All Things Wonder Woman: An Open Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 23

[Thome216]

Are there any differences in characterisation? Do you hear Gal's voice for the character when reading it or does it seem like someone else?

Spoiler

I don't think she was telling her story to anyone. She seemed to be reminiscing to herself and the photo that Bruce sent her was merely the catalyst for that. I don't think she was telling him as such. She certainly wasn't typing her story or dictating it anywhere.

Not that I have noticed yet. So far the characterizations are holding true to to movie form. And while reading through the dialog, possibly because it's been so recent since I last saw the movie, I am 'hearing' their voices and their accents too.

 

[Dark Raven]

On the subject of Fox news criticising this movie for not being American enough, well they were still at it on the exact same subject 6 years ago regarding the 2011 WW TV pilot:

Fox News: New 'Wonder Woman' Outfit Lacks Patriotism

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/fox-news-new-wonder-woman-169252

Foxnews.com says the character has lost her "patriotic costume in favor of 'globalized' duds."



It's like they're stuck in that mode with a bee in their bonnet, and are determined to have an all-American heroine at any cost, Amazonian heritage be damned!

 

[Thome216]

When the movie ended I was really hoping for some acknowledgement that what happened in BvS made her take on the superhero mantle again. How I see it is that she let humans do what they do, but now there are super powered threats that humans can't possibly fight so she decides she must act.

Spoiler

It stayed pretty close to what happens in WW and not BvS in supplying the reasoning for why she did not continue to turn away from Man.

I would say that Superman's sacrifice at the end of BvS became synonymous with Steve's, and that fighting besides him and Bruce reminded her of her old WW1 comrades and how it felt to fight besides someone rather than to be alone.

From here on, that's what I'm going to go by as to why she still fights for Man. For her, her examples of a list of good Men will always start with Steve, and Sammie, Charlie and Chief and Etta.

 

[Thome216]

On the subject of Fox news criticising this movie for not being American enough, well they were still at it on the exact same subject 6 years ago regarding the 2011 WW TV pilot:

Fox News: New 'Wonder Woman' Outfit Lacks Patriotism

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/fox-news-new-wonder-woman-169252

Foxnews.com says the character has lost her "patriotic costume in favor of 'globalized' duds."



It's like they're stuck in that mode with a bee in their bonnet, and are determined to have an all-American heroine at any cost, Amazonian heritage be damned!

Well, Fox News has to be patriotic themselves before they can start throwing stones from their glass house.

 

[Willi Berg]

I'm half way through it now and it is good, but it has it's detraction's...

Of course being a novelization there are going to be differences, seeing as I believe novelists usually work from the prefilmed material, so it misses the mark on some of the iconic scenes. But then again, it adds so much depths in others, especially with young Diana, her mother and Antiope.

There are editing errors too, but I can ignore those piddles...

I downloaded it today. Thanks for reminding me about it.

I'm skeptical about novelisations too and don't usually read them (though I did when I was a kid.) I just started reading it but you're right, this does seem better than the usual fare. And of course I am more interested because it is WW.

I think movie tie-in novels usually work from the script, not the movie. Probably so they have more time.

 

[harlequinade]

Interview with adorable Lilly Aspell who plays youngest Diana http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/he...na-is-very-like-me-1010957?utm_source=twitter

 

[Grommers]

Interview with adorable Lilly Aspell who plays youngest Diana http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/he...na-is-very-like-me-1010957?utm_source=twitter

My nephew's 9 and spends his time dabbing and playing with fidget spinners.

This girl talks like she's an adult.

 

[COCOS]

this was a fantastic experience,this is a fantastic movie

writing,very well directed & the acting is great specially the duo diana-steve trevor

story telling play a huge part, its definitely on the top 5 list of superhero movies ever
with Dark knight,knight rises,winter soldier & iron man 1

 

[brandeezy89]

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/he...ector-patty-jenkins-not-signed-sequel-1010845

Patty haven't signed on to sequel (yet); WB seemed unprepared on the massive success of the film.

Naw, it says that WB has changed their green lighting process which makes sense considering the recent number of movies that have underperformed recently critically and financially

 

[dhandler01]

Naw, it says that WB has changed their green lighting process which makes sense considering the recent number of movies that have underperformed recently critically and financially

Yeah...plus it would have been stupid of Patty to sign on for a sequel before now. She will never have the leverage she does at this time. Now she can probably ask for anything and WB will give it. She is the new Golden Child.

 

[Flemm]

Naw, it says that WB has changed their green lighting process which makes sense considering the recent number of movies that have underperformed recently critically and financially

In sports there are one-year "show me" contracts, where a talented player signs a modest contract with little security in the hopes that his performance will justify a big payday the following year.

So I think Patty Jenkins just put herself in a good position

 

[jaymes_e06]

Patty isn't doing the WW films for money like other directors (Nolan included). She loves this character and it shows through in her work.

 

[valmont]

Wonder Woman finally opened today in France, I'm seeing it tomorrow...can't waitt:t:

 

[metaphysician]

I'm not yet convinced they're doing the "secret identity" thing with her in present day.

My guess is, she *technically* has a secret identity, in that she doesn't have bright neon signs above her home reading "I AM WONDER WOMAN". However, she doesn't put a huge amount of effort into concealing herself, either. If you actually pay attention to her, you pretty quickly realize she's *some* kind of woman of mystery.

 

[Flemm]

She loves this character and it shows through in her work.

I'm sure she does love the character, but there was also a lot of skepticism about whether a woman could direct a movie about a female superhero that would be a financial success.

That has happened now, and certainly should be reflected in her contract the next time around.

I think that is part of the progress the success of this film represents, for female directors in particular.

The director and the studio will hopefully want to solidify that progress with a great sequel.

 

[metaphysician]

The secret identity makes more sense for Superman than Diana, imo. Her goal has never been to be a "regular joe." He's all about preserving his farm-grown upbringing as a way of preserving his humanity, while she's perfectly happy embracing her inner-demigoddess. She seems to be a wealthy high society woman already...one step away from actual royalty. For the world to acknowledge her as such would hardly be a big change for her. And it's not like she'd be putting her loved ones in danger like with Clark/Bruce. They're either all gone or deadly warriors, lol.

Well, being fair, she probably does have friends and associates in the modern day, if only coworkers and acquaintances at her "day job". However, I'd find it perfectly believable that Diana takes a view that, anyway whose actually a meaningful threat? Is going to be able to figure out who she is through any plausible "secret identity" anyway. So, the best way to keep her friends safe isn't to hide, its to be there for them. Sure, you *can* try to get at Diana by targeting her friends, but now you have a pissed off demigoddess coming for you. Is this *really* what you want?

Its less about what works or not, and more about a fundamentally different philosophy of operation.

 

[Legendver2]

I don't think it's so much a secret identity but more a day job. I mean, there aren't meta human threats everyday. She'd be bored out of her mind if she wasn't doing SOMETHING. And being an antiques dealer and curator just seems natural since she's from an ancient culture.

 

[metaphysician]

There's also that thing where often celebrities don't look all that remarkable in real life.

Plus, there are a couple tricks of posture and clothing that can *really* make one look different. At least once the comics made it explicit that, when not on-the-job, Clark slouches and wears loose clothing a little too big for him. The result is that, sure, his face looks similar to Superman. . . but he's a couple inches shorter and a couple inches wider. Or at least, that's what he looks like to a person who meets Clark in Metropolis.

 

[Legendver2]

I'm sure she does love the character, but there was also a lot of skepticism about whether a woman could direct a movie about a female superhero that would be a financial success.

That has happened now, and certainly should be reflected in her contract the next time around.

I think that is part of the progress the success of this film represents, for female directors in particular.

The director and the studio will hopefully want to solidify that progress with a great sequel.

She seems to have a firm understanding of the brighter heroes, or the brighter aspects of the heroes. It would be cool if she had a hand in guiding some of the DCEU future slate with Johns.

 

[Flemm]

On the topic of secret identities, there is also the reality that people see what they want to see, or what they are expecting to see, a lot of the time.

My understanding is that our vision actually works that way, in the sense that, biologically, our brains do not simply process incoming visual information, as one might expect. Our brains create a model of what they are expecting to see, which they then match up with incoming information. This has the advantage of allowing the information to be processed much more quickly, but it creates situations where it is easy to overlook details that you are not expecting to see.

There is an old idea about disguises, that I think became well-known in the influential adventure novel, The 39 Steps, which is: "Look the same, *be* different."

The idea being that disguises work best when they are not based on a visual change, but on a change of behavior and context.

So, anyway. Yes, secret identities can come across as silly, but they are not as absurd as one might think.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

I'm sure she does love the character, but there was also a lot of skepticism about whether a woman could direct a movie about a female superhero that would be a financial success.

That has happened now, and certainly should be reflected in her contract the next time around.

I think that is part of the progress the success of this film represents, for female directors in particular.

The director and the studio will hopefully want to solidify that progress with a great sequel.

It would mean more if they gave her a first look deal. Wondy is just one movie. I'm sure she wants to do other stuff or produce other stuff.

 

[brandeezy89]

They'll probably give her, her own production studio or office on the lot like they did with Ben

 

[Thome216]

Plus, there are a couple tricks of posture and clothing that can *really* make one look different. At least once the comics made it explicit that, when not on-the-job, Clark slouches and wears loose clothing a little too big for him. The result is that, sure, his face looks similar to Superman. . . but he's a couple inches shorter and a couple inches wider. Or at least, that's what he looks like to a person who meets Clark in Metropolis.

The scene in Superman II suits that just perfectly. His glasses fall off, Lois is looking for them and he is that close to telling her. He straightens, his shoulders go back and suddenly he is not Clark Kent, he is Superman...

All in the posture. All in the expression.

ACTING! THANK YOU!!

 

[Thome216]

Wonder Woman finally opened today in France, I'm seeing it tomorrow...can't waitt:t:

Have a great time and enjoy it! I know I did. Repeatedly...t:

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

I don't want Lynda in the Wonder Woman films. Just have her at the premiers.