The Amazing Spider-Man ASM: Stuff You Didn't Like Thread

[roach]

The thing I hated was the random dumb things they added in. The basketball dunking scene was dumb, the crane scene was stupid, throwing the football and bending a goal post? The ball would burst open before it ever had the force to bend a goal post. The lizard rat looked awful.

I think they got Connors look wrong as well. He looked way too creepy to begin with. And they tried to address too many things at once (the parent mystery, Uncle Ben death, responsibility, Gwen, etc...) Raimi's origin got the Ben/May relationship much better. But Garfield was pretty good.

the funny thing is in high school my brother did the same thing and even broke the backboard...just without the spidery jump...they didn't call my Mom to complain. The made him join the basketball team

 

[chaseter]

So because some people are idiots, it gives you the right to parrot their behavior in the opposite direction?

I like how you make stuff up to further your argument.

So are you saying people who like Raimi enjoy kicking puppies and kittens?

There are people who like SM1 over ASM and the opposite. Perfectly fine. It doesn't matter to anybody but themselves. I am not the one in here trying to prove people wrong. You don't see me in the stuff you liked thread battling people.

 

[roach]

I like how you make stuff up to further your argument.

So are you saying people who like Raimi enjoy kicking puppies and kittens?

wait we don't...uh oh

 

[Eddie Brock]

I like how you make stuff up to further your argument.

So are you saying people who like Raimi enjoy kicking puppies and kittens?

Now I'm the one making stuff up? That wasn't a collective "you," referring to all Raimi fans. That was you, chaseter. You're the only person I see on these boards who gets confrontational with TASM fans. Plenty of other people share their opinions without throwing little barbs out, but not you.

 

[Spider Edge]

I also liked how Gwen was like TEEHEHEHEHEHE when Peter said that behind her in class. I guess she loved and respected her dad so much that she chooses a guy she has known for a few weeks over her dead father's wishes.

pfftt.......the old fart's dead......so he's never gonna know.......

and besides......she's a teenager......she has raging hormones.....she has needs.........

but, yeah, I agree with you. that whole scene, coupled with the fact that Gwen figured out the promise in like 2 seconds, just cheapened the whole Capt. Stacy's death scene. not to mention that the promise in the movie is OPPOSITE the promise in the comics.

Gwen should not have figured out the promise. It should have driven a wedge in their budding relationship ( which did seem to happen rather fast and problem free ), and carried into the next film.

Gwen feels betrayed by Peter, so she avoids him. Peter wants to be with Gwen and tell her, but he respects Capt. Stacy's dying wish, so he keeps his distance, too.

You bring in Harry as a rival LI for Gwen ( he's interested in her because she's an intern at his dad's company.......maybe he has a pattern of going after the interns ). You bring in MJ as a rival LI for Peter ( Aunt May wants Peter to meet her best friend's niece who's back in town ).

Eventually, Gwen does find out why Peter's been cold/distant to her. But, by then, it's too late. Osborn/GG figures out Peter's identity and kidnaps Gwen and.......well......you know what happens next.......

 

[roach]

Eventually, Gwen does find out why Peter's been cold/distant to her. But, by then, it's too late. Osborn/GG figures out Peter's identity and kidnaps Gwen and.......well......you know what happens next.......

they get married but the Mephisto wipes it out

 

[CashforStash]

I didn't like that Uncle Ben didn't say the "Great Responsibility" line.

Not a lot of Spider-Man with the mask on.

Some awkward writing here and there.

Some pacing issues.

But overall the nitpicks are minor, I just thought I'd state them.

 

[Frodo]

Since we're talking about SM1 and ASM, I'll put my two cents in. While I thought certain aspects of ASM improved on the Raimi film, I can't goes as far as to say ASM is drastically better or I enjoyed it more .

I really don't see some drastic difference between the two films. It's not like comparing TDK to B&R.

On a side note though, I do suspect that alot of the "this is so much better than the raimi films" arguement is really aimed at Spiderman 3 more then the first two. Spiderman 3 amplified all of the minor problems from the other two films and left a bad taste in people's mouths. After that, the narrative of that "All Raimi films sucked "began to take hold. However, what people forget is that the reason why Spiderman 3 was rejected was because the first two films were embraced for the most part among the GA.

Alot of times when a francise has a really bad entry or series of entries , people tend to forget the superior original's and remember the francise for the stinkers. This is what has happened to the Burton/Schumacer Batman flicks. People remember B&R , and as a result the whole series of films has been painted as "bad" when really, B89 was a good film .

Now, am I sayong that there weren't people who didn't like the first two Raimi films when they were made? No, there have always been critiques of those films. What I am saying is that when people are comparing ASM to SM1, its seems as though they're talking more about the faults in SM3 then SM1.

 

[Havok83]

No Osborn

I think the blue on the sight is too bright. Id go for something a little darker. Also not a fan of the black/yellow eyes

 

[spider-neil]

I also liked how Gwen was like TEEHEHEHEHEHE when Peter said that behind her in class. I guess she loved and respected her dad so much that she chooses a guy she has known for a few weeks over her dead father's wishes.

What did Pete say to Gwen?

 

[Havok83]

What did Pete say to Gwen?

somehing about promises are the best ones to keep when the teacher was talknig about promises

I also liked how Gwen was like TEEHEHEHEHEHE when Peter said that behind her in class. I guess she loved and respected her dad so much that she chooses a guy she has known for a few weeks over her dead father's wishes.

Her dad never told her to stay away from Peter. She never made that promise to him. I didnt see her smirking as a sign that she's choosing Peter over him

 

[chaseter]

She knew her dad made Peter promise to stay away from her...she said that she knew to Peter in the rain. Her dad just died because of a villain that Peter made. Her dad's dying wish was that Peter stay away so that Gwen doesn't get hurt. She understood all of that. Yet after her dad dies and knowing the wish her dying father made she gets all school girl giggly when Peter says he is going to break that promise. TOMG Peter still likes me!!!! What an awful daughter and an idiot for such a smart girl. It was a lame line meant to make the audience get giddy as well. The fans know what's coming and the GA was meant to be happy that they stayed together.

 

[Havok83]

She knew her dad made Peter promise to stay away from her...she said that she knew to Peter in the rain. Her dad just died because of a villain that Peter made. Her dad's dying wish was that Peter stay away so that Gwen doesn't get hurt. She understood all of that. Yet after her dad dies and knowing the wish her dying father made she gets all school girl giggly when Peter says he is going to break that promise. TOMG Peter still likes me!!!! What an awful daughter and an idiot for such a smart girl. It was a lame line meant to make the audience get giddy as well. The fans know what's coming and the GA was meant to be happy that they stayed together.

Again, she never made a promise to her dad. I see no issue with her wanting to get involved with Peter. She's not breaking anything. Her father is dead. I hate dying wishes in fiction and how people use that to control and exert power from beyond the grave. I really dont think people should be bound to dying wishes for the rest of their lives even in real life. Someone making a promise to someone as their dying wish does so in duress and to make that person at peace as they check out. Its a nice gesture for the dead person's benefit. What is the person supposed to say? No, and be a complete jerk as the other dies? Peter nor most people wouldnt even have time to think, btu are forced to say yes bc of the urgency of the situation. If he and Gwen want to be together, then good for them. It doesnt make her an awful daughter or idiot

 

[spider-neil]

somehing about promises are the best ones to keep when the teacher was talknig about promises

Why would saying promises are best kept make her smile?

 

[Eddie Brock]

Why would saying promises are best kept make her smile?

The teacher said, "Don't make promises you can't keep."
Peter responded, "But those are the best kind."
That's why Gwen smiled, because Peter implied that he couldn't keep his promise to Captain Stacy.

 

[Sharkboy]

The spider-man without his mask thing, will forever be a thing that comic book fans won't ever understand about film. You have an actor...you can't have him act under a mask all the time, it just doesn't work that way in films, you can only do so much body language before you realise...you might as well have a stuntman in a suit and get someone to voice him.

Films will always focus mainly on peter parker and use spidey (or the presence of spidey with a mask on) as a climax, or in a climatic manner. Similar to batman....you aren't supposed to see these guys doing long convo scenes or character building scenes in their suits. It's ok with batman because his mouth and eyes are showing you can get away with it a little as long as you don't show him in the suit all the time, or the majesty is removed...this isn't the comics you can't control the audiences one perception of the suit...after a while it looks silly or you desensitize people to the spectacle of the costume.

It's tougher for spider-man because it's a fixed mask on his face....while in the comics and cartoons he can fully emote in the mask. So no...unless its always peter taking off his mask (like in sm2) it's not a real nitpick. TASM had the perfect balance of it....he had his great scenes as masked spidey....but it was all based off his great peter parker scenes. It's a great mixture.

 

[spider-neil]

Didn't have a problem with the unmasking, as there was always a reason when it came off.

 

[chaseter]

Again, she never made a promise to her dad. I see no issue with her wanting to get involved with Peter. She's not breaking anything. Her father is dead. I hate dying wishes in fiction and how people use that to control and exert power from beyond the grave. I really dont think people should be bound to dying wishes for the rest of their lives even in real life. Someone making a promise to someone as their dying wish does so in duress and to make that person at peace as they check out. Its a nice gesture for the dead person's benefit. What is the person supposed to say? No, and be a complete jerk as the other dies? Peter nor most people wouldnt even have time to think, btu are forced to say yes bc of the urgency of the situation. If he and Gwen want to be together, then good for them. It doesnt make her an awful daughter or idiot

I didn't say she made a promise, she knew what her dad wanted and rejected it for a boy she has been dating for a few weeks. She just saw her father die because of the reprocussions of people close to Peter because he was Spider-Man yet she is willing to take that chance. Not a very smart choice for such a smart girl and what an awful daughter to go against her dad's dying wish that she figured out.

 

[Havok83]

Her father didnt die bc he knew Peter. He was a cop and died in the line of duty. His connection to Peter was irrelevant to him being there during Lizard's rampage which led to his death. Does she being close to Peter make her more of a risk? Sure, but thats not what happened with her father. She's allowed to live her life the way she sees fit.

 

[chaseter]

Her father died because of Spider-Man. He created the Lizard and the formula that Connors turned into a weapon that lead to the situation that killed Stacy. Her father knew that people close to Peter will always be in danger and didn't want his daughter to get hurt. Peter even told Gwen that it's his fault that Connors is the Lizard. So as Stacy lies dying there, he asks Peter to not let his daughter get hurt and to stay away. It's a very emotional scene and so is the rain breakup where Gwen tells Peter she knows what her dad made him promise. Yet, the very next scene is Peter whispering to Gwen that he will break that promise and Gwen gets totally excited : / Hence, dumb girl and an awful daughter. If my dad rode motorcycles and had a wreck and told my g/f who made it to the hospital before me to promise to not let me ride motorcycles anymore and then he died...wouldn't it be great if I told her that I didn't make that promise or that some promises are hard to keep and she smiled as we hopped onto the bike to ride into the sunset would be dumb.....amirite?

 

[D4rkShaDoWz]

So with that logic isn't Richard Parker responsible for Captain Stacy's death? He created Peter, which in turn, created Spider-Man, who was responsible for the Lizard.

My initial assumption was that Peter was going to ignore Captain Stacy's promise and try things with Gwen again. I think this cause her death in a sequel and Peter will finally know and understand what Stacy meant about the importance of keeping his promise.

 

[OP84CC82]

I some of you are like me and felt something was missing from the movie, here it is:

http://badassdigest.com/2012/07/05/was-the-untold-story-cut-from-the-amazing-spider-man/

 

[chaseter]

So with that logic isn't Richard Parker responsible for Captain Stacy's death? He created Peter, which in turn, created Spider-Man, who was responsible for the Lizard.

My initial assumption was that Peter was going to ignore Captain Stacy's promise and try things with Gwen again. I think this cause her death in a sequel and Peter will finally know and understand what Stacy meant about the importance of keeping his promise.

We can go furthur and say that Mr. Connor's sperm and Mrs. Connor's egg is responsible.

 

[Jexx]

My biggest problem is they drop

Spoiler

the man with the star

plotline. Kill it DEAD. I'm sorry but that's a problem for me.

spider-neil - 'so pete, you're not bothered about catching this guy anymore?'

pete - *shrugs*

Bulletin Board: picture of Uncle Ben, picture of young Peter with parents, wanted poster.

Words being mentioned by Uncle Ben's voicemail while the camera moves over the bulletin board: "...unresolved..."

 

[Havok83]

Her father died because of Spider-Man. He created the Lizard and the formula that Connors turned into a weapon that lead to the situation that killed Stacy. Her father knew that people close to Peter will always be in danger and didn't want his daughter to get hurt. Peter even told Gwen that it's his fault that Connors is the Lizard. So as Stacy lies dying there, he asks Peter to not let his daughter get hurt and to stay away. It's a very emotional scene and so is the rain breakup where Gwen tells Peter she knows what her dad made him promise. Yet, the very next scene is Peter whispering to Gwen that he will break that promise and Gwen gets totally excited : / Hence, dumb girl and an awful daughter. If my dad rode motorcycles and had a wreck and told my g/f who made it to the hospital before me to promise to not let me ride motorcycles anymore and then he died...wouldn't it be great if I told her that I didn't make that promise or that some promises are hard to keep and she smiled as we hopped onto the bike to ride into the sunset would be dumb.....amirite?

Lizard was created in part bc of Peter but knowing and being close to Peter wasnt what got Captain Stacy killed, so that analogy doesnt fit with Gwen at all