Arrow Arrow Season 3, Episode 7 "Draw Back Your Bow" General Discussion

[Herolee10]

Speaking of skills, i'm having a hard time seeing why Waller wanted to recruit Oliver so badly in the past. So far, he's had his ass kicked by nearly every person that he's encountered during his "Argus" missions.

The only successful thing that he did was take out a helpless old guy.

 

[Boy Scout]

Well, he took down Fryers, so she probably thinks he's the ****.

 

[Nathan]

I guess it's because she knew he took down a whole Pirate ship and Slade. Which was all basically just dumb luck on his part. But it's still completely stupid. Why focus all this time on a rich boy that got stranded, and not on one of your many Agents at your disposal?

Well, he took down Fryers, so she probably thinks he's the ****.

Oh, right, that was the reason.

 

[Tv's Phil]

Suddenly reminded why I don't REALLY enjoy discussing these episodes (Arrow or Flash) around here.
I'm sure I'm not the only one who continues to do so though.

 

[SpideyVille]

Didn't they explain it in the premiere? Waller said the world thinks he's dead so its easy for him to get away with things because no one is going to think a dead guy has been secretly assassinating people from across the globe.

 

[Nathan]

Didn't they explain it in the premiere? Waller said the world thinks he's dead so its easy for him to get away with things because no one is going to think a dead guy has been secretly assassinating people from across the globe.

Because faking someone's death or scrubbing someone's identity from the system, is not possible on this show.

 

[Herolee10]

lol; indeed.

Yeah, I think it may have to do with the fact that Waller thinks that Oliver is someone that he isn't..yet.

She may have had a general overview of what transpired on the island, but she couldn't possibly have all of the details, let alone on how Oliver really did survive from just plain old dumb luck.

And assuming if they don't make past Oliver into a house wrecking *****e (having him get it on with Katana), I'm assuming that the whole point of his flashbacks with the family is to have present Oliver realize/remember that if Katana and her husband could still have a family with each other while doing their ARGUS thing, then Oliver can also have a personal life of his own.


And honestly, I think the reason why I'm so much more harsher on "Arrow" these days is because of the fact that we have a better show (imho at least) in the Flash, let alone a more likable character/hero in Barry.

 

[Matt.S99]

Ugh I really hope they don't link him and Katana romantically. There's gotta be some female characters he hasn't slept with.

 

[Boy Scout]

Ugh I really hope they don't link him and Katana romantically. There's gotta be some female characters he hasn't slept with.

I don't think they will. Amell has said that he's brought Oliver's promiscuity to the producers' attention.

 

[Herolee10]

Well, this episode was the first time where Oliver didn't bone the attractive woman after telling her about one of his sad and lonely life.lol

 

[Boy Scout]

And it looks like Oliver isn't going to have sex with Amanda, so...progress. t:

 

[Herolee10]

And it looks like Oliver isn't going to have sex with Amanda, so...progress. t:

And as a result of Oliver's new found ability to keep his mini bow inside his quiver when around women, he's been forced to visit places as an extreme measure of keeping it that way.

 

[Mike Murdock]

They don't have to turn Diggle into a cheer leader though. It demeans him.

I'm sorry, that's an unreasonable interpretation of what's going on. Diggle isn't a "shipper" because he isn't some random person on the internet. His interest is in seeing two people be happy and functional, which is in the best interests of the team. Right now, the writers of the show have written the characters in a way that shows they care about each other. You may disagree with that decision, which is fine, but, once they do that, it's logical for other characters to pick up on that and want those characters to be happy. That's all he's saying - "Look, if you care for her, you need to tell her rather than start breaking things at HQ." That doesn't sound unreasonable to me.

I think they actually did a good job of not portraying Cupid as a pro with the bow. Her skill with a bow seemed to be pretty basic. She hit 2 slow walking cops in the legs, and one guy in cuffs in the chest.

The first time she tried to shoot Ollie, he dodged the arrow without any effort, and immediately disarmed her.

Yeah, that's what I saw. Her combat skills were decent (probably due to her police training), but she didn't do too much with the bow.

Then again, I didn't see Roy do much with the bow last season that suggested an "expert" and I really only saw one good shot this season.

 

[regnak]

I'm sorry, that's an unreasonable interpretation of what's going on. Diggle isn't a "shipper" because he isn't some random person on the internet. His interest is in seeing two people be happy and functional, which is in the best interests of the team. Right now, the writers of the show have written the characters in a way that shows they care about each other. You may disagree with that decision, which is fine, but, once they do that, it's logical for other characters to pick up on that and want those characters to be happy. That's all he's saying - "Look, if you care for her, you need to tell her rather than start breaking things at HQ." That doesn't sound unreasonable to me.

No it is very reasonable and has been heading that way since last season. Most of the episode was pandering to the Olicity fans and Diggle was a big part of that. On another board I go to one of the first posts I saw this morning was "How does everyone feel about Diggle being an Olicity shipper?" It produced a small laugh from me.

 

[Monsieur Xavier]

Good episode save for Cupide who was not interesting at all.
Felicity's blue dress showing her amazing shoulders
Ray Palmer's exo suit prototype
I like how Palmer presents himself as an altruist but with hidden motives.

 

[TheHighlander]

I still do not buy into Oliver's supposed "love" for Felicity and the reason why is there is no build up or development of their attraction for each other. I mean, yeah there's been a few times where Felicity has oogled Ollie when his shirt was off but there was never indication that there was a spark between them. Now, granted, I actually REALLY liked their date scene in the season premiere and thought it it was a good stepping stone towards to something more serious in the future but the way Oliver reacted tonight and the way Diggle was talking about her to him made it seem like Felicity is his one true love or something and I just don't see it. At least not yet.

You admire what you see, love what you know....

Felicity KNOWs olliver.... She loves olliver. No way around it. Same way for Olliver. He knows Felicity... He likes what he sees in her PERSONALLY. She is NOT a wreck. She is NOT perfect and she is SUPER brilliant and of course, drop dead gorgeous.

Sarah was more of what he is or was and Felicity to a degree represents what he likes to be. Felicity is unburdened although many things have happened and she represents the freedom of mind olliver wishes to attain, even while being the arrow. He is the arrow because personally he HAS to... he wants to feel that being the arrow is because he wants to. Just like felicity is with olliver and helping him because she wants to.

 

[Matt.S99]

I don't think they will. Amell has said that he's brought Oliver's promiscuity to the producers' attention.

That's why I like Amell. Even on the show he is on, he is talking about both the positive and negative.
This is why I wanted Oliver and Felicity to be just friends. Platonic. And show that he doesnt need to sleep with every lady to have them in his life.

 

[TheHighlander]

I guess it's because she knew he took down a whole Pirate ship and Slade. Which was all basically just dumb luck on his part. But it's still completely stupid. Why focus all this time on a rich boy that got stranded, and not on one of your many Agents at your disposal?



Oh, right, that was the reason.

Because he has the means and its probably training him to be a "better batman" in her eyes. A batman that can kill.

Look at olliver at the beginning. He was fearless and didn't hesitate. This Olliver, although a better hero, takes much more time and makes more mistakes because of it.

 

[TheHighlander]

ONe bad thing that i didn't like was felicty's speech. It felt kinda dumb that the deal went through after that speech when the board of directors chose Palmer after olliver giving the same speech.

Besides. Who is going to sell/buy a multi billion dollar company and not make money off of it?

 

[TheHighlander]

I'm sorry, that's an unreasonable interpretation of what's going on. Diggle isn't a "shipper" because he isn't some random person on the internet. His interest is in seeing two people be happy and functional, which is in the best interests of the team. Right now, the writers of the show have written the characters in a way that shows they care about each other. You may disagree with that decision, which is fine, but, once they do that, it's logical for other characters to pick up on that and want those characters to be happy. That's all he's saying - "Look, if you care for her, you need to tell her rather than start breaking things at HQ." That doesn't sound unreasonable to me.



Yeah, that's what I saw. Her combat skills were decent (probably due to her police training), but she didn't do too much with the bow.

Then again, I didn't see Roy do much with the bow last season that suggested an "expert" and I really only saw one good shot this season.

One of the great things about the first season was that Olliver was always training with the tennis balls. They need to show that with Arsenal.

 

[Norek]

Honestly, I think this was the worst episode from this season by far... Every storyline was poorly written, and they should've called this episode "Revenge of the Cliches", because that's what it really felt like, as if this episode was one big-ass cliche fest.

-Cupid was stupid (pun intended). They gave her the cop background, so there's some plausibility to her skillset, but finding the "Arrowcave" with the help of some lame-ass hacker who triangulated some **** and compared some Arrow sighting locations... Like.. What?! That's if some filler villain just happened to find the batcave. The actress was smoking hot, but she was over-acting a bit, and at times it was kinda annoying.

-The Ray Palmer/Felicity thing - the guy at the dinner says multiple times he's not gonna sell anything, and they shove that in our face so many times, and then Felicity comes in and says a few words and he's just instantly intrigued by what she has to say... That whole thing was very poorly executed. It felt so rushed. And speaking of rushed...

-The Thea/DJ thing. That was laughably bad. The guy comes out of nowhere, they set him up with a *****ebag comment he makes, then Thea makes the worst possible choice after hours of auditioning - you would say auditions are held to hire at least a decent guy, if not the best possible - and then she goes ahead to fire him like that - and then the *****ebag guy miraculously appears behind her, they have a banter, he presses one button and there's an army of ravers jumping on the dance floor - and then he refuses to get paid and instead shows off his cockiness again by going ahead to kiss his boss...

I'm sorry, I realize it sounds like I'm really nitpicking, but seriously, when you watch the episode, these things just pile up and it becomes really annoying at the end. I was expecting to watch a filler, but this was so poorly written it just surprised the **** out of me...

 

[Matt.S99]

Ugh that DJ. Hope he doesn't show up too often

 

[Nathan]

Can't really disagree with any of those points. The DJ was definitely face punch material. And of course Thea lets him kiss her.

 

[Boy Scout]

"The Secret Origin of Felicity Smoak" has been the worst so far (IMO).

 

[Nathan]

Oh, yeah. That was so bad I actually already forgot about it.