All Things Wonder Woman: An Open Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 24

[Dark Raven]

I turned off the animated WW movie. I am very against those types of feminists who think putting down men is how you build up women. Plus I hated Steve in that movie, love what Chris did with him much more.

There was a lot of putting down. Diana kept saying that the others were right that all men are essentially pigs and not evolved enough, and Steve was continually protesting this. Diana was like the tough, no nonsense cop like Kate Beckett and Steve was basically Richard Castle, who often got on her nerves but challenged her views and presuppositions.

 

[Micromind]

If the WW animated movie was just sole introduction available for Wonder Woman, then her characters is not too different from Xena, in fact it's a bit worse than Xena.

The movie gives off wrong impression of what the character stands for, according to that movie, she is ready to fight anyone who can provoke her.

 

[2kt09]

You preferred a stern, cold, hardened and judgmental Diana to a warm, loving, innocent and compassionate Diana? Or a womanizing Steve Trevor to a more honorable and respectful one?

Well...yeah because animated Diana felt more mature as a whole even though she had similar naive reservations and a nearly unwavering conviction to do what needed to be done. She has to prove to her mother and the Amazons that she's fit for this journey. Trevor was teaching her that there's more to life and the world that she was willing to explore and that she was also willing to end abruptly should she accept death and defeat. There was also the comradery and remorse with Trevor's pilots that carried over to his message of caring.

I don't know what you guys were talking about in reference to Pine's Trevor being like Steve Rogers. Must be the one from some comics I haven't yet read.

 

[Dark Raven]

If the WW animated movie was just sole introduction available for Wonder Woman, then her characters is not too different from Xena, in fact it's a bit worse than Xena.

The movie gives off wrong impression of what the character stands for, according to that movie, she is ready to fight anyone who can provoke her.

I feel WW's portrayal has been heading down that route recently until it got back to the more innocent and loving Diana portrayed by Gal. In Justice League War she's an even more extreme version of Keri Russell's hardened warrior and will threaten even ice cream sellers with a sword as if she has no clue this will make her completely unapproachable and unlikable. Adrianne Palicki's WW was also far too brutal and used excessive force.

No wonder people think Diana should be played by the likes of Ronda Rousey or Gina Carano. And no wonder John Campea wanted Jaimie Alexander. She fits the whole Keri Russell portrayal.

 

[Thome216]

Is it me, or does she just have that classic Greek profile..?

 

[Micromind]

No wonder people think Diana should be played by the likes of Ronda Rousey or Gina Carano.

And no wonder John Campea wanted Jaimie Alexander. She fits the whole Keri Russell portrayal.

I see, that makes sense.

 

[Micromind]

They should include the remaining 223 outfits in extra scenes on DVD.

 

[Thome216]

Wow it's been a while since I've visited this place

But I finally got around to seeing Wonder Woman and I LOVED it, it's gone straight up to my top 5 favorite Superhero Films of all time! One of the things I was afraid of going into it, was that they would overplay the 'kick-butt female warrior' stereotype'.

Look I'm a woman who loves seeing strong women in movies, I also hold a special spot for Wonder Woman in my heart because of what she represents to me...but too much these days when we see a female warrior on film they either sexualize her too much "oh hot chick in spandex, etc', or they spend too much time TELLING and not SHOWING ex: "look at me I'm a tough chick who can take down twenty men singlehandedly while wearing heels!" etc.

What I loved about this film was that they SHOWED us Diana was a bad*** warrior without trying to cram any sort of "LOOK we're making a Female Superhero Film!" down our throats. Really the subject of Diana being a woman who can fight was never really brought up in the movie, I was waiting for the proverbial "but she's a woman and look how she kicks butt!" line to drop and it never really did, other then a brief joke, (I'm both frightened and aroused" LOL) she really was treated no differently then if she were a male lead in a action film...and I loved that.

THAT'S the type of thing I want to see more of in the future with female action heroes. Stop playing up the fact that they are female, and just tell their story like you would if they were male heroes, etc.

Just my two cents.

Weighty two cents! Other than a few gobsmacked looks and a 'yeah, what of it?' shrug she was, as she states, 'the man for the job.'

Love that comeback!t:

Glad you enjoyed!

 

[Dark Raven]

Well...yeah because animated Diana felt more mature as a whole even though she had similar naive reservations and a nearly unwavering conviction to do what needed to be done. She has to prove to her mother and the Amazons that she's fit for this journey. Trevor was teaching her that there's more to life and the world that she was willing to explore and that she was also willing to end abruptly should she accept death and defeat. There was also the comradery and remorse with Trevor's pilots that carried over to his message of caring.

I don't know what you guys were talking about in reference to Pine's Trevor being like Steve Rogers. Must be the one from some comics I haven't yet read.

She didn't come off as more mature. If anything, she came off a very immature with her attitude and judgment. She was like a young, bloodthirsty warrior too eager to prove herself in battle and to dismiss men. She had a narrow mindedness and sense of intolerance.

Gal's WW, while innocent and naive, still seemed to be much wiser and at peace with herself that she didn't need to prove anything. She had those maternal instincts and a warmth and compassion. She was more like a woman while Keri Russell's WW was more like a bratty teenager who had to be mansplained by Steve Trevor in order to overcome her prejudices.

 

[Thome216]

Still can't believe that Armond White's reviews actually count towards RT.

Some people are either sadly blind to the obvious or too fooled by their own hype.

 

[Thome216]

Which is the exact opposite of Joss Whedon's WW script where ALL of that happens. I think that would've had a ton of criticism if it had been made (it already is even only in script form) and would've sunk the movie and any hope of female superhero films and turned WW into an outdated icon whom people would think can't work on film. I am not keen on him tackling Batgirl. Wouldn't it be better to capitalise on this wave of success that DC/WB have been enjoying and hire a female director for that one too?

If all he does is dress TV Buffy in a bat suit, I'll be psyched!t:

 

[kguillou]

It's interesting to hear so many of you disliked the 2009 film, I could swear that for the longest time fans considered that movie the crown jewel of all of the DC animated films.

 

[2kt09]

She didn't come off as more mature. If anything, she came off a very immature with her attitude and judgment. She was like a young, bloodthirsty warrior too eager to prove herself in battle and to dismiss men. She had a narrow mindedness and sense of intolerance.

Gal's WW, while innocent and naive, still seemed to be much wiser and at peace with herself that she didn't need to prove anything. She had those maternal instincts and a warmth and compassion. She was more like a woman while Keri Russell's WW was more like a bratty teenager who had to be mansplained by Steve Trevor in order to overcome her prejudices.

And I enjoyed how those flaws developed and I enjoyed how they bounced off each other.
The part that really made this relationship for me before Trevor's "mansplaining" was that he saved her after taking on an otherworldly creature amidst all her other accomplishments.

If Gal's Diana didn't need to prove anything, where's the character arc?

It's interesting to hear so many of you disliked the 2009 film, I could swear that for the longest time fans considered that movie the crown jewel of all of the DC animated films.

For the longest time, people were wondering why it didn't get a sequel.

 

[Dark Raven]

It's interesting to hear so many of you disliked the 2009 film, I could swear that for the longest time fans considered that movie the crown jewel of all of the DC animated films.

I think Susan Eisenberg was much better and had more humanity than Keri Russell.

Keri Russell and Michelle Monaghan (from JL War) were like the equivalent of how Superman has been perceived under Zak Snyder: someone too serious and lacking compassion. So naturally without certain qualities he'll be perceived as less heroic.

 

[Dark Raven]

And I enjoyed how those flaws developed and I enjoyed how they bounced off each other.
The part that really made this relationship for me before Trevor's "mansplaining" was that he saved her after taking on an otherworldly creature amidst all her other accomplishments.

If Gal's Diana didn't need to prove anything, where's the character arc?


For the longest time, people were wondering why it didn't get a sequel.

We saw Gal's character arc. We all know what it was in the movie. I'm not explaining it in here as they contain spoilers.

 

[2kt09]

We saw Gal's character arc. We all know what it was in the movie. I'm not explaining it in here as they contain spoilers.

The question was rhetorical.

 

[Dark Raven]

The question was rhetorical.

But it's not, because your statement would assume then she doesn't have one, but she does. Which is why it isn't a case of "If she has nothing to prove then where's the character arc? Answer (which doesn't need to be spelled out): there is none" because she clearly does have an arc. And Patty Jenkins even addressed this about her having that quiet confidence of not having to prove herself. She doesn't need to act tough or show how much of a warrior she is. It's just something she is, so she's free to act in a more loving way and show kindness and compassion, which is all part of her character.

 

[Ardyns]

Going for my 4th and final viewing

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Going for my 4th and final viewing

 

[Ardyns]

Feels bad man.
No mo cash

 

[Flemm]

Interesting to read everyone's opinion on the animated film, which I have not seen.

I will have to check it out, for comparison's sake.

Being a comic fan, of course I know about Wonder Woman and have read some of the stories, but I've never really been a big fan of WW specifically until this movie.

Sometimes it just takes the right adaptation to make a character feel incredibly relevant and modern. I'm very interested in what Jenkins and Johns can come up with as a story for the sequel.

 

[Raiden]

Saw WW finally a couple of days ago, with my wife who wanted to see it again (she went to see it first with her sister). I think this is a solid movie and both Jenkins and Gadot have done a tremendous job, but I think the climax of the movie lies in the 2nd Act in the No Man's Land segment. I was a bit let down by the final battle, which turned into a CGI fest against a rather mediocre villain. And there's some parallel with Capt. America TFA that can't be denied. However, I still like this movie and it's easily the best in DCEU.

 

[Black Narcissus]

 

[Dark Raven]

That looks awesome and very classic Renaissance art.

Is that official or just fan art?

 

[Silly Cat]

Saw WW finally a couple of days ago, with my wife who wanted to see it again (she went to see it first with her sister). I think this is a solid movie and both Jenkins and Gadot have done a tremendous job, but I think the climax of the movie lies in the 2nd Act in the No Man's Land segment. I was a bit let down by the final battle, which turned into a CGI fest against a rather mediocre villain. And there's some parallel with Capt. America TFA that can't be denied. However, I still like this movie and it's easily the best in DCEU.

It was sort of a combo of Thor and the first Capt. America, but I liked Wonder Woman better then both of them, lol. I don't think parallel's are necessarily a bad thing as they are inevitable in Superhero films, because we are using similar themes over and over again. Sure you can try to be different but their is only so many ways you can tell a heroes journey without touching on some things that have been done before, doesn't make your version a rip-off.

Diana is much more likable then Thor, and I liked her romance with Steve Trevor better then Capts and Peggy's...sue me.