All Things Wonder Woman: An Open Discussion - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 25

[metaphysician]

Well, the story in the comic doesn't really work like that, in the sense that it's not Flash vs. Wonder Woman primarily. The WW in the alternate timeline is basically an evil, power mad version of the character, though.

I think it's unlikely that the Flashpoint movie will adapt the comic story directly in all aspects. The Atlanteans also have a pretty unflattering role in the comic.

More likely they will keep the basic concept, revolving around the Flash's personal story, but not all the details of the alternate timeline. However, that is just speculation on my part.

You know, an easy way to completely rework Flashpoint? Changing his past leads to Apokalips conquering, or at least devastating, the world. Apparently without the Flash there, the JLA *doesn't* win against Steppenwolf, or at least doesn't win in a clean way that leaves an intact world. He thus lands in that post-apocalyptic future WB seems keen to use.

Mind, this is a bad idea thematically on a couple levels, but I'd argue doing Flashpoint at *all* is bad thematic idea. This version is just less bad than "Planet of the Evil JLAers".

 

[Dark Raven]

I have two main reactions to this theorizing:

1. It would be a travesty to simply yank Wonder Woman's usage from the Flashpoint comic, and stick it in the movie. In the comic, she sucks, and doesn't embody any of the stuff that made the character go over with audiences. Even in an obviously temporary form, it'd be stupid to turn her into a warmongering villain, especially when they clearly want to use her as a draw for the movie.

2. One way you *could* use her, as a potential antagonist figure, while not being disrespectful? Barry changed the timeline, and *Diana knows*. She's a goddess, who walks around with the Lasso of Truth at hand. She sees through the change in the world and her own history, and knows that its. . . well, not a *lie* exactly, but not the only truth to the situation. And she has some pointed thoughts for Barry about this. Thus, in the first half, she serves as an antagonist, someone pursuing Barry who knows what has happened. Eventually, once she convinces Barry of why this was a bad idea, she becomes an ally, helping him put things right. And then, in the coda, with the world restored, she *continues* to help Barry, this time by providing him counsel on dealing with his grief and loss.

This could have potential. Maybe she only appears to be an antagonist to Barry. It's like these movies or TV shows where some kind of mysterious figure is pursuing the protagonist, only for the protagonist to find out later that it's not an enemy but a friend who is actually trying to help or to pull him or her out of this state.

But wouldn't that have the effect of making Diana the true hero of the movie instead of Barry? That would be fine for WW fans and perhaps the general audience, but if you were primarily a Flash fan you might feel cheated by that. It would be like Iron Man being the actual hero in another character's movie and the one to save the day.

But in Flashpoint, isn't it really revealed in the end that Barry is kind of the villain of the story, at least in an indirect way? He only thinks he's been the hero all that time until he truly realises what he has done.

But some of the existing DCEU before the WW movie already feels like it has suffered the Flashpoint effect with the world being so grim and dark, Superman fighting Batman, and Superman dying.

What if the DCEU took the bold step of saying that Flashpoint has already happened rather than it being something that Barry does in his own film? Then they could change certain things that already pre-exist in the DCEU that might not sit well with audiences. By undoing Flashpoint, they could have Superman be a much brighter character (as if this was the way he always was) or the JL could have been formed earlier with Superman involved.

They could even say that the line about Diana walking away from mankind and not being involved was caused by Flashpoint, and in the original timeline she was heavily involved throughout history as Wonder Woman. It was only Barry going back in time that changed that.

 

[Flemm]

What if the DCEU took the bold step of saying that Flashpoint has already happened rather than it being something that Barry does in his own film?

There's been some speculation that Flashpoint might be used to adjust certain aspects of the DCEU film continuity.

In the comics, Flashpoint was basically used that way, as it led into the New 52.

It's possible. With so little information about the film, though, it's entirely guesswork at this stage.

 

[metaphysician]

But wouldn't that have the effect of making Diana the true hero of the movie instead of Barry? That would be fine for WW fans and perhaps the general audience, but if you were primarily a Flash fan you might feel cheated by that. It would be like Iron Man being the actual hero in another character's movie and the one to save the day.

But in Flashpoint, isn't it really revealed in the end that Barry is kind of the villain of the story, at least in an indirect way? He only thinks he's been the hero all that time until he truly realises what he has done.

This is all a legitimate concern, especially "Diana the true hero". However, I think that such is unavoidable if you do the Flashpoint story. Its part of why I dislike the idea of doing that story at all, let alone as his first movie.

 

[dhandler01]

There's been some speculation that Flashpoint might be used to adjust certain aspects of the DCEU film continuity.

In the comics, Flashpoint was basically used that way, as it led into the New 52.

It's possible. With so little information about the film, though, it's entirely guesswork at this stage.

Originally Flashpoint was just supposed to be a story unto itself...it wasnt until later that the New 52 was added to it.

 

[Flemm]

Originally Flashpoint was just supposed to be a story unto itself...it wasnt until later that the New 52 was added to it.

The film could certainly just be a standalone Flash story, with appearances from other JLA members in the alternate universe, but changing nothing about the main continuity.

That's probably just as likely. No way to know at this point.

 

[Greenlite]

Sorry for the question, any ideas on designing a girly Wonder Woman cake for my girl who's gonna be 2 around JL's release? Wife doesn't like most in google images =(

 

[SupermanFanboy]

Pre-orders are estimating September for the Digital/DVD release of the film. Does that sound correct? I am really eager to own this film and watch it over and over again.

The Digital Release will be on ITunes at the end of this month I saw on my Apple tv

 

[Micromind]

Sorry for the question, any ideas on designing a girly Wonder Woman cake for my girl who's gonna be 2 around JL's release? Wife doesn't like most in google images =(

I don't know about the Cake but you can get a WW kid from ("LEGO DC Super Hero Girls") drawn on the cake.

Spoiler

It's from this animated series, -


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[Greenlite]

I don't know about the Cake but you can get a WW kid from ("LEGO DC Super Hero Girls") drawn on the cake.

Spoiler

It's from this animated series, -


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Oh that's cute! Thanks!

 

[Dark Raven]

I don't know about the Cake but you can get a WW kid from ("LEGO DC Super Hero Girls") drawn on the cake.

Spoiler

It's from this animated series, -


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Who is the girl next to WW in the pic? And who is Bumblebee? Sounds like a Transformer. And who is the girl in the green and purple with the L on her shirt in the video?

 

[UncleSam1776]

Who is the girl next to WW in the pic?

Poison Ivy

And who is Bumblebee? Sounds like a Transformer.

Teen Titans character

And who is the girl in the green and purple with the L on her shirt in the video?

Lena Luthor

 

[haephestus]

In the group pic? That's Poison Ivy. Bumblebee is Bumblebee. Not overly familiar with her comic history, maybe a Teen Titans member, but she's not a Transformer!

The L girl is Lena Luthor who has a villainous role in the series.

 

[Micromind]

And who is Bumblebee?

Bumblebee is a DC Comics character.

And who is the girl in the green and purple with the L on her shirt in the video?

Lena Luthor.

 

[Dark Raven]

Ok thanks. I thought Lena Luthor isn't normally a villain.

Anyone think that Wonder Woman might one day be selected for preservation in the United States National Film Registry by the Library of Congress as being "culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant"? That, of course, can only happen once the movie is 10 years old at least. Although, oddly enough, Superman the Movie hasn't been selected, while other films like Star Wars, ET, Ghostbusters, Back to the Future and many others have been. No superhero movie, just like the Oscars.

 

[jaymes_e06]

Does Lynda Carter have a Star on the walk of fame? Anyone know?

 

[Dark Raven]

Does Lynda Carter have a Star on the walk of fame? Anyone know?

Next year

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jun/23/lynda-carter-1970s-woman-woman-among-24-stars-to-j/

 

[Blitzkrieg]

From the Japanese premier:

 

[Blitzkrieg]

Gal wasn't present at the premier so she greeted the crowd in a video

 

[Blitzkrieg]

 

[UncleSam1776]

Gal wasn't present at the premier so she greeted the crowd in a video

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[Dark Raven]

Dang — looks like those women-only “Wonder Woman” screenings were illegal

http://www.salon.com/2017/08/08/woman-woman-women-only-screenings-lawsuit/

Turns out that when men whined about being banned from the screenings, they had a legal point

An Austin movie theater is being accused of violating anti-discrimination laws after promoting women-only screenings of “Wonder Woman.” In June, Alamo Drafthouse, a theater chain, announced it would be holding the women-only screenings in Austin. It later expanded those screenings to New York and Denver.

Now, the chain has apologized for the screenings in a letter to the city. Drafthouse admitted their advocacy of a film screening for women was in violation of anti-discrimination laws in Austin, Texas. The apology follows an outpouring of dissent from men who claim they felt discriminated against, resulting in two official complaints to be filed with the city.

“Respondent did not realize that advertising a ‘women’s-only’ screening was a violation of discrimination laws,” the theater wrote to the city. “Respondent has a very strict non-discrimination policy in place, but this policy did NOT include a specific prohibition against advertising.”

The complaints were filed by Albany law professor Stephen Clark and an anonymous man. Clark, a gay lawyer specializing in sexual orientation and employment law, explained that the promotion of the screenings didn’t sit well with him. “I’m a specialist in anti-discrimination law, so I was fairly certain that this was not lawful,” he told myStatesman. “If they were trying to do a gay-only ‘Brokeback Mountain,’ I would feel the same way.”

As it turns out, the complaints have at least some legal merit. Austin city equality codes ban any public accommodation — such as a movie theater — from limiting their services from individuals based on factors including race, color, sex, sexual orientation and gender identification. It’s a situation even Wonder Woman couldn’t fix.

In an attempt to appease those who complained, the chain is offering to send these men DVDs of “Wonder Woman,” and will update their discrimination policies in addition to sending a letter out to their staff. If the men do not accept these terms, the city may launch an investigation into the reports and the theater could face possible persecution.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BXhbBPBDF5w/

 

[whenforeverisnt]

Dang — looks like those women-only “Wonder Woman” screenings were illegal

http://www.salon.com/2017/08/08/woman-woman-women-only-screenings-lawsuit/

Turns out that when men whined about being banned from the screenings, they had a legal point

Well then I guess no more Men's nights at all those other theaters.

 

[Osiris-Rex]

In dustup over ‘Wonder Woman’ screenings, Alamo offers men free DVDs

Promoting female-only “Wonder Woman” screenings was a violation of Austin’s equality laws, the Alamo Drafthouse acknowledged in a letter to the city last month.

To settle the anti-discrimination complaints, the Drafthouse has offered to send each of the men who filed a complaint a DVD of the film.


The city processed two formal complaints against the theater for the two female-only screenings in June, one from Albany, N.Y., law professor Stephen Clark and the other from an unidentified man, claiming sex discrimination.
City equality laws ban a public accommodation such as a movie theater from limiting its service, or indicating through advertising that it will limit it, based on race, sex, sexual orientation or other factors.


http://www.statesman.com/news/local...-offers-men-free-dvds/zSYydmROz9VLCN1Ee4dAMP/