In my mind, if she's merely adequate I'll feel a bit disappointed. But that's because I really want Wonder Woman the character to be incredible. Tough job but I'm hoping Gadot can be more than just adequate.
I've been slightly disappointed by Henry Cavill in some way. Oddly, while I wasn't a massive fan of his characterisation, I thought Affleck's acting was great.
No but it definitely answers the question. If it doesnt matter whether CH can act his way out of a wet paper bag why should it matter if Gal can? (that is all hypothetical obviously)
I will admit I did have a problem with Gal's acting in BVS. I thought her battle cries were great and when she had to look fierce she did it pretty masterfully. she does wonderful face-acting in the heat of battle (it's not as easy as it looks).
However, when she was supposed to interface with Affleck and be on his level intellectually and cognitively while having a calculating, secret agent kind of vibe to her it felt really awkward and slightly embarrassing to watch. Like watching a regular girl who was just pretending to be some kind of seasoned, badass spy when she clearly wasn't.
That being said, this could still be salvaged pretty easily. Even after WW she still seems to be a character who retains a lot of her innocence and childlikeness so, within the canon, when she met Bruce, she actually could have been out of her element, pretending to be something of a sleuth when really she wasn't. This would make everything coalesce really well and vindicate what was perceived as a poor performance (to me at least)
They were created by the gods (Aphrodite, on Zeus' request, to be precise), being something of a bridge between gods and mankind, so the way I understood it, their knowledge of languages is intrinsic, due to the way they were created.
And I wouldn't be surprised if this was the angle they wanted to play from the start. The creative team working on the DCEU don't give me the impression that they're just winging it and flying by the seat of their pants. We saw a curator approach her in bvs and show her the sword of Alexander and now in Wonder Woman we're shown that she works at the Louvre so there is significant evidence that they make sure to implement cohesiveness even with small, missable details like Diana's profession.
I think if they successfully promulgate Diana's characterization as someone who is perpetually honest, pure and a child at heart then that will work wonders (pun intended) for the portrayal Gal brings to the table because, essentially, that's how she is in person. She won't need to step outside her comfort zone or show significant range. She can play to her strengths and give us a great Wonder Woman portrayal.
"In her training, Diana discovers that she is stronger than she knows, having unique abilities such as the power wave she can send by crossing her arms and superhuman strength and speed. She is more than just an Amazon."
If you don't care about spoilers, here is what I learned on the subject:
Diana believes she was merely created by Zeus as the rest of the Amazons (though, technically it was Aphrodite who created them), but in third act, Ares reveals that she was a result of love affair between Hippolyta and Zeus, a la New 52.
Anyway, yeah, her powers seem to come from Zeus, which is a pretty good explanation for something that was rarely ever explained in comics - Diana being stronger than other Amazons.
If you don't care about spoilers, here is what I learned on the subject:
Diana believes she was merely created by Zeus as the rest of the Amazons (though, technically it was Aphrodite who created them), but in third act, Ares reveals that she was a result of love affair between Hippolyta and Zeus, a la New 52.
Anyway, yeah, her powers seem to come from Zeus, which is a pretty good explanation for something that was rarely ever explained in comics - Diana being stronger than other Amazons.
I wonder about that... how wouldn't it be something that stands out a lot? her being stronger than the others? If she really is on the level of Superman, strength-wise
Diana believes she was merely created by Zeus as the rest of the Amazons (though, technically it was Aphrodite who created them), but in third act, Ares reveals that she was a result of love affair between Hippolyta and Zeus, a la New 52.
Anyway, yeah, her powers seem to come from Zeus, which is a pretty good explanation for something that was rarely ever explained in comics - Diana being stronger than other Amazons.
It was explained in the comics.
In the original creator run, Diana was just the best among relative equals. All Amazons could achieve power by Amazon training. Diana was just the best of all of them, thus, the Contest.
In later takes, the Olympian goddesses are shown gifting her with powers after her birth, like the Sleeping Beauty faeries scene, so that she can be much more powerful than other Amazons. Perez had Hermes join the goddesses to gift her speed and flight.
I wonder about that... how wouldn't it be something that stands out a lot? her being stronger than the others? If she really is on the level of Superman, strength-wise
most of her powers get "unlocked" outside of Themyscira, otherwise I don't see how Antiope would be able to train her and we saw two of them sparring in BTS pictures. On Themyscira she became best of Amazons, solely due to the training. I also think that most, if not all, of the Amazons know the truth about Diana, as her being the only Amazon that was created after so many time is something to be noticed. It's just that true nature of her being actual Zeus' offspring and not his creation like other Amazons, is being kept from Diana herself.
It was explained in the comics.
In the original creator run, Diana was just the best among relative equals. All Amazons could achieve power by Amazon training. Diana was just the best of all of them, thus, the Contest.
In later takes, the Olympian goddesses are shown gifting her with powers after her birth, like the Sleeping Beauty faeries scene, so that she can be much more powerful than other Amazons. Perez had Hermes join the goddesses to gift her speed and flight.
most of her powers get "unlocked" outside of Themyscira, otherwise I don't see how Antiope would be able to train her and we saw two of them sparring in BTS pictures. On Themyscira she became best of Amazons, solely due to the training. I also think that most, if not all, of the Amazons know the truth about Diana, as her being the only Amazon that was created after so many time is something to be noticed. It's just that true nature of her being actual Zeus' offspring and not his creation like other Amazons, is being kept from Diana herself.
Some writers I think have tried to propose that idea that she is without powers above other amazons while in the Island, as otherwise the Contest would be quite unfair. I think it was said that it was arranged by the Queen so she could have a normal childhood. However, in other stories we see Diana need to use powers in the island because of some threat. Post-crisis DC never really figured it out fully.
Pre-Crisis all Amazons were super-powered and Diana was just the best among them.
(Spoilers for Comic stories, not the movie):
There is a memorable Teen Titans story where the Titans of Myth are freed from Tartarus and attack and defeat the Olympians, and to their rescue came an army of Amazons. Surely normal warriors would have done little effect.
That shows a problem similar to the whole Daxam/Kandor/etc situations. If Superman and WW are heroes who can save the world, what does it mean for threats that you could have a whole army of similarly powered beings summoned upon convenient need?
An army of lead-impervious Daxamites was used as dramatic threat by Darkseid in The Great Darkness Saga.
I think you could settle for a relative solution. Daxamites perhaps needed to constantly remake their lead-poison-antidote as they adapted constantly to the cure and made it ineffective. A permanent cure for the Kandorians being Brainiac-shrunk may never be found. So perhaps Themyscira was most of the time partially out of phase with Earth and the Amazons lost power outside it, except for Diana, because of her exceptional birth, or some magical artifact that enabled her to retain power but which could not be mass-produced (like the belt in the TV series?).
One take I sometimes followed doing fanfiction was that Diana needed to focus to summon her Olympian-gifts of power. They were not inherent to her, and her normal level of power was that of all amazons, above normal humans because of their being the peak of human perfection (or sumthin' like that without sounding so eugenically fascist), but to be able to operate near Superman-level she would need to focus on summoning the Olympian power to her. This would justify her casual vulnerability to bullets unless focusing on the full Aegis effect and make her warrior-trained ability to focus more important. So as she is given the strength of Gaea, she is as strong as she needs to be in respective situations. But that sort of ambiguity is hard to keep consistent across multiple writers.
why would they? how would it allow them to take endless jabs at the dceu? wait for something negative to hit the web and they'll definitely make it the top story
Some writers I think have tried to propose that idea that she is without powers above other amazons while in the Island, as otherwise the Contest would be quite unfair. I think it was said that it was arranged by the Queen so she could have a normal childhood. However, in other stories we see Diana need to use powers in the island because of some threat. Post-crisis DC never really figured it out fully.
Pre-Crisis all Amazons were super-powered and Diana was just the best among them. There is a memorable Teen Titans story where the Titans of Myth are freed from Tartarus and attack and defeat the Olympians, and to their rescue came an army of Amazons. Surely normal warriors would have done little effect, but that shows a problem similar to the whole Daxam/Kandor/etc situations. If Superman and WW are heroes who can save the world, what does it mean for threats that you could have a whole army of similarly powered beings summoned upon convenient need? An army of lead-impervious Daxamites was used as dramatic threat by Darkseid in The Great Darkness Saga.
I think you could settle for a relative solution. Daxamites perhaps needed to constantly remake their lead-poison-antidote as they adapted constantly to the cure and made it ineffective. A permanent cure for the Kandorians being Brainiac-shrunk may never be found. So perhaps Themyscira was most of the time partially out of phase with Earth and the Amazons lost power outside it, except for Diana, because of her exceptional birth, or some magical artifact that enabled her to retain power but which could not be mass-produced (like the belt in the TV series?).
One take I sometimes followed doing fanfiction was that Diana needed to focus to summon her Olympian-gifts of power. They were not inherent to her, and her normal level of power was that of all amazons, above normal humans because of their being the peak of human perfection (or sumthin' like that without sounding so eugenically fascist), but to be able to operate near Superman-level she would need to focus on summoning the Olympian power to her. This would justify her casual vulnerability to bullets unless focusing on the full Aegis effect and make her warrior-trained ability to focus more important. So as she is given the strength of Gaea, she is as strong as she needs to be in respective situations. But that sort of ambiguity is hard to keep consistent across multiple writers.
consciously drawing power when needed. And I agree that both things, having entire army of superpowered beings without them becoming a constant deus ex machina and Diana's power level in relation to both fellow Amazons and then superpowered threats, are tough to handle and depict consistently.
Yes, they will, but aside from BvS and Suicide Squad, Schnepp and Mark usually just have positive things to say about comic books so it's not too exciting or enlightening.
why would they? how would it allow them to take endless jabs at the dceu? wait for something negative to hit the web and they'll definitely make it the top story
Ha, oddly enough, Campea has been pretty positive about WW, the Gal Gadot thing aside. But they're even talking about the Batmobile this episode, and not WW so I'm a little bitter lol
You started!
Seriously, I did reference twists in comic stories not everyone may know, so I prefer to be safe. I just edited the spoilers to be more specific and not make the discussion obscure to those wanting to be spoiler-free about the movie.
You started!
Seriously, I did reference twists in comic stories not everyone may know, so I prefer to be safe. I just edited the spoilers to be more specific and not make the discussion obscure to those wanting to be spoiler-free about the movie.
No but it definitely answers the question. If it doesnt matter whether CH can act his way out of a wet paper bag why should it matter if Gal can? (that is all hypothetical obviously)
Ha, oddly enough, Campea has been pretty positive about WW, the Gal Gadot thing aside. But they're even talking about the Batmobile this episode, and not WW so I'm a little bitter lol
When he brought up the possibility of WW being critically well received on one of the latest mailbags, he said "some people might snicker when I say this" as a precursor. Which is annoying to say the least considering there's been nothing but great press surrounding the wonder woman property and character
If you don't care about spoilers, here is what I learned on the subject:
Diana believes she was merely created by Zeus as the rest of the Amazons (though, technically it was Aphrodite who created them), but in third act, Ares reveals that she was a result of love affair between Hippolyta and Zeus, a la New 52.
Anyway, yeah, her powers seem to come from Zeus, which is a pretty good explanation for something that was rarely ever explained in comics - Diana being stronger than other Amazons.
most of her powers get "unlocked" outside of Themyscira, otherwise I don't see how Antiope would be able to train her and we saw two of them sparring in BTS pictures. On Themyscira she became best of Amazons, solely due to the training. I also think that most, if not all, of the Amazons know the truth about Diana, as her being the only Amazon that was created after so many time is something to be noticed. It's just that true nature of her being actual Zeus' offspring and not his creation like other Amazons, is being kept from Diana herself.
Well leaving out the spoilers...she wouldnt know how strong she truly was until she went up against someone who was perceived as stronger. Just like Superman...when Clark was a kid he knew he was stronger than his schoolmates and other humans but he needed to keep testing himself to know he could fly or destroy world engines
Antiope may be an awesome warrior but Diana would need to fight someone better and stronger to know how far she can go no matter her origin.
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