Arrow Arrow Season 3, Episode 6 "Guilty" General Discussion

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I had a bigger issue with him not taking Laurel's word that she was with him for 2 hours, and he couldn't have killed the guy. This is the same guy who took the time to check Komodo's alibi, just because he told him he was drunk in a bar.
 
Regarding that graphic about kills per episode, what's the source of who Ollie killed in the second season? I get that he may have shot people, but I don't recall any confirmed kills besides the Count.
 
Also noticed Cupid early on in the episode When the body is found in Wildcats gym, as Laurel is walking outside, saw her staring at her as she walks by. I noticed her do that and found her suspicious. Where else was she spotted
 
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I really liked the episode. Some very good acting by Amell, Ramirez, Ramsey and Haynes...
I loved the bromance and the jason-todd-vs-tim-drake-like fight between wildkitty (that must have been his name!) and Speedy (he only became Arsenal after the fight).
 
I didn't think it was hypocrisy because I thought (and granted,I've only seen it the one time) Ollie was saying since Ted "killed" the drug dealer 6 years ago,he was probably the guy that did the other killings.That's why he couldn't get off his case about the killing.

That is bang on my thought.

Because if I recall, as I haven't rewatched the episode either, he let up on Ted after he found out it was his sidekick that did the murders.

Only thing he was on Ted about after was training Laurel.
 
I had a bigger issue with him not taking Laurel's word that she was with him for 2 hours, and he couldn't have killed the guy. This is the same guy who took the time to check Komodo's alibi, just because he told him he was drunk in a bar.

Didn't Oliver leave Komodo pinned to the wall for the cops and then checked it out? So it's not like he let him run free after he finally cornered him.

As for him not believing Laurel I think they made it pretty obvious that Oliver kind of had blinders on this one because Laurel was training to become a vigilante.
 
Yeah, he pinned him to a wall, but eased up real quick once Komodo told him he was drunk at the time. Then he was busy preventing Laurel from killing a man, that could potentially be innocent. Then the whole scenario turned around, when he was suspecting Ted to be the killer. And didn't ease up at all, when Laurel provided a solid alibi.
 
Oliver's hypocrisy goes all the way back to season 1 with Huntress. Huntress works as a contrast to Batman because Batman has one of the strictest "codes" in comics. He doesn't kill, period, so Helena being more ruthless and willing to kill works as a contrast to that. It DOESN'T work as well when the guy who they're trying to contrast her with was basically Frank Castle with a bow at the time. So in order to make it even SLIGHTLY work, they had to turn her into a mustache-twirling cartoon villain (in other words, NOT the Huntress). It's nice to see that that hypocritical/self-righteous streak hasn't gone away. At least the writers are consistent about that.
 
THis episode was probably the lowest Oliver has gone in terms of hypocrisy. Kind of ironic because remember arguing with someone on these forums, can't be bothered to check who, about whether or Laurel defending Ted Grant in this episode made her a hypocrite after she was in his face a couple episodes back.
I mean really, laurel was eating dinner with him at a restaurant that, by the sounds of it, Grant apparently frequents. His alibi was probably pretty damn near god-tier yet because Grant killed one guy during his vigilante career, as opposed to who knows how many Ollie killed in his first year, he just kind assumes Laurel is lying to cover for him or something? That's really the only explanation.

Still, I'm used to him being a hypocrite so it I didn't dwell on it too hard. Finally developing a relationship between Roy and Ollie that didn't seem tho have Thea or some outside circumstances such as the Mirakuru drug forcing Ollie to take him under his wing made the episode worth it. The fact that Roy and Oliver had such a weak connection to each other has bothered me since season one. Introducing him through Thea was a mistake in my opinion. It made their romance more important than his transformation into Arsenal.
 
Think people are over blowing the Oliver being a hypocrite thing.

They made it kind of evident that Oliver was looking at the whole thing with blinders on because Ted was training Laurel to become a vigilante after he told her he wouldn't train her and didn't want her doing it.

When Laurel was vouching for Ted Oliver asked Laurel where he was because he wanted to talk and Laurel got all defensive and responded "about this case or about me" and then the conversation became about Laurel training . Then when Roy said something about Laurel vouching for him Oliver responded "I don't think Laurel is seeing clearly on this one". Then when Oliver, Ted, and Laurel where in the street Oliver and Laurel had another spat about training.

Then there was the scene at the end when Oliver asked Ted not to train Laurel.

Ya he was kind of a hypocrite for giving Ted s**t about killing the drug dealer but it's not like he damned him or anything and it was evident he was pissy at Ted because he was training Laurel.
 
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I liked Cupid's intro. "I'm Cupid...stupid."
 
Think people are over blowing the Oliver being a hypocrite thing.

They made it kind of evident that Oliver was looking at the whole thing with blinders on because Ted was training Laurel to become a vigilante after he told her he wouldn't train her and didn't want her doing it.

It's surprising to see you make light of Ollie's hypocrisy when you were making a big deal out of Laurel being a hypocrite in this episode before it even aired.
 
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Solid episode. The whole story tied together well, and I even thought this was one of Amell's better performances.
 
Man this episode was good as hell.
 
This was so awesome lol

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It's surprising to see you make light of Ollie's hypocrisy when you were making a big deal out of Laurel being a hypocrite in this episode before it even aired.

Make light? Where did I say Oliver wasn't a hypocrite. I just said people are really overselling it. He made one or two snide comments about him killing other than that he was looking at him as a suspect for the new killings based on evidence Felicity dug up. Which if he was a complete hypocrite he would have left Ted tied up in the storage unit for the cops instead of hearing him out on being setup.

As for making a big deal about Laurel, don't recall that but if I did it is cause Laurel is the worst. IMO the writers still haven't moved the needle on her this season. Am I suppose to like the character better now because she is more involved in the main story and isn't a pill popping alky? Sorry but showing her training a few times and releasing promo shots of her as Black Canary might do it for some people, just not me.

Laurel fans that are complaining about this season being about finding Sara's killer and how the season has suffered because of it, they do realize that this is majorly in part to them fast tracking Laurel becoming Canary, right? Even blindly loyal fans have to kind of see that.

The way the storyline seems to be going if Laurel fans thought there was too much hate for the character wait until what I think is gonna happen, happens.
 
Think people are over blowing the Oliver being a hypocrite thing.

They made it kind of evident that Oliver was looking at the whole thing with blinders on because Ted was training Laurel to become a vigilante after he told her he wouldn't train her and didn't want her doing it.

When Laurel was vouching for Ted Oliver asked Laurel where he was because he wanted to talk and Laurel got all defensive and responded "about this case or about me" and then the conversation became about Laurel training . Then when Roy said something about Laurel vouching for him Oliver responded "I don't think Laurel is seeing clearly on this one". Then when Oliver, Ted, and Laurel where in the street Oliver and Laurel had another spat about training.

Then there was the scene at the end when Oliver asked Ted not to train Laurel.

Ya he was kind of a hypocrite for giving Ted s**t about killing the drug dealer but it's not like he damned him or anything and it was evident he was pissy at Ted because he was training Laurel.

So he's both a hypocrite AND a petty/petulant idiot. Wow, that's even worse.
 
So he's both a hypocrite AND a petty/petulant idiot. Wow, that's even worse.

Well, he is Oliver Queen, something would be wrong with the show if he didn't have those moments. Green Arrow is supposed to be an extremely flawed hero.
 
More I think about it and watching the episode again IMO Oliver wasn't even a hypocrite. He brought up Ted killing the drug dealer twice and it wasnt even hypocitical.

With the way some people are talking Oliver shouldn't even go after killers now.
 
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I don't know. I find it hypocritical to give someone **** over a death that might have happened accidentally, especially when that person quit with the vigilantism on the very same night. Also, let's say Ted would have been the killer all along, did Ollie really think he'd be so stupid, that he'd hang one of the victims up in his own Gym? It had set up written all over it.

I know Ollie is supposed to be a flawed character, but the whole Episode it felt like he didn't even bother to just think about the situation. There were tons of murders and he had a prime suspect. For him it was pretty much case closed. He was like Laurel when it came to Komodo and Merlyn.
 
More I think about it and watching the episode again IMO Oliver wasn't even a hypocrite. He brought up Ted killing the drug dealer twice and it wasnt even hypocitical.

With the way some people are talking Oliver shouldn't even go after killers now.

No, we just think he should investigate first, he usually does. He even gave Merlyn the benefit of the doubt in "the Magician."
 
Really liked the episode. Just wish I was more versed in DC lore so I knew who all this people are supposed to be
 
No, we just think he should investigate first, he usually does. He even gave Merlyn the benefit of the doubt in "the Magician."

But didn't he in this case?That's what I don't understand here.Laurel said "he was with me the past two hours." Ollie lowers the bow.

Then,he finds out that he supposedly killed a guy 6 years ago,AND finds another body in his hideout.

I mean,didn't all evidence point to him?How many times is he supposed to give Ted "The benefit of the doubt" before looking like a damn fool?:huh:
 
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