Arrow Arrow S3 E1 The Calm

[Human Torch]

No, it doesn't. You could be the most proficient fighter in the known world, and it wouldn't make you invincible or stop you from getting killed in the most random of circumstances.

If you pick any other hero in the pantheon of comics and had them go out that way,people would be understandably perturbed.The only (poor) excuse people are trying to give for this being a satisfactory hero's exit is "We knew it was coming".

 

[DigificWriter]

^ I vehemently disagree. A heroic police officer being a victim of a random street shooting doesn't make him or her suddenly less heroic, nor does it somehow diminish his or her skills.

Sara dying the way that she did in no way diminishes her skills or her heroism.

 

[Human Torch]

But this isn't "real life".It's fiction.You're expected to get some kind of entertainment value out of it.The writers obviously think this is going to be the best storyline since "Who shot JR?" but anyone who was actually a fan of the character would feel she deserved to go out in a more fulfilling way.

 

[DigificWriter]

^ The best fiction always reflects real life in some way, even if it's dealing with entirely fantastic subject matter.

 

[Verick808]

Her death was supposed to be unsatisfying and perturbing and less than she deserved. It was kind of the point. They wouldn't have broken her neck after hitting a dumpster if it was supposed to be otherwise. She was betrayed and pushed over the side of a betrayed and put down like an animal and that is the beginning or Black Canary's origin story. This is the equivalent to Bruce Wayne's parents being shot down in a dark dirty alley.

 

[DigificWriter]

anyone who was actually a fan of the character would feel she deserved to go out in a more fulfilling way.

Please don't presume to speak for every single fan of the character.

 

[Human Torch]

Please don't presume to speak for every single fan of the character.

Please don't be so condescending.

 

[JC00]

Please don't presume to speak for every single fan of the character.

Well i'm a fan of the character and I can say he speaks for me.

They wouldn't have broken her neck after hitting a dumpster if it was supposed to be otherwise. .

Maybe her back broke but there is no way her neck broke.

But this isn't "real life".It's fiction.You're expected to get some kind of entertainment value out of it.The writers obviously think this is going to be the best storyline since "Who shot JR?" but anyone who was actually a fan of the character would feel she deserved to go out in a more fulfilling way.

I mean would it have killed them to have her swat an arrow or two away and maybe throw her bo staff at them before the killing shots were inflicted?

Huntress caught an arrow. Al-Owal caught an arrow with his back turned.

They built Sara up as this almost perfect assassin warrior and then she is too slow to see the person pull their bow to swat one or two away?

Moira put up as good as fight as her and Moira scarified herself to be killed.

 

[Verick808]

Maybe her back broke but there is no way her neck broke.

My mistake' thought she broke her neck. Really doesn't matter either way. It was a dark death. It was never meant to be an inspirational moment.

 

[MichaelChen]

I would have prefered she go out more like Supergirl in Crisis on Infinite Earths.

 

[TheHighlander]

^ I vehemently disagree. A heroic police officer being a victim of a random street shooting doesn't make him or her suddenly less heroic, nor does it somehow diminish his or her skills.

Sara dying the way that she did in no way diminishes her skills or her heroism.

Completely agree and its a way of her dying and not making the other person have more skill or better skill. She just didn't expect that.

 

[coluanprime]

I loved Sara and while I'm sad to see her go, I fail to see why her last moments affect her legacy of her life. (Both the good parts and the bad parts)

 

[Human Torch]

Well i'm a fan of the character and I can say he speaks for me.



Maybe her back broke but there is no way her neck broke.



I mean would it have killed them to have her swat an arrow or two away and maybe throw her bo staff at them before the killing shots were inflicted?

Huntress caught an arrow. Al-Owal caught an arrow with his back turned.

They built Sara up as this almost perfect assassin warrior and then she is too slow to see the person pull their bow to swat one or two away?

Moira put up as good as fight as her and Moira scarified herself to be killed.

Exactly.

I think it would've been cool if they did something akin to Boromir's death,where she's taking on 5 guys,put two or three down,then Ra's or whoever starts tagging her with arrows.Then,her body falls off the roof.Boom.You have a memorable death of a worthy warrior.

The way they did it reminds me of Kirk's death in Generations.You have a guy that fought & beat the best,and the best they could come up with for his "Grand Finale",is that he died....falling off a shaky bridge....trying to get a remote control.

 

[los pollos]

Her death was supposed to be unsatisfying and perturbing and less than she deserved. It was kind of the point.

I don't buy it, even unsatisfying deaths can still be done with enough care to not make the dying character come off as being treated like an afterthought to writers/directors. I have seen unsatisfying deaths in other tv shows and movies that were done so much better and still actually make me feel like I was punched in the gut emotionally, even if I already knew the character was going to die. If I don't feeling anything from watching one of the major characters on a tv show get killed off, it means the writers/directors failed in the execution of the scene, or the scenes leading up to it. I felt something for the deaths of Moira, Tommy, and Shado, but not for Sara, a character who I like better than the latter three, which is why her death feels disrespectful. Let me be clear though, the actual scene in and of itself wasn't my issue, it was the way her character was reintroduced in to show, only to die two scenes later before I could even get used to her being back.

 

[Arrowshieldfan]

just move on..........sara is dead this is suppose to be a shocking death and there no way she could react fast enough

 

[Herolee10]

just move on..........sara is dead this is suppose to be a shocking death and there no way she could react fast enough

Plus, the episode did somewhat establish, prior to Sara's death, that anyone with great fighting skills can be caught off guard and take a hit....in Sara's case, a lethal one.

We saw Oliver get stab with an injection of Vertigo to his neck by a dude who Oliver should normally be able to beat in hand-to-hand combat.

 

[Human Torch]

Plus, the episode did somewhat establish, prior to Sara's death, that anyone with great fighting skills can be caught off guard and take a hit....in Sara's case, a lethal one.

We saw Oliver get stab with an injection of Vertigo to his neck by a dude who Oliver should normally be able to beat in hand-to-hand combat.

Frankly I thought (and I did mention it before) that was pretty poor writing as well.

Look,all you guys that want to act like the 2 or 3 people still complaining about this should "let it go" and "move on",try to remember it's been like two days since the episode aired.When we're still ******* about it in May,feel free to say something.

Be satisfied that you got your way and allow those of us that expected better from this show to be disappointed for the time being.

 

[The Sage]

Great premiere. I had no issue with the way Sara went out. Whoever it was caught her off guard and was a friendly, likely the reason her defenses were down. It's hard to say it was senseless or meaningless until I see how it plays out, which I'm really looking forward to. I liked the ending. Completely unexpected.

Roy may have the flashier costume, but Ollie has the cooler bow.

 

[JC00]

I don't get the caught off guard stuff. She was looking right at them she had to see them with a bow in their hand and then reach for the arrow.

Al-Owal caught an arrow with his back turned and Oliver not in sight. Yet we are suppose to buy that it was someone she trusted so she was caught off guard starring right at them when they aimed a bow and shot her?

Better writing would have been the person not even saying anything and Sara just getting shot as she was leaving least them I might buy the off guard thing.

 

[The Sage]

I don't get the caught off guard stuff. She was looking right at them she had to see them with a bow in their hand and then reach for the arrow.

Al-Owal caught an arrow with his back turned and Oliver not in sight. Yet we are suppose to buy that it was someone she trusted so she was caught off guard starring right at them when they aimed a bow and shot her?

Better writing would have been the person not even saying anything and Sara just getting shot as she was leaving least them I might buy the off guard thing.

Al-Owal could've had better fighting senses than she did. I can't remember, but did Sara catch arrows previously?

Anyone think Sara could've been in town on an assignment to kill someone?

 

[Tv's Phil]

Or maybe even skilled fighters make mistakes or don't react quick enough.
Imagine telling present day Bat-God fans that he'd nearly be killed by Bane. The scenario presented is one usually brushed off as "that wouldn't happen."


It's sad to see her go but who knows who shot her and what they were doing as she stood there. That's what Oliver seems to be trying to find out. Maybe there were two people, one behind the other.

I chalk how it was presented up as kind of a standard tv/movie stylized character death. In real life, we don't really act how they do on tv. But that's not interesting.

If she had gotten into another action scene prior to her death before the episode ends, it might've ruined the mystery presented or telegraphed to more people that she was going to die. This way it was sudden, shocking and impactful while setting up what may be a longer arc.

I'm hopeful that putting Laurel on her path this early means the progress will feel earned.
I kinda hope she isn't full on Black Canary until the last episode or two.

 

[JC00]

If she had gotten into another action scene prior to her death before the episode ends, it might've ruined the mystery presented or telegraphed to more people that she was going to die. This way it was sudden, shocking and impactful while setting up what may be a longer arc.

Who is saying there should have been some action scene where she fends off attackers only to get murdered in the next scene?

Most people complaining are saying she should have put up some kind of effort before the death blow came.

She literally stands there for a few seconds before she is shot. I mean unless the killer was Barry Allen she had to see that the person with a bow and arrow and them bringing the bow up and aiming it. It's not like she got taken out with a sniper rifle or even just a regular gun.

 

[Boy Scout]

It probably would've been more satisfying if she had been taken out by a rifle.

 

[Verick808]

Could have been two people. The one she saw and the one who shot her. If it was Komodo he has a daughter, kinda, that he works with at times. Didn't hear any casting news that would support that though. Honestly people are getting overly upset about how easily she died when we dont even know all the circumstances. It wouldn't surprise me if they have the full scene filmed and are just going to release it in a later episode.

 

[The_Manhunter]

I wish they would have killed Felicity instead of Sara.