Comics Amazing Spider-Man #561

[Styleshift]

Actually, I was. In my mind it was the perfect way to "reboot" the character, and within the continuity of a long existing, standing canon-story. I didn't see the 20 intervening years as any less valid than I look at the marriage years now.

Good point. it altered NOTHING. t:
each and every story still made logical sense. (until they prolonged it of course.)

just because it wasn't the real peter didn't mean it hurt the experience of reading your back issues.

these days going back and reading a book where it clearly says: mary jane watson-parker
really hurts the book in most cases... casual fans will think they are divorced anyways....


the bad thing about the clone saga however is the mystery was never solved. at the end it indicates the real peter is dead. but maybe thats why "he" has unmasked himself and made a deal with Mephisto knowing something bad will come out of it...lol.

(the skeleton with the spidey mask, the clones are supposed to become dust when they expire.)

all in all i think it would have been a interesting choice if pete and ben destroyed the answer to who the clone was and chose there own destiny...

 

[Doc Destruction]

Someone had to say it? Everyone has said that Sins Past is a ****ty story.

God, Doc, you're such a rebel for hating Sins Past!

No no, not that...there was too much Sins Past love in THIS THREAD. That's all I was inferring. Trust me, I'm aware of the level of hate for that POS story.

 

[iloveclones]

You know, I'm going to have to rethink my stance on Sins Past. I tend to give more weight to stories when they're relevent. I really thought SP would just fade away into the dust bin of forgotten comics. But now when I see how passionate people are, I'm thinking that maybe it's more "important" than i thought.

 

[carnageehw]

(the skeleton with the spidey mask, the clones are supposed to become dust when they expire.)

Interesting, though I expect the real reason is just because the original writers didn't take degeneration into account

all in all i think it would have been a interesting choice if pete and ben destroyed the answer to who the clone was and chose there own destiny...

Damn. There's some excellent ideas on the clone saga going around.

 

[Jack O Lantern]

the bad thing about the clone saga however is the mystery was never solved. at the end it indicates the real peter is dead. but maybe thats why "he" has unmasked himself and made a deal with Mephisto knowing something bad will come out of it...lol.

(the skeleton with the spidey mask, the clones are supposed to become dust when they expire.)

Actually they're not. Ben should not have yurned to dust.

all in all i think it would have been a interesting choice if pete and ben destroyed the answer to who the clone was and chose there own destiny...

That's what happened in the 1st Clone Story; Peter didn't look at the evidence because he decided he was the oringial based on his feelings for MJ

 

[Doc Destruction]

You know, I'm going to have to rethink my stance on Sins Past. I tend to give more weight to stories when they're relevent. I really thought SP would just fade away into the dust bin of forgotten comics. But now when I see how passionate people are, I'm thinking that maybe it's more "important" than i thought.

It's not.

 

[iloveclones]

Maybe it is.

 

[Doc Destruction]

Only to people who love crappy shoehorned retcons and poor characterization.

 

[Miken Ayers]

Interesting, though I expect the real reason is just because the original writers didn't take degeneration into account


Damn. There's some excellent ideas on the clone saga going around.

Clones degenerate due to old age. If you can call it that. They're not supposed to dissolve if they die unnatural deaths. Bob Harras only had Ben dissolve to drive home the fact he's the clone.

 

[Styleshift]

Actually they're not. Ben should not have yurned to dust.


That's what happened in the 1st Clone Story; Peter didn't look at the evidence because he decided he was the oringial based on his feelings for MJ

Than they should have left it that way....
Just like they should have left the JMS Spider-man origin ambiguous...I actually liked the idea that they let the reader believe which ever origin they liked best. It was just one more reason we had such a large retcon and if they admitted it, it probably would have hurt JMS' rep even more than sins past...so i guess i can understand...

 

[imdaly]

Clones degenerate due to old age. If you can call it that. They're not supposed to dissolve if they die unnatural deaths. Bob Harras only had Ben dissolve to drive home the fact he's the clone.

Funny thing is that it still doesn't necessarily finalize the "Who's the REAL Peter Parker" question, seeing as how the Peter Parker we've followed around all these years has STILL not technically been proven to not also be a clone. We know that Ben was a clone...but that doesn't necessarily mean that Peter isn't a clone too, but that's what everyone's assumed.

 

[Themanofbat]

Funny thing is that it still doesn't necessarily finalize the "Who's the REAL Peter Parker" question, seeing as how the Peter Parker we've followed around all these years has STILL not technically been proven to not also be a clone. We know that Ben was a clone...but that doesn't necessarily mean that Peter isn't a clone too, but that's what everyone's assumed.

Especially when the skeleton sub-plot from Sensational Spider-Man #2 was never followed up on... so technically, the REAL Peter Parker could have been dead since 1975...

 

[Miken Ayers]

Funny thing is that it still doesn't necessarily finalize the "Who's the REAL Peter Parker" question, seeing as how the Peter Parker we've followed around all these years has STILL not technically been proven to not also be a clone. We know that Ben was a clone...but that doesn't necessarily mean that Peter isn't a clone too, but that's what everyone's assumed.

The spider Gods from The Other wouldn't waste their time with a clone. That's how we know.

 

[imdaly]

Especially when the skeleton sub-plot from Sensational Spider-Man #2 was never followed up on... so technically, the REAL Peter Parker could have been dead since 1975...

Exactly.

 

[Miken Ayers]

Especially when the skeleton sub-plot from Sensational Spider-Man #2 was never followed up on... so technically, the REAL Peter Parker could have been dead since 1975...

Glory Grant died in 9/11.

 

[imdaly]

The spider Gods from The Other wouldn't waste their time with a clone. That's how we know.

Ahh, but how could the Spider Gods be sure? Are we to assume that they know the difference between a clone and the original?

 

[Miken Ayers]

Ahh, but how could the Spider Gods be sure? Are we to assume that they know the difference between a clone and the original?

Yes. Besides editorial swore up and down it is the real Peter despite any open ended clues left because they didn't want to waste anymore time on a story that left a poop taste in everyone's mouth.

 

[Styleshift]

Ahh, but how could the Spider Gods be sure? Are we to assume that they know the difference between a clone and the original?

After all they were going to be tricked by Ezekiel a man whom peter shares no dna with.

Love or hate the clone saga. Marvel ignoring plot elements HAS got to stop.
It was such an interesting story too.

not only that but they have gone to the length of ignoring a great Spidey rouge thats been around since the 70s because of the clone saga....the jackal.

 

[maxred]

I think we have gone off course in this thread. It is about Amazing #561. We're suppose to be talking about MJ jumping in bed with the movie star, not Gwen jumping into bed with Norman.

I don't know if you guys knew, about MJ and Carr, but they didn't do "it". They were on the bed and about to do "it", but were interrupted by Paper Doll. I saw a picture of them in the comics section of the message boards on www.spidermancrawlspace.com, go there and see for yourselves, then tell the others about it, HURRY!

 

[carnageehw]

I don't know if you guys knew, about MJ and Carr, but they didn't do "it". They were on the bed and about to do "it", but were interrupted by Paper Doll. I saw a picture of them in the comics section of the message boards on www.spidermancrawlspace.com, go there and see for yourselves, then tell the others about it, HURRY!

No one shares a bed with someone at they place they live at if they're not doing it.

 

[Styleshift]

No one shares a bed with someone at they place they live at if they're not doing it.

Indeed....especially after a kiss like that.

 

[maxred]

Yeah, I understand, not to mention the fact that they had to make a deal, by all beings, Mephisto! But, we all know who's fault it is, right?. Besides, I just want people to know what's going on, instead of them thinking what they (MJ & Carr) did in bed, you know?

One more thing, I can only imagine what might happen if Peter finds out about this.

 

[Styleshift]

Yeah, I understand, not to mention the fact that they had to make a deal, by all beings, Mephisto! But, we all know who's fault it is, right?. Besides, I just want people to know what's going on, instead of them thinking what they (MJ & Carr) did in bed, you know?

One more thing, I can only imagine what might happen if Peter finds out about this.

Than it'll feel like his long time ex is with someone else.
It all depends on how they broke them up in BND. and we don't know yet...

There is a hint that Pete is mad at Mj. look how he acts towards her during the opening pages of BND. (end of OMD.) Mj looks sad...Pete is a lil iffy towards her...and flash asks if things are still icy between them.

this issue hints at her knowing that they possibly were married.

 

[maxred]

So, you're saying that MJ and Carr did actually do "it". I'm sorry, I misinterpret the image. You see, when I read what Joe Q did, when he made stories like "Trouble", "Sins Pasts and Remembered", "the Other", "Civil War" as well as the "Unmasking", then what he was about to do, or did, in OMD/BND, I stop reading the comics.

I really thought..., I really hope... . No, no I should've known, I should've expected less from this garbage. I understand the comics been declining, correct? GOOD, good, because this will serve as another example of Joe Q's..."genius". Right now, all I want, what everyone else wants, is for these two, Peter and Mary Jane, to get back together again, it doesn't matter if they're not married, anymore, I just want them back.

 

[Doc Destruction]

Queue Blader correcting maxred about not everyone wanting them back together, like a good shill.