Avi's comments on FF2

[antariksh]

And that really points out, as much as we'd all like a big budget, the value of keeping the budget in line. If Hulk had a lower budget, it would have been considered a "hit".

WELL SAID

I think you are right.

It is NOT that FOX does not want to give a good budget for their comic book movies, the problem is that the comic book they have adapted are risky ones like F4 and daredevil that is why they don't give good budgets.

They are not spider-man which even if it was CRAP would do gangbusters at boxoffice no matter how big the budget. That is why COLUMBIA spends so much on spider-man because they know that MOST of the fans will watch it no matter what and KIDS will eat it up.

I don't think you should blame FOX for not giving us a well done BIG BUDGET F4 movie because even if they had done that. Then I am sure it would have NOT been a "HIT". If F4 franchise acts just like the X-men franchise then we all know it will do more than X2 but ONLY if we support F4-2 MORE than we did last time.

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Well moving on from the discussion of the Hulk which was a non-loss making film even though it fell below financial projections, I wonder how they will pull off the SS/Galactus story.

It seems off the deep end given the Marvel movieverse. Take a look at X3, the pheonix was no longer a cosmic entity, but a seperate identity of a very powerful mutant (who

Spoiler

was not powerful enough to defeat Wolverine

). Here it would be impossible to do Silver Surfer and Galactus if they were not cosmic entities which creates a new aspect to comic book movies. Plus I do not see how it could be done without a relatively large budget even thoughI could see SS done with a costume as they did the Thing.

 

[Carp Man]

I don't think you should blame FOX for not giving us a well done BIG BUDGET F4 movie because even if they had done that. Then I am sure it would have NOT been a "HIT". If F4 franchise acts just like the X-men franchise then we all know it will do more than X2 but ONLY if we support F4-2 MORE than we did last time.

I agree to a point. Big budget does not equal suscess ( See Catwomen ). However, better movie = more rears in the seats. We don't need more support from the faithful, but a better movie, to get more people into the theaters. Look at X3. $ 215 million spent, allready $ 107 million in domestic sales. I saw it and in my opinion, it is by far the best of the 3. It has action, charctor, good dialog, great spx, good story, all the ingredients needed to make a suscessful movie. However it cost $ 215 million to make. If the sequel is like this movie, sky's the limit on what it could make. In my opinion.

 

[RangerKing]

I'm sure the reason the way Phoenix was handled was because it was out of the question considering the X-Men are about mutants not things from space. The Fantastic Four on the other hand could do it. Why? Because that's how the Fantastic Four received their powers, from outer space, they have the connection to space that X-Men didn't and shouldn't have in a realistic film.

 

[antariksh]

Well moving on from the discussion of the Hulk which was a non-loss making film even though it fell below financial projections, I wonder how they will pull off the SS/Galactus story.

It seems off the deep end given the Marvel movieverse. Take a look at X3, the pheonix was no longer a cosmic entity, but a seperate identity of a very powerful mutant (who

Spoiler

was not powerful enough to defeat Wolverine

). Here it would be impossible to do Silver Surfer and Galactus if they were not cosmic entities which creates a new aspect to comic book movies. Plus I do not see how it could be done without a relatively large budget even thoughI could see SS done with a costume as they did the Thing.

It is going to be a mixture of costume and CGI.

Just like the end scene in F4 when Dr. DOOM is all burned and we could see his entire metallic body. That was a combination of prosthetics+CGI.

I think they can do silver sufer well enough but i am not sure about galactus.

 

[Malus]

It seems off the deep end given the Marvel movieverse. Take a look at X3, the pheonix was no longer a cosmic entity, but a seperate identity of a very powerful mutant (who

Spoiler

was not powerful enough to defeat Wolverine

). Here it would be impossible to do Silver Surfer and Galactus if they were not cosmic entities which creates a new aspect to comic book movies. Plus I do not see how it could be done without a relatively large budget even thoughI could see SS done with a costume as they did the Thing.

Well, the way I interpreted that scene

Spoiler

Wolverine didn't exactly defeat Pheonix; Jean Grey momentarily re-emerged and allowed it. After all, she had begged him to kill her quite early on, and they made it obvious that he was the only one left that could "get through" to her.

But yeah, I was disappointed that we didn't get a single fiery manifestation of the pheonix bird. Cosmic or not, it could have only helped, and considering some of the other incredible effects -like the Golden Gate being torn from its foundation- a little 5-second fire bird effect would have been no big deal. Overall I thought X3 was pretty impressive, especially considering the months of carping and moaning over Brett Ratner, no Nightcrawler, supposed character deaths, etc...

I'm not worried over whether they can "do" the Silver Surfer & Galactus. They most certainly can do them justice with today's effects without breaking the bank. We've basically seen a Surfer prototype on the Capri Sun commercials and in Terminator 2. Galactus' ship - we've seen that level of effect all the way back to 2001 in 1969. As for Galactus himself , there's bound to be some degree of reinterpretation...What's important to convey is his incomprehensible power. I mean if he steps off his ship with a big "G" on his belt as he did in the original comic, audiences will howl with laughter.
My concern is more for how they handle the actual story, specifically establishing that the FF are now experienced superheroes. A one minute montage-early in the film- of the FF in numerous battles with an assortment of bad guys would go far in establishing this.

 

[Kelly]

Well, the way I interpreted that scene

Spoiler

Wolverine didn't exactly defeat Pheonix; Jean Grey momentarily re-emerged and allowed it. After all, she had begged him to kill her quite early on, and they made it obvious that he was the only one left that could "get through" to her.

But yeah, I was disappointed that we didn't get a single fiery manifestation of the pheonix bird. Cosmic or not, it could have only helped, and considering some of the other incredible effects -like the Golden Gate being torn from its foundation- a little 5-second fire bird effect would have been no big deal. Overall I thought X3 was pretty impressive, especially considering the months of carping and moaning over Brett Ratner, no Nightcrawler, supposed character deaths, etc...

I'm not worried over whether they can "do" the Silver Surfer & Galactus. They most certainly can do them justice with today's effects without breaking the bank. We've basically seen a Surfer prototype on the Capri Sun commercials and in Terminator 2. Galactus' ship - we've seen that level of effect all the way back to 2001 in 1969. As for Galactus himself , there's bound to be some degree of reinterpretation...What's important to convey is his incomprehensible power. I mean if he steps off his ship with a big "G" on his belt as he did in the original comic, audiences will howl with laughter.
My concern is more for how they handle the actual story, specifically establishing that the FF are now experienced superheroes. A one minute montage-early in the film- of the FF in numerous battles with an assortment of bad guys would go far in establishing this.

Ooooh yeah.....I forgot all about Terminator 2.....that would look very nice....especially with all they have now as opposed to 2001. And yeah I think have them come a few years later will help with the "experienced superhero" part. I'm happy they are doing that. I might actually be getting alittle excited about the sequel....lol

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Well, the way I interpreted that scene

Spoiler

Wolverine didn't exactly defeat Pheonix; Jean Grey momentarily re-emerged and allowed it. After all, she had begged him to kill her quite early on, and they made it obvious that he was the only one left that could "get through" to her.

But yeah, I was disappointed that we didn't get a single fiery manifestation of the pheonix bird. Cosmic or not, it could have only helped, and considering some of the other incredible effects -like the Golden Gate being torn from its foundation- a little 5-second fire bird effect would have been no big deal. Overall I thought X3 was pretty impressive, especially considering the months of carping and moaning over Brett Ratner, no Nightcrawler, supposed character deaths, etc...

I'm not worried over whether they can "do" the Silver Surfer & Galactus. They most certainly can do them justice with today's effects without breaking the bank. We've basically seen a Surfer prototype on the Capri Sun commercials and in Terminator 2. Galactus' ship - we've seen that level of effect all the way back to 2001 in 1969. As for Galactus himself , there's bound to be some degree of reinterpretation...What's important to convey is his incomprehensible power. I mean if he steps off his ship with a big "G" on his belt as he did in the original comic, audiences will howl with laughter.
My concern is more for how they handle the actual story, specifically establishing that the FF are now experienced superheroes. A one minute montage-early in the film- of the FF in numerous battles with an assortment of bad guys would go far in establishing this.

Spoiler

well I don't want to argue but even though she seemed to re-emerge at the end while he was climbing the stairs she was certainly on the dark side and he was healing faster then she was hurting him

I should maybe clarify my statement in so far it was not that actual look of Galactus I was worried about more the concept of him in the marvel movie verse. In comics he makes sense given all the other cosmic entities. Here he is a force that is like Q in Star Trek with no counter part. Of course people could say power him down but how do you power down someone with so much power above you that it seems limitless. I am kind of worried he will come off as evil whereas he is neither evil or good. Plus in the comics you had the Watcher allow the use of the Ultimate Nullifyer; What is going to challenge him here?

 

[Hunter Rider]

Ooooh yeah.....I forgot all about Terminator 2.....that would look very nice....especially with all they have now as opposed to 2001. And yeah I think have them come a few years later will help with the "experienced superhero" part. I'm happy they are doing that. I might actually be getting alittle excited about the sequel....lol

Terminator 2 was in 1991,I think they will now miss the wedding out and Sue/Reed will already be hitched when the story starts
My guess is that they will be fully settled into their lives as Heroes/Celeb's/Scientists/Family.

If they use SS i still think Doom stealing his powers to rebuild is a good scenario

 

[Kelly]

Terminator 2 was in 1991,I think they will now miss the wedding out and Sue/Reed will already be hitched when the story starts
My guess is that they will be fully settled into their lives as Heroes/Celeb's/Scientists/Family.

If they use SS i still think Doom stealing his powers to rebuild is a good scenario

I don't know what year it was I was going by Malus' date...I just remember it looked really cool.......

 

[Ahura Mazda]

I am guessing you guys are talking about the scene he walks out from the fire and is in liquid metal form. That did look quite Silver Surferish.

 

[Kelly]

Check out the trailer for T2 here: About 1:09 into the trailer.... I think what they did could work for SS.

 

[Malus]

I don't know what year it was I was going by Malus' date...I just remember it looked really cool.......

I was referring to 2001:A Space Odyssey and the wheel-shaped centifuge ship that opens the story after they segue from the early man/monolith sequence...I left off the rest of the title and kinda ran two sentences together there...Besides, there was a Terminator 3 recently, right? I didn't actually see that one, so I don't know if they had similar metallic effects in that...
Hmm. Why do I feel even older after writing this post?
I should add that my Dad took me to see 2001 when I was 4.

 

[Kelly]

I was referring to 2001:A Space Odyssey and the wheel-shaped centifuge ship that opens the story after they segue from the early man/monolith sequence...I left off the rest of the title and kinda ran two sentences together there...Besides, there was a Terminator 3 recently, right? I didn't actually see that one, so I don't know if they had similar metallic effects in that...

I know, I just misread your post....yeah I didn't see T3 either, but check out the trailer I posted.....that would really work I think.

 

[Hunter Rider]

I am guessing you guys are talking about the scene he walks out from the fire and is in liquid metal form. That did look quite Silver Surferish.

Yeah ,im gonna cut that from the trailer if it's there
I wonder if the fact GG is rumoured to be using a surfboard-type device in SM3 will dilute the SS visual sequences

 

[Ahura Mazda]

I was referring to 2001:A Space Odyssey and the wheel-shaped centifuge ship that opens the story after they segue from the early man/monolith sequence...I left off the rest of the title and kinda ran two sentences together there...Besides, there was a Terminator 3 recently, right? I didn't actually see that one, so I don't know if they had similar metallic effects in that...
Hmm. Why do I feel even older after writing this post?
I should add that my Dad took me to see 2001 when I was 4.

Well personally I don't remember the same effect in T3. There was something similar but it showed transformations rather then a liquid metal man walking.

And Malus, I remember the ship in 2001 which was a great movie with a psychadelic ending. as I said I am not so much concerned about how they portray him but the concept of him in this universe.

 

[Kelly]

Yeah ,im gonna cut that from the trailer if it's there
I wonder if the fact GG is rumoured to be using a surfboard-type device in SM3 will dilute the SS visual sequences

I don't want them doing it that way.....according to Julian that was predominantly spray paint that kept coming off...lol....VERY low budget, and not exactly great looking IMO....I liked the dripping off...effect....I don't know that much about SS but is that what we want? I like the T2 idea from Malus much better.

 

[Hunter Rider]

I don't want them doing it that way.....according to Julian that was predominantly spray paint that kept coming off...lol....VERY low budget, and not exactly great looking IMO....I liked the dripping off...effect....I don't know that much about SS but is that what we want? I like the T2 idea from Malus much better.

I think we got our wires crossed,i was talking about the part in the T2 trailer where he walks out of the fire after the truck smash

 

[Kelly]

I think we got our wires crossed,i was talking about the part in the T2 trailer where he walks out of the fire after the truck smash

Gotcha...... Good cause the spray paint crap scared me....


The portion I posted a about 1:09 I think shows exactly what it could look like.....

 

[Hunter Rider]

Gotcha...... Good cause the spray paint crap scared me....


The portion I posted a about 1:09 I think shows exactly what it could look like.....

This would work great IMO

It was 15 years ago so imagine where they could go with it now

 

[Kelly]

This would work great IMO

It was 15 years ago so imagine where they could go with it now

Exactly....that right there makes me very excited with where they could go with SS......BUT........if it takes away from the focus of what and who the F4 are....if it takes away AT ALL from Reed, Sue, Ben and Johnny.....then I will not be a happy camper with the sequel, no matter how COOL the SS looks on the big screen.....ALREADY I'm seeing the focus pulled away from the 4 ..... and if that continues then Fox has screwed another film.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Exactly....that right there makes me very excited with where they could go with SS......BUT........if it takes away from the focus of what and who the F4 are....if it takes away AT ALL from Reed, Sue, Ben and Johnny.....then I will not be a happy camper with the sequel, no matter how COOL the SS looks on the big screen.....ALREADY I'm seeing the focus pulled away from the 4 ..... and if that continues then Fox has screwed another film.

I agree,the SS's coolnes and visual spectacle shouldn't be used to replace the F4 but to add great support

 

[MOIDANGEREUX]

Avi Arad Admits to Silver Surfer?
Posted May 29th 2006 12:00PM by Mark Beall

http://www.cinematical.com/2006/05/29/avi-arad-admits-to-silver-surfer/

Marvel guru Avi Arad recently discussed a few of the upcoming Marvel flicks with Empire magazine. Look out, here come the bullet points:

Spider-Man 3 -- Arad still refuses to acknowledge (or deny) the existence of Venom in the third installment of the popular film franchise. He emphasized the scope of the third film, saying it will be larger and more intense than either of its predecessors. Spider-Man will now begin exploring the full extent of his super-human abilities.
Fantastic Four 2 -- Arad said the story for the second film will pick up a few years after the first. We will find out what the Four have been dealing with since we last saw them, and what (if anything) has happened to the good Doctor Doom. When asked about Galactus, Arad said "What we're trying to do is not show him, but to show someone else, initially." Which Marvel fans immediately read as "Hey, SILVER SURFER!" He is the Herald, after all. Here comes the Power Cosmic!
Hulk 2 -- The Big Green's sequel will apparently feel like The Fugitive, according to Arad. It figures to be less of a study in anger (although that'll still be a big part of the story, naturally) and more of love story/action flick combo. Ergo, the major cast members in this one (aside from Bruce) will be Betty Ross and Abomination. Every time I hear about a silver screen fight between the Hulk and The Abomination I get all giddy.

 

[Malus]

Avi Arad Admits to Silver Surfer?
Posted May 29th 2006 12:00PM by Mark Beall
http://www.cinematical.com/2006/05/29/avi-arad-admits-to-silver-surfer/
Fantastic Four 2 -- Arad said the story for the second film will pick up a few years after the first. We will find out what the Four have been dealing with since we last saw them, and what (if anything) has happened to the good Doctor Doom. When asked about Galactus, Arad said "What we're trying to do is not show him, but to show someone else, initially." Which Marvel fans immediately read as "Hey, SILVER SURFER!" He is the Herald, after all. Here comes the Power Cosmic!

I like the sound of that. (Maybe a wedding scene in that montage?)
Sounds like they may indeed be growing a brain.

 

[Iron Man™]

I'm really hoping FF2 will be better than the first. I want Thing to have more scenes!