All Things Wonder Woman: An Open Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 22

[DarthSkywalker]

Sorry, I just deleted it for the time being. I thought this was an ok thread for spoilers, but apparently I was wrong.

Thread titles will show you where spoilers are allowed.

 

[DeadStroke]

Yeah, I really enjoyed Wonder Woman, but no way imo.

Logan was probably a better first watch for me. However, repeated viewings the flaws stick out more.

I've got to see Wonder Woman again, but I think its going to be more re-watchable.

 

[Punisher_MAX]

I've been agreeing with most people on the final fight, it just got boring and was pretty dull. Superpowered beings throwing crap at each other like in BvS. I think the film ended weakly and the last shot got a laugh out of me.

I'd compare this to Captain America: The First Avenger yet I loved that film more because it captured a pulpy magic that I felt in the Indy movies. It's not without its flaws and I felt it needed one more awesome action set piece or a better montage, but I love the film.

the No Man's Land scene was brilliant though.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Logan was probably a better first watch for me. However, repeated viewings the flaws stick out more.

I've got to see Wonder Woman again, but I think its going to be more re-watchable.

If Wonder Woman's third act had lived up to the first two, maybe I'd consider it. But the third act is such a step down, where as Logan just kept building and building, and paid it off in the end. Its also got a lot more to it.

But Wonder Woman is a strong first outing.

 

[The Guard]

Was that last shot an homage to something from the comics? A famous cover, perhaps?

I thought that maybe her pose when she confronts Trevor after donning the armor was an homage to this:

https://thanley.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/wwbolland72.jpg

 

[Web-Head]

Just got back a few hours ago and I really enjoyed it, at least after the first act on Theymiscara which I found a bit meh aside from the beach scene. There were a few things here and there I wasn't a big fan of though.

I've also seen some comparisons to Captain America: The First Avenger and I got that in regards to a few things but I probably enjoyed Wonder Woman more overall.

My biggest takeaway is I am even more excited for the rest of the DCEU solo films and it made me more hopeful for the DCEU going forward.

Also, that darn theme is stuck in my head!

 

[Wonder89]

Theatres was about full tonight?

 

[Gee]

Was that last shot an homage to something from the comics? A famous cover, perhaps?

I thought the last shot was another homage to [BLACKOUT]S:TM and Reeve's Superman movies[/BLACKOUT].

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Diana leaping towards the screen is similar to Reeve's Superman flying off-screen in space.

 

[DeadStroke]

If Wonder Woman's third act had lived up to the first two, maybe I'd consider it. But the third act is such a step down, where as Logan just kept building and building, and paid it off in the end. Its also got a lot more to it.

But Wonder Woman is a strong first outing.

GREAT final 10 to 15 mins from Logan. How it got there.....meh.

Its a movie with great performances. Hugh Jackman, Stewart were stellar. The story they were in and how Mangold executed it......

Patty Jenkins did a better job of executing her story than Mangold imo.

The 2nd act of Logan is such a step down that gets overlooked because of just how emotional it is.

First act of Logan was awesome though.

 

[Travesty]

I thought the last show was another homage to [BLACKOUT]S:TM and Reeve's Superman movies[/BLACKOUT].

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Diana leaping towards the screen is similar to Reeve's Superman flying off-screen in space.

Yeah, there were a few callbacks to that movie. The rotating door was the most obvious to me.

 

[Web-Head]

Theatres was about full tonight?

I went late morning/early afternoon and it was still about half full. Impressive for a Friday that early.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Just got back a few hours ago and I really enjoyed it, at least after the first act on Theymiscara which I found a bit meh aside from the beach scene. There were a few things here and there I wasn't a big fan of though.

I've also seen some comparisons to Captain America: The First Avenger and I got that in regards to a few things but I probably enjoyed Wonder Woman more overall.

My biggest takeaway is I am even more excited for the rest of the DCEU solo films and it made me more hopeful for the DCEU going forward.

Also, that darn theme is stuck in my head!

Its a really good theme. t:

 

[DarthSkywalker]

GREAT final 10 to 15 mins from Logan. How it got there.....meh.

Its a movie with great performances. Hugh Jackman, Stewart were stellar. The story they were in and how Mangold executed it......

Patty Jenkins did a better job of executing her story than Mangold imo.

The 2nd act of Logan is such a step down that gets overlooked because of just how emotional it is.

First act of Logan was awesome though.

Yeah, I completely disagree on your views on Logan. But considering this isn't the Logan thread, I'll leave that there.

WW's story is super straight forward, and well executed. Until the last act. Where things get really choppy. Also there is some really odd bits of logic.

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No one saw Diana destroying the guy she thought was Ares? How?

Why does Ares admit a lot of the problems going on are his fault?

Also, how did Steve save the day by blowing up the plane in the air. Why wouldn't that still spread the gas across a large distance?

I thought the last shot was another homage to [BLACKOUT]S:TM and Reeve's Superman movies[/BLACKOUT].

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Diana leaping towards the screen is similar to Reeve's Superman flying off-screen in space.

Yep. But it just didn't look right at all imo.

 

[The Guard]

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No one saw Diana destroying the guy she thought was Ares?
How?

Why does that even matter?

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Why does Ares admit a lot of the problems going on are his fault?

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Seeing as how he apparently wants to cause said problems, again, why is this an issue?

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also, how did Steve save the day by blowing up the plane in the air. Why wouldn't that still spread the gas across a large distance?

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They talk about it a few minutes earlier in the film. The gas, being hydrogen based, is flammable.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Why does that even matter?

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Seeing as how he apparently wants to cause said problems, again, why is this an issue?

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They talk about it a few minutes earlier in the film. The gas, being hydrogen based, is flammable.

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It matters because she breaks into a compound, kills a few soldiers, makes a crap ton of noise, puts on a visual spectacle with a glowing lasso, and no one sees a thing, even though the base is crawling with people.That just doesn't make sense.


He is trying to win Diana to his side. He does it by admitting he interfered. She saw through the, "I only gave them the idea" thing super easily. This isn't exactly Darth Vader trying to win over Luke.

Yes, its flammable. It is also flammable on the ground, but they say they can't blow it because it will take out 50 square miles. That wasn't a 50 square miles explosion in the sky.

 

[Flemm]

It's hard to compare this movie to Logan.

That's almost a pointless exercise, imho, because they are so different in terms of what they are trying to accomplish.

I actually thought that Logan's plot had some pretty big holes, or at least major questions marks that never really get addressed or explained

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(such as how all those kids can get to the rendez-vous point on their own, when X-23 can barely make it with Logan's help, or why this para-military organization can operate freely in Mexico and the US, but apparently not in Canada)

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But anyway, there are almost always some plot points that can be questioned in movies like this, and I don't think it really matters all that much, for the most part.

The Star Trek reboot had one of the worst plots I can recall seeing in a genre movie, from a technical standpoint, but the movie still basically works.

 

[Dark Raven]

I suppose they could have had a completely different story that would have been structured to accomodate that kind of thing. But with this story, where?

If, say, they put her on a train or plane they'd get even more FIRST AVENGER comparisons.

I was sort of hoping for

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Olympus/Ares realm

, but figured we probably wouldn't see it.

I think they need to plan their story and set pieces in tandem. So it's not just that they plan the story and then fit in the set pieces, or plan the set pieces and try to fit a story around that, but do both in conjunction with one another. Sometimes one will give way a little more to the other.

I think

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if they came up with a more exciting arms facility in the place, it could've led to a more interesting final battle. In which country was the final battle set? Was it Belgium? What interesting places are there in Belgium if any? Why did it have to be Belgium anyway? Could it have been in another country?

I hope for the sequel they come up with much better locations or set pieces. And have it during the day. I don't like night time battles very much.

 

[Wildcard]

Wow, where to start?!

Okay, first, this movie is exceptional through and through. All of the problems apparent with MoS, BvS & SS are nonexistent here & I'd definitely say this qualifies as the first truly great film of the DCEU. I think everyone was perfectly cast, especially Gadot & Pine and they shined all the way through. The action is phenomenal, there's genuine emotion throughout and it's just a complete thrill ride. Definitely the WW film I've wanted since I was a child.

9/10 for me.

 

[Moridin]

Jenkins should've shot a ton of footage that could make up a whole other movie in Themyscira. Then if the theatrical version does well, she can release an extended cut of WW which is almost like a 2-part mini series. The first part is entirely set in Themyscira and ends with Steve crash landing, and the second part is everything else following on from there.

Jenkins should have deliberately wasted time and money shooting extra footage she (and the movie) don't need? That wouldn't be a smart move, nor a good look.

 

[jmc]

I hear you. I feel like Zack in real life is like Superman in BvS: trying to do great things and being misunderstood by people who can't read the subtext.

The fear that WB would pull away from that level of storytelling has worried me for the last year. I defend BvS because, as much as anything, to do so is to defend storytelling as an art. I hope this is more a choice for Diana than a representation of the future of the DCEU.

And on that note, I am preparing to line up!

I believe this is exactly the direction WB is now going with the DCEU. And it's for the better.

 

[Dr Lee]

Saw some people commenting on the Invisible Jet a few pages back. Simple way to do it... WayneTech develops a classified reflective surface system (or whatever the real life concepts are called) and builds a small jet for Diana to use. Technically it's just a cloaking device, but she gets and invisible jet.

 

[flickchick85]

Logan was probably a better-crafted film overall, but I loved this movie 10x more than Logan and I'm not even sorry, lol.

I really, REALLY hope this film is a sign of things to come for the DCEU.

 

[Jedi Arrow]

I thought this was a fantastic movie. My initial reaction upon leaving the theater was "It's the best superhero movie I've seen in a long time." I'll grant it's not on the level of Winter Soldier or Civil War, but I'd say it contends with most other MCU movies. It's also the first superhero movie that's ever, to my remembrance, flat-out made me choke up. Minor spoilers...

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The scene that made me choke up was when she walked out into No Man's Land and just stood there taking on all this machinegun fire and all these missiles and bombs. Just because she wanted to help. And it provided a distraction that allowed Steve and his buddies to break a line that had been held the whole freaking war. I don't know what it was about that scene–the music, the imagery, I don't know–but whatever it was, I was seriously choked up, and I almost never get emotional at any movie, let alone a superhero movie. So props to them for that.

So yeah, I'd call it a success. Out of curiosity, did that scene get to anyone else like it did me?

 

[flickchick85]

Oh yes, that was a very powerful scene indeed.

 

[jmc]

I thought this was a fantastic movie. My initial reaction upon leaving the theater was "It's the best superhero movie I've seen in a long time." I'll grant it's not on the level of Winter Soldier or Civil War, but I'd say it contends with most other MCU movies. It's also the first superhero movie that's ever, to my remembrance, flat-out made me choke up. Minor spoilers...

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The scene that made me choke up was when she walked out into No Man's Land and just stood there taking on all this machinegun fire and all these missiles and bombs. Just because she wanted to help. And it provided a distraction that allowed Steve and his buddies to break a line that had been held the whole freaking war. I don't know what it was about that scene–the music, the imagery, I don't know–but whatever it was, I was seriously choked up, and I almost never get emotional at any movie, let alone a superhero movie. So props to them for that.

So yeah, I'd call it a success. Out of curiosity, did that scene get to anyone else like it did me?

It was a great scene. It epitomises why this film is a step above both BvS and MoS. Those two films have a very cynical approach to Superman and Batman, and even Wonder Woman to a lesser extent. This is just pure heroism, no questions asked, no apologies. This is exactly the type of movie MoS needed to be for Superman and this is exactly the type of movie WB needs moving forward. It's probably too late for JL to change, I'm basically writing that film off regardless of WW, but this is the direction DC needs to go.