal

Spoiler

flies for the first time, he seems to kinda charged up just before he takes off. in his fight with zod, zod seems to shed his armor telekinetically, before they begin their all out slug fest. are the kryptonians powers telekinetically driven?

Well you also have to remember that Zod and the Kryptonians on his side were genetically engineered to be warriors: trained to master their senses. That is why Zod was able to harness his abilities under short of a day, whereas Clark took years to master and harness all the abilities that he had.

 

[TheIrishAvenger]

 

[georgec]

Now there's a steelbook.

 

[Tempest]

Well you also have to remember that Zod and the Kryptonians on his side were genetically engineered to be warriors: trained to master their senses. That is why Zod was able to harness his abilities under short of a day, whereas Clark took years to master and harness all the abilities that he had.

This discussion brings to mind how much I loved the scene where Clark walks out of the scout ship and into the sun, and he learns how to fly.

It's one of my absolute favorite moments of the film.

 

[ConnorKon-El]

I loved Routh's comments on Man of Steel. He really is a truce class act. It is a shame we won't see him play Superman again unless they pull a Conan.

He could always voice Sup in an animated incarnation.

 

[Nemeres]

Guys, Gwen Stefani's kid is a fan!

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