All Things Wonder Woman: An Open Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 24

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That video nailed it, except for the first GotG and Civil War references. I thought the use of bathos in those films, specifically the instances called out in the video, were responsible. They were either in keeping with established character traits (Rocket's jackass line - he's going to call out the absurdity of that moment), or provided a layer of narrative (feuding superheroes pulling punches in Civil War, everything's fun and games until someone gets hurt). Crap like the cloak in Doctor Strange had nothing to do with anything, either plot or characterization.
 
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Diana would probably have questions regarding the naming of the 'Civil War.'
 
http://www.warpaintmag.com/2017/06/26/bridal-to-box-office/

Last week she shared with us the step-by-step secrets of the Wonder Woman look she created for Gal Gadot. Now Sarah Brock lets Warpaint lift the lid on her experiences on set.

WP: Congratulations on the beautiful looks that you created for Gal Gadot in Wonder Woman. You’re much better known for your Red Carpet looks – how did you transition into movies?

SB: It really was a fairytale story as to how I came to work on the Wonder Woman movie – after being in beauty and fashion for 18 years, the movie industry wasn’t something I had ever considered. Patty Jenkins, the director, was searching online for inspiration for the make-up look for Gal and she kept coming across an image from a bridal designer campaign that I did back in 2008. My name wasn’t on the image, so she asked the team in the USA to find out who did the make-up for the campaign – they found my website, Patty looked at my work and loved what I did (plus I was based in the UK where most of the filming took place, so it was perfect). I had an email one evening from Patty, I went to the Warner Bros Studios to meet her – we got on so well immediately and she offered me the job as the personal make-up artist to Gal on the movie and the rest is history.

WP: With a female director and a heavily female cast, did this affect the approach to the make-up? How did you create the combination of strong and very pretty?

SB: The reason Patty bought me on board to work on the movie was because she wanted Gal to look goddess-like and naturally beautiful, which is what I was doing already with my fashion work. Because Patty is a woman, make-up was really important to her, as it really can make a huge difference to the final look. The costume itself did the job of making Gal into the Wonder Woman we all know – I just had to compliment that by creating a make-up which enhanced Gal’s natural beauty, and made her look radiant, healthy and glowing. It was important to both Patty and me that the make-up should not compete with the costume itself.

WP: Christine Blundell is the designer on the movie and there’s a very British crew. Had you worked with Christine? How did the collaborations work?

SB: I had never worked with Christine before – as this was my first movie. Christine was incredible, her experience and credits speak for themselves, and I was left to do what I know which was the make-up, but Christine was key for me as she taught me so much about the movie industry – it was like a movie bootcamp for me.

WP: How much input does Gal have in the looks you created for her – for face and body?

SB: Gal is so professional and loved what I did for her on the movie. Gal and I have both worked in fashion in the past (Gal was a model), so she understood exactly what I was doing make-up wise. As with most actors, she went with what our director, Patty, wanted.

WP: Combining beauty with action movies and fight scenes in particular requires tough, long-lasting products. What were your challenges and which products did you use for face and body?

SB: The surprising thing to a lot of people is that for her face make-up, I used the same products that I had been using for years in my pro kit. I think this is where spending years of bridal make-up helped – I was used to creating looks for brides that I would apply first thing in the morning and would last until the early hours of the next day. Yes, it had to be slightly thicker on the base because of the filming, but, on the whole, I was used to working with long lasting formulations. I still used the same premium brands that I have worked with and trusted for years, such as Chanel, la Mer, Armani, NARS and Tom Ford. I was by Gal’s side 24/7 and there were a lot of touch-ups, especially in the trenches where there was mud and also in scenes where we maybe had to spray water, or where she was on the ground or we were filming in the rain. Bodywise I had to learn that in a short space of time and it was where Christine Blundell’s expertise came in: using tanning products first and then products to add contour to the body. Doing it every day, by the end of the movie it became second nature.

WP: Where were the island scenes shot? Did you have heat to contend with too?

SB: We filmed for a month in Matera, Italy, where there was sun and heat (so we went through a lot of sunscreen), plus keeping the make-up on with the heat meant constant re-touching. We also had scenes on the beach in the sea, so again checks were very important to make sure that the water didn’t affect the look.

WP: There’s an underwater scene when Diana rescues Steve Trevor. What were the challenges that you had here?

SB: This was one of my biggest challenges, as this was shot in an underwater tank, and it was warm water which can make make-up melt. Gal was in there for hours and hours. Because my make-up is long lasting and I use products which don’t budge, I did the same make-up, with a setting spray on top – and it didn’t move. It was a very proud moment for me.

WP: In the trenches scenes, the wounds and blast injuries are kept accurate to what would have been seen in WW1. Who did the wounds on Gal?

SB: Gal didn’t have big wounds, they were more scratches and cuts. Again, Christine was key in showing me how to do this, which I then could do myself. That was really interesting for me, as I was just used to doing beauty, so it was fascinating to see how Christine did this and learn a new skill for myself.

WP: In many scenes, Gal’s character looks radiant amongst the others on screen. Was this achieved with product and lighting or in post?

SB: I can’t comment on what was done in post, but it’s a real compliment for you to say that – part of my skill as a make-up artist and why Patty bought me on board is because of the highlighting and skin work that I do. The lighting was also incredible, so it complimented my make-up skills.

WP: Diana’s lashes are exceptional – what’s your go-to product here? In particular, what glues did you use?

SB: Thank you! Gal has lovely lashes anyway which I enhanced with two different mascaras and then every day, I would apply individual lashes to the outer corner of the eyes – and I used my go-to eyelash glue which has always been Duo.

WP: While Gal’s overall look is established throughout the movie, her lip colour changes from pinks to berries, and deep reds as the action progresses. Talk us through how this develops.

SB: This was something that happened organically as we were filming. We filmed in so many different environments, from sunny Italy to dark, grey London and the lighting for these was totally different, plus Gal’s costumes changed throughout the movie. We always wanted her to look healthy, beautiful and glowing, so I adapted the lip colour to suit the costume and environment that we were shooting in.

WP: During the reshoots, Gal was pregnant. Was this a factor in the make-up products you used? Did you need to change anything?

SB: Not at all! Gal is just incredible. There were no products that I used on her that were unsuitable for pregnancy, so we kept everything exactly the same.
 
I think it's interesting to compare Patty Jenkins' direction with Kenneth Branagh (Thor) and Joe Johnson (CA:TFA). I think Branagh's Shakespearan background makes him more in tune with the whole Thor-Loki-Odin relationship, as it captures some of the classic Shakespeare themes, but when it comes to relationship between Thor and Jane I think Branagh faltered.

Johnson did a better job of establishing the romance between Steve and Peggy in TFA, but the lack of presence of Peggy during Steve's tour of duty with the Howling Commandos limited their relationship after he became Super Soldier, unlike Diana and Steve in WW who get to develop theirs all the way through. What surprised me the most is that I think Jenkins did a better job with the gritty World War I battles vs Johnson's WWII scenes. Jenkins was smart in giving us scenes where we can understand each soldier and their personality on Steve's team, but the infamous Howling Commandos did not get the same treatment and ended up as just faces in the crowd. Furthermore, Jenkins' careful chronicle of the battle at No Man's Land gave the movie its heart and soul, but in TFA there was no memorable battle scene, only a montage of what Capt. America and his Commandos did against Red Skull's factories. I do think the first half of the movie where we get to see Steve's transformation from a 98 lbs. weakling to a SS was what the second half should have been. It's obvious to me that Johnson pretty much rushed the movie after Steve joined the forces and it could have been avoided with a better script.

I do think Jenkins, by comparison, had a more solid script and better direction than her Marvel counterparts, and to think that she was once attached to Thor: The Dark World makes me believe that Feige really missed an opportunity to hire a director who could have made a difference in MCU.

For me there's a few issues with CA:TFA. Namely it's interesting up until he becomes Captain America. Then it's just a rush to the finish line with several montages that don't really add anything. Also WWII is rather cartoony and we don't really see the impact of the war on soldiers/people. Plus it is hamstrung a little by having to reference the larger MCU.

In contrast, WW doesn't shy away from the horror of war or the carnage of trench warfare. Yet doesn't let it sag the movie either, it's very balanced. Diana's reasons for becoming a hero are far more compelling, she's striving to end war. Diana's relationship with Steve is really central and the chemistry is incredible. Finally Diana herself is just so virtuous and compassionate yet fierce and determined.

I cannot wait to see her further exploits in JL and beyond!
 
I'm really hoping WW Rebirth comics will have a few stories concerning Sammie, Chief and Charlie. I don't know yet if the movie and the comics are even canon together, but it would be great to get a tale or two from Post WW1.
 
I'm really hoping WW Rebirth comics will have a few stories concerning Sammie, Chief and Charlie. I don't know yet if the movie and the comics are even canon together, but it would be great to get a tale or two from Post WW1.
They are part of the story in that Steve Trevor one-shot released a few weeks ago.

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Very nice interview.

It really sounds like the production of this film was about as smooth as can be, once Jenkins was on-board and they finalized the script.
 
For me there's a few issues with CA:TFA. Namely it's interesting up until he becomes Captain America. Then it's just a rush to the finish line with several montages that don't really add anything. Also WWII is rather cartoony and we don't really see the impact of the war on soldiers/people. Plus it is hamstrung a little by having to reference the larger MCU.

Only the very last scene, and I don't think it affected the movie, quite frankly.
 
The only thing that hamstrung TFA in that regard imo, was that the second half feels rushed because the wanted to get Cap frozen so that he could be in The Avengers. And TFA as a film suffers somewhat as a result. Although I do still quite like it overall.

WW has some similar elements to TFA, but does better imo.
 
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Just going through the image thread, and I know this is fanmade, but doesn't that look like Steve Trevor as a Green Lantern?

That I could see as a surprise for WW2, Steve coming back as a Green Lantern cause the ring chose him and got him out of the plane seconds before it blew.
 
Just going through the image thread, and I know this is fanmade, but doesn't that look like Steve Trevor as a Green Lantern?

That I could see as a surprise for WW2, Steve coming back as a Green Lantern cause the ring chose him and got him out of the plane seconds before it blew.

I thought GL looks more like Artie Hammer.
 
I thought GL looks more like Artie Hammer.


Yeah, but if you squint a lot, it looks like Steve Trevor.:woot:

Which again, would be a good way to get him back.:cwink: Probably the only way they could revive the character without it being a cheap Mcguffin.
 
Please don't make steve Trevor a GL, that would be so forced. Far worst than mystique becoming a big deal in X-Men universe because she is played by Jenifer Lawerence.
 
The thought is nice, but a large part of that is them following what Wilkinson and Snyder set up.
 
The thought is nice, but a large part of that is them following what Wilkinson and Snyder set up.

According to this article, Wonder Woman costume designer Lindy Hemming was involved for WW's earlier appearance also.

"While she was prepping Wonder Woman and costume designer Michael Wilkerson was updating the superhero's iconic supersuit for "Batman vs. Superman," Hemming set up meetings with him and director Zach Snyder to coordinate a seamless costume through-line back to Diana's origin story and vice versa."

https://fashionista.com/2017/06/wonder-woman-film-costumes

The article goes into more detail about the thinking behind the costumes.

Apparently Lindy Hemming worked on the Dark Knight trilogy, along with a ton of other stuff, and won an oscar for costume design in Topsy-Turvy (a movie about Gilbert and Sullivan).
 
guys,did any scene in this film imply that WW belive in humanity and entrust them by not doing interfere any war? i do not remember one of these at all.or i just have short memory?
 
guys,did any scene in this film imply that WW belive in humanity and entrust them by not doing interfere any war? i do not remember one of these at all.or i just have short memory?

In the end Diana says something along the lines off ''There's both good and Evil in mankind. What matters is what they chose to become and no hero can take away that choice''.

After the horrific events of WWI, Diana thought standing together and fighting alongside the humans is not the solution. Humans are still vulnerable and susceptible to manipulation by powerful, influential people. Her one goal was to eliminate Ares and restore goodness in mankind but that was basically just a foil to the already weak and corrupt minds of the humans. She still trusts humans to make the best choice for themselves but won't make herself publicly visible anymore. That's my takeaway.
 
In the end Diana says something along the lines off ''There's both good and Evil in mankind. What matters is what they chose to become and no hero can take away that choice''.

After the horrific events of WWI, Diana thought standing together and fighting alongside the humans is not the solution. Humans are still vulnerable and susceptible to manipulation by powerful, influential people. Her one goal was to eliminate Ares and restore goodness in mankind but that was basically just a foil to the already weak and corrupt minds of the humans. She still trusts humans to make the best choice for themselves but won't make herself publicly visible anymore. That's my takeaway.

^ This.

Just to add to that, Wonder Woman assumed the identity of Diana Prince after the events of World War 1, she wanted humans to sovle their problems, she trusted good side in them to prevail over their evil side.

I think Diana was still helping humans discreetly, without appearing as Wonder Woman again in public until the events of BvS happened and Superman died saving the world.

I think there was no need for Wonder Woman to appear again, unless gods like Ares started manipulating humans again, but since most of the gods were dead, there was no need for WW to be active, unless she wanted to participate in matters of humans.
 
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