All Things Wonder Woman: An Open Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 25

[jaymes_e06]

So disingenuous what Cameron is doing. I agree it was all just a publicity stunt to draw more attention to him bringing back Hamilton in TS.

 

[Dark Raven]

^ Exactlly, with all the praise and attention WW has got, he's trying to stay relevant. As if he should be the end all be all on how to portray strong women.
Also he criticizes Carter and Gadot for being in pageants, yet his own idealized leading male "actor" came out of Mr. Universe.

And let's not forget nude Kate Winslet in Titanic which was completely gratuitous. And Cameron felt the need to personally sketch her nude body himself, standing in for DiCaprio's hand.

He definitely isn't the authority on heroines and strong women. His idea of the strong action female actually feels very passé. Next he'll be saying male heroes can only be like Arnie and that more vulnerable ones are outdated.

 

[2kt09]

And let's not forget nude Kate Winslet in Titanic which was completely gratuitous. And Cameron felt the need to personally sketch her nude body himself, standing in for DiCaprio's hand.

Get outta town with these retorts.
In this "action" movie, is Kate Winslet playing a female action hero?

He definitely isn't the authority on heroines and strong women.His idea of the strong action female actually feels very passé. Next he'll be saying male heroes can only be like Arnie and that more vulnerable ones are outdated.

That was the go-to feminist view on what a female action hero should be.
Next he'll be pointing to the original Kyle Reese or lil' John Connor if he needs a male hero reference.
Arnie plays an emotionless robot for a reason amidst all the other times he played action hero who spout puns.

 

[Silver Lantern]

I can post here. I saw the news about Lynda dissing Cameron today and I have to agree with Lynda. Wonder Woman is a great character and I would rather see more WW movies than anymore Cameron movies. He is washed up, old news and even his Terminator movies are dull and crappy now. Jenkins should remain director and Lynda should lasso his ass up a flag pole and leave him there to throw eggs at him. Cameron sucks. You tell him. Leave WW alone Cameron your movies suck.

 

[DawnWarrior]

For real. 11 years to wait for a sequel to his dumb gajillion-dollar FX reel? How many Aquaman movies could he have made in that time?!

 

[AulaMagna]

Or it side steps the argument that feminine characters can be the standard for strength.

A female basketball player will be described as having skills like MJ or Kobe etc but you won't see a male player as having the non-gendered skills of ball control or off-the dribble play defined in comparison to a WNBA player as a compliment.

Cameron is basically admitting in his mind unless the female character can be compared to a man and be seen as cool on those terms it's not good. So he really doesn't get feminism and exposed himself. The fact people's compliments of Wonder Woman was positive on it's own without worrying about Batman and Superman or Cap. Sarah Connor(under Cameron) is really defined by her contradiction to feminine traits to the Die Hards and such but the character herself in later iterations is kinda trash(Chronicles aside personally) cause that comparison is basically her strength. Once Die Hard and 80s/90s action heroes stopped being the standard, Terminator flounced.

I believe what he meant to say was he thinks his characters have depth and how they look isn't important to who they are, he feels like Wonder Woman's more like a sexy shallow cardboard cut-out and while I think that's a little bit unfair with regards to Wonder Woman, it's bang on the money about her debut in Batman v Superman. That iteration came off the same conveyor belt as every other mysterious 90lbs femme-fatale that parrot "strong independent women" platitudes and it broke my heart

 

[jmc]

So disingenuous what Cameron is doing. I agree it was all just a publicity stunt to draw more attention to him bringing back Hamilton in TS.

It wasn’t a publicity stunt, he was asked a question about it and he gave an honest answer.

 

[jfurioso]

The problem is that he not merely states he prefers the Sarah Conner character to WW as an example of a heroic female character. He is free to do so. A lot of people may hold such preference. Everyone should have such freedom of choice. But he is basically saying WW is a categorically inferior heroic character in comparison. He is stating that only one type of heroic female character should cut the mustard in absolutist terms. That is reductive. It is narrow-sighted, narrow-minded and dismissive. It is such homogeneously limiting viewpoints which end up creating stereotypes and eliminating nuance in narratives.

If he had said he merely prefers his type of heroic character to one such as WW, and not defined WW as a "step backward" it would be less of an issue.
Because his choice of words show he considers female character a one-direction, single-lane path. How more reductive can you get?

 

[Micromind]

The problem is that he not merely states he prefers the Sarah Conner character to WW as an example of a heroic female character. He is free to do so. A lot of people may hold such preference. Everyone should have such freedom of choice. But he is basically saying WW is a categorically inferior heroic character in comparison. He is stating that only one type of heroic female character should cut the mustard in absolutist terms. That is reductive. It is narrow-sighted, narrow-minded and dismissive. It is such homogeneously limiting viewpoints which end up creating stereotypes and eliminating nuance in narratives.

If he had said he merely prefers his type of heroic character to one such as WW, and not defined WW as a "step backward" it would be less of an issue.
Because his choice of words show he considers female character a one-direction, single-lane path. How more reductive can you get?

Well said, that's the issue here. He cannot say that it's a step in backwards direction just because his personal preference is different.

In an attempt to paint Wonder Woman as a stereotype (in his opinion), Cameron is supporting another stereotype and claiming that he is right about this.

 

[green]

It wasn’t a publicity stunt, he was asked a question about it and he gave an honest answer.

Keep telling yourself that, he jumped at the chance in the original article to take a dig...after two paragraphs of fawning over Terminator 2.
The man is a hypocrite and misogynist.
You can't claim that you always use strong female characters made of grit who you don't sexualize and then make True Lies and Avatar.

 

[jmc]

This whole thing is just people making a mountain out of a mole hill. What Cameron thinks doesn't matter in the long run, him explaining and standing by his position isn't going to change the fact the film performed well above expectations and was loved by just about everyone. So really, none of this matters at all.

 

[Wonder89]

 

[AulaMagna]

Never mind.......

 

[Bwahaha!]

Patty Jenkins is awesome. It really seems like she is representing and promoting this film in a way that few directors have in recent memory. What an amazing ambassador for WW!

 

[UncleSam1776]

Never mind.......

Your best post.

 

[AulaMagna]

aren't you a funny little sausage UncleSam, we have a comedian in our hands

 

[Bagide]

Lol

 

[Enriquespy]

aren't you a funny little sausage UncleSam, we have a comedian in our hands

Well, honesty can be seen as funny.

 

[KillerWolf]

Your best post.

 

[Dark Raven]

I feel that in the UK, no-one seems to know this movie exists. Whenever you hear people talking about Wonder Woman on British TV even as recent as this month, they always use the 70s WW theme tune and talk about the 70s TV series and never make mention of this year's movie.

Usually when a new movie version of something has come out, people will try to be as current as possible and keep making reference to that as the most up-to-date version or the version that has superseded an old portrayal. But no. Everyone talks still as if the 2017 movie doesn't even exist and that all they have to go on is the 70s TV series. No-one ever uses the new WW theme tune at all or even makes a reference to Gal Gadot. It's always Lynda Carter.

I don't think this movie did very well over here but was almost a tiny blip on the radar. It's almost as if people think of it as a failed version that can fade into obscurity while everyone still clings to their beloved 70s version.

 

[AulaMagna]

Wonder Woman topped the UK box office 3 weekends in a row, it's just that, while you may have enjoyed this character, it doesn't quite register in the brain as Wonder Woman, as I have been jumped on and ridiculed for saying. I am vindicated

 

[Micromind]

Eh, we have no way of knowing whether those people who still think Lynda Carter is WW have seen the new movie.

 

[AulaMagna]

Wonder Woman, in the public mind, is star-spangled shorts, bullets & bracelets, lasso of truth - that is Wonder Woman's iconography and always will be. Swords, shields and hoplite armor are just not DISTINCTIVE enough to redefine who she is in the public conscience, that much I think is abundantly clear

 

[I Am The Knight]

Wonder Woman topped the UK box office 3 weekends in a row, it's just that, while you may have enjoyed this character, it doesn't quite register in the brain as Wonder Woman, as I have been jumped on and ridiculed for saying. I am vindicated

lol

Wonder Woman, in the public mind, is star-spangled shorts, bullets & bracelets, lasso of truth - that is Wonder Woman's iconography and always will be.

"bullets & bracelets, lasso of truth" those things were in the movie...

 

[Bagide]

Wonder Woman, in the public mind, is star-spangled shorts, bullets & bracelets, lasso of truth - that is Wonder Woman's iconography and always will be. Swords, shields and hoplite armor are just not DISTINCTIVE enough to redefine who she is in the public conscience, that much I think is abundantly clear

SMH...bruh!!