Arrow Arrow Season 3, Episode 5 "The Secret Origin of Felicity Smoak" General Discussion

[JC00]

Except she has no way of knowing if his health will improve. For all she knows, he'll have that heart condition for the rest of his life. So is she just going to never tell him and hope that he never catches on? Oh and I think that him finding out that his not only is one of his daughter's dead, but that his other daughter was keeping it from him/lying right to his face all this time might very well be even WORSE for his health than if she just told him the truth. It's manufactured drama purely for it's own sake.

Not saying it isn't stupid. I'm just saying going off the history of the character it's logical not contrived.

 

[Human Torch]

Everyone seems so certain it's not Roy and just a diversion.But,then I ask,who the heck could it be?As I said before,it had to be someone she trusted implicitly,not to put up a defensive posture.That leaves Nyssa and someone from Team Arrow.

Surprise-surprise,it's someone from Team Arrow.It would be far fetched,NOT to be.

The question is,who manipulated Roy?

I don't buy the end twist for a second. It strikes as a red herring... a Red Arrow herring. I do wish they'd just get on with it already though.

Finally, Diggle in a mask.

The Thea duplicity is chipping away at some of the appreciation I'd built for the character. That reads corny, but after being initially unlikable, she had a deal of growth and maturity. The 'everyone is lying to me' bit even played pretty well, even though I'm usually of the mind that people should mind their own bloody business. Her latest behavior is eyeroll worthy giving the hissyfits she was throwing earlier.

Speaking of unlikeable, I'm starting to believe the writers are trolling us with Laurel. Is there really a reason so many of her decisions at this point end with a scolding from someone on how she screwed something up. Last week it was winding Nyssa up re going after Merlyn. This week, sending in a SWAT team or whatever and exacerbating matters. I hesitate to go back further because Zeus knows what I'll set off. OK, you want to show misplaced rage, eventually channeled productively and inevitably leading to fishnets. Fine. Just bloody get there without the continued backsliding.

Felicity's ex-boyfriend annoyed me at every turn, right up to and beyond the predictable reveal. Oliver could have saved himself a good amount of trouble had he just launched an arrow with a blunt edge (or something to knock him out) before announcing his presence and giving the little pratt time to mouth off. Ugh. Never bring him back.

It's already been hit on, but we need more Ray Palmer. I still don't fully know what to make of the news that Routh was being fit for some face mold, but get him more involved.

Did I make my Red Arrow herring joke? Yes? k, I'm done.

They've been doing the one step forward-two steps back dance with Laurel since forever.I don't expect that to change soon.It seems she was only in this episode to hit us over the head yet again with "Yes, don't forget,she's going to become BLACK CANARY."

I think everyone saw Cooper being brother eye coming a mile off.


I agree. Roy definitely needs a personality injection. I don't know if it is the writers or Colton Hayes fault but his characters default setting seems to be either angry, upset or worried. It would be nice if he showed a more light hearted side at some point.

The writers are at fault here.They've done next to nothing towards discussing his role as sidekick/partner.Hell,5 episodes in and he doesn't even have a code name.

As somebody said,I guess this is what Diggle fans went through last year.(Not that Digg has had a 5 star storyline this year either) I guess Roy's storyline is about to heat up,though.

 

[zenith16]

Everyone seems so certain it's not Roy and just a diversion.But,then I ask,who the heck could it be?As I said before,it had to be someone she trusted implicitly,not to put up a defensive posture.That leaves Nyssa and someone from Team Arrow.

Surprise-surprise,it's someone from Team Arrow.It would be far fetched,NOT to be.

The question is,who manipulated Roy?

he used no gloves in that dream of his, if it was him then team arrow is a team of morons to not scan the arrows for prints , seeing that he has a record & all . if this is a trama memory thing with him.

Besides not getting a real forensic expert to help shorten the list of people that killed her not waste their time running around accusing people & taking just their word for it when they say it wasn't them. now that her body is in the grave .... wow they seriously screwed up not to notice so much with her body at their layer . That's why.

 

[Human Torch]

I don't think we could read too much into Roy's dream in terms of accuracy.I mean,he was fully suited up that night.(He disarmed a bomb,if I remember correctly)So,it could be that he's only remembering it as "civilian Roy".I doubt he ran home for a change of clothes,then jumped back to the roof,hoping to catch Sara still there.


It could still be somebody other than Roy,but it still had to be somebody she trusted.So the suspect list is very short.

 

[zenith16]

I don't think we could read too much into Roy's dream in terms of accuracy.I mean,he was fully suited up that night.(He disarmed a bomb,if I remember correctly)So,it could be that he's only remembering it as "civilian Roy".I doubt he ran home for a change of clothes,then jumped back to the roof,hoping to catch Sara still there.


It could still be somebody other than Roy,but it still had to be somebody she trusted.So the suspect list is very short.

someone she knows yep, him(roy)... that's iffy it was ether someone she knows from the league of shadows someone she's knows in town, that isn't a part of team arrow. if it's the LOS it could be a nondescript person or someone we haven't met yet, seeing the person talked to her before wasteing her.

 

[Human Torch]

It's generally a poor mystery if you set up a "who done it?" and have the culprit be someone the audience has never met.

 

[zenith16]

It's already poor over all already just running around accusing people . just taki it wasn't me with out fallow up. the very thiing most people that are good detective's count out to bad cops & tell them they should quit after the latter has shown how bad they are their jobs as cops .

they have to resolve this in a better way otherwise they shouldn't have used this as plot at all. Well this show won't win any awards, that's for sure . I wasn't expecting it, But they assured it . Mostly due to writers though.

 

[JC00]

It's already poor over all already just running around accusing people .

They've accused exactly two people, Komodo and Merlyn and both times there was reason to accuse them.

 

[Nathan]

I say they watched some Young Justice, and are going with the brainwashed Roy angle.

 

[zenith16]

They've accused exactly two people, Komodo and Merlyn and both times there was reason to accuse them.

With no real fallow up on their alibi's with the former and just words with Malcom . yeah he care's about thea fine, "He's clear." most Detective's look further if this is a really a who did it..... you don't do those kind of stories if you won't have the main characters do that.

 

[Nathan]

They followed up on Komodo's alibi. He's was in Bludhaven, killed two targets at the time Sara was killed. And with Malcolm all they have is his word, but they also have no other proof.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Malcolm also has zero motivation at all.

 

[zenith16]

yes Komodo's alibi just his word alone he was in Bludhaven and no one else that saw him at the club he was drunk at supposedly . ollie can't be bothered any farther to look into that cause the writers too lazy. Malcom yeah he had no reason other then it would tick ollie off and bring pain, but other the that he and no other reason. he has thea being trained as his though but he didn't say and ollie doesn't know about that & can't ask her if he doesn't know

 

[Nathan]

There were two kills in Bludhaven with the same mo. They didn't need his word. They just needed to check Police reports.

 

[zenith16]

but he said he was drunk off his ass too over there when she was killed at that time they didn't need word yeah they did cause those MO's were supposedly prior to that so yeah he needs one other wise there no point in asking so he ca say that he was a ta club for him to say he was drunk . people must have seen him

 

[Nathan]

And in the next scene with Ollie and Laurel back at the club, Ollie tells Laurel that there were two murders in Bludhaven with the same mo. So Komodo's alibi checks out. Can we put this to rest now?

 

[zenith16]

And in the next scene with Ollie and Laurel back at the club, Ollie tells Laurel that there were two murders in Bludhaven with the same mo. So Komodo's alibi checks out. Can we put this to rest now?

All this took place prior to him saying he was drunk in a club in Bludhaven for people to see him.
Ollie needs people to tell him that part to confirm commode was drunk off his ass as he claimed the very moment sara was killed as he said that what that guy told him. He was drunk in a club the very moment with people around him.

 

[Frodo]

yes Komodo's alibi just his word alone he was in Bludhaven and no one else that saw him at the club he was drunk at supposedly . ollie ca't be bothered ay farther tolook ito thet cause the writers too lazy. Malcom yeah he had no reason other then it would tick ollie off and bring pain, but other the that he and no other reason. he has thea being trained as his though but he didn't say and ollie doesn't know about that & ca't ask her if he doesn't know

I do feel as if there's a spark missing from the show. I'm still entertained by it but it doesn't feel like it has a drive or a momentum towards something as the other seasons did. Laurel seems like the only character who's moving toward a new chapter in her life , Diggle has a daughter , and Thea is training but other than that, everyone else kinda seems to be going through the motions and orbiting Starling city. I think killing Moira Queen may have taken away some of the tension between the characters in addition to the writers sort of abandoning the concept of the list .

Hopefully it will start to pick up some sparks as the season goes forward with Ras Al Ghul and The LOS.

 

[Primal Slayer]

he used no gloves in that dream of his, if it was him then team arrow is a team of morons to not scan the arrows for prints , seeing that he has a record & all . if this is a trama memory thing with him..

How are they morons? How many people do you or they know who throw arrows? I didn't see anyone suggest to scan the arrow for finger prints before this revelation.

 

[zenith16]

How are they morons? How many people do you or they know who throw arrows? I didn't see anyone suggest to scan the arrow for finger prints before this revelation.

most people in forensic's do that with most weapon's regardless ( well except may be bullets when they look for striation's the marking's from the gun the bullet left.) just in the hopes the kill made a mistake. but your Right people don't throw arrow's that true. lol

I do feel as if there's a spark missing from the show. I'm still entertained by it but it doesn't feel like it has a drive or a momentum towards something as the other seasons did. Laurel seems like the only character who's moving toward a new chapter in her life , Diggle has a daughter , and Thea is training but other than that, everyone else kinda seems to be going through the motions and orbiting Starling city. I think killing Moira Queen may have taken away some of the tension between the characters in addition to the writers sort of abandoning the concept of the list .

Hopefully it will start to pick up some sparks as the season goes forward with Ras Al Ghul and The LOS.

yeah it's possible they wrote them selves into a corner and are using this a weird distraction til they find a new plot.this being from detective comic's ...... which DC stands for. for shame....

 

[Mikelus]

As for the Roy dream, not sure what to make of it, it would explain why Sara seemed surprised by the person who shot her and didn't react like she was trained to. I'm going with Nyssa as the killer though.

But Nyssa doesn't have a motive and after her conversation with Ra's, I think we can say she was really sincere with her reaction to Sara's death.

Roy's could be a red herring, but if that's the case, is going to get annoying this whole "we got the killer, oh wait we didn't!". If Roy indeed killed Sara, it was because of a mirakuru side-effect, so he wasn't in control. But it would create drama for Roy, and Oliver will probably feel plenty of guilt.

On Thea, maybe she's using Malcolm and will try to kill him when the moment comes, anything else would be bad writing, we have to wait and see.

This episode is easily the worst this season, with one of the worst villains of the series so far, but Charlotte Ross did a fine job as Felicity's mom and Oliver and Thea's dynamic is getting interesting, pass the popcorn Ollie!

 

[JC00]

Wait. Didn't they already go over the fact that they looked for finger prints? They had that broken bottle and got finger prints from it. So one would assume they checked the arrows. Hell I'm almost certain there was a mention that there were no prints on the arrows

 

[Mike Murdock]

They followed up on Komodo's alibi. He's was in Bludhaven, killed two targets at the time Sara was killed. And with Malcolm all they have is his word, but they also have no other proof.

Yeah, I think Ollie said as much. It's not that Merlyn isn't a suspect, it's that he stays alive until they figure out who it was.

 

[zenith16]

Wait. Didn't they already go over the fact that they looked for finger prints? They had that broken bottle and got finger prints from it. So one would assume they checked the arrows. Hell I'm almost certain there was a mention that there were no prints on the arrows

And yet the arrow's were thrown bare handed with out gloves & we all know Roy doesn't talk or think straight/normal under the influence of mirakuru or after Effects of it, to give a damn about gloves which he wasn't wearing when he had that possible false memory. run's around killing and stares at you weird that's it. It can't be him. If they write it that way lol .....

 

[Nathan]

We should not take things at face value. Just because he dreamt that he threw the Arrows at Sara, doesn't mean he did. If he killed Sara, he was most definitely brainwashed. And him throwing the arrows in the dream as a Mirakuru enraged Roy, could just be a visual representation of him not being in control at the moment.