Batman: Arkham Origins

[zenith16]

I haven't beaten Akrham Knight yet, but I agree. Origins had the best writing and characterizations. Even minor things, like Croc NOT looking like the Lizard from Spider-Man (which was probably a sin of the comics more than Rocksteady's, in the end), Bane not being bigger than a house, Batman moving the narrative forward by actively investigating and tracking down leads. I really liked how Origins pulled things back a little bit, and the Nolan Films inspired visual aesthetic really made me happy.

Even Lady Shiva looked spot on. If Arkham City had Shiva, I have serious doubts that she would have been as spot on as that.

It's kinda sad to hear that WB Montreal isn't going to make another Batman game. I thought they deserved another shot, one without a brutal deadline that kneecapped them during development.

it was stated they wouldn't?

bTW most people should look up the writer for origins too he has to take credit also if the story is an issue here. well some people that dumping repeatedly on a well known writer that did the first two installment's of Arkham and is now working for marvel on their animated show's & their still on going well I sure those people owe Mr Dini an apology. but hey only those peep that did so should those them know who they are.

And no this doesn't apply to chris cause he never did so. I just put in the same breath. I was just asking him about where it was stated with WBM in that they're blocked of batman titles/ games ? Cause that's a damn shame.

 

[Oscorp]

Didn't the IGN article say they're working on a new IP? I interprete that as not a Batman game then.

 

[zenith16]

I guess we'll have to find out what it is then ether happy their still working even if the director Homles left for another studio & publisher.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Yeah, the IGN article is saying it's a "new open world IP", which means it's not Batman.

I never really blamed Dini for any of the story stuff I didn't like, really. I always thought that they marketed too much on his name, giving him too much credit or blame for anything and everything. Which, wound up seeming like he got all the credit and none of the blame from some circles because he's Paul Dini.

I still need to finish Arkham Knight, so everything I'm saying is basically about Asylum, City and Origins. I'll feel much more confident about where Knight fits in on the spectrum once I beat it.

 

[Naked Shia]

I did blame Dini, and I still do. the two games he didn't work on have the best stories and best characterization of batman.

 

[dude stannis]

I hate Batman in AK. He has the personality of a doorknob, gives the most generic one line responses I.E. "We will catch Scarecrow" to any statement and still treats his team mates like s*** this late into his career. Arkham Origins I'd say did the best job, since he's an appropriately angry young man.

 

[Nathan]

Would love to get a sequel to Origins, where he takes in Dick and trains him to be Robin. And since he's still young, hopefully he won't be as much of an ass to him.

 

[Havok83]

Would love to get a sequel to Origins, where he takes in Dick and trains him to be Robin. And since he's still young, hopefully he won't be as much of an ass to him.

Thats a good idea, although I wouldnt mind them ditching Batman and doing a Nightwing spinoff

 

[Nathan]

I wouldn't mind that either. Wouldn't even mind a game about everyone but Batman. Oracle and Tim would probably get attention in a game without the Bat.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

I had no idea that Eric Holmes left WB Montreal. I though he was deep in development in that proposed Suicide Squad game.

 

[Snow Queen]

Would love to get a sequel to Origins, where he takes in Dick and trains him to be Robin. And since he's still young, hopefully he won't be as much of an ass to him.

Origins 2 with Dick and Babs, Origins 3 with Dick going his own way and [BLACKOUT]Jason's rise and fall[/BLACKOUT] over the course of several months instead of one night.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I dunno....I'm about half way through Arkham Knight, and Bruce doesn't seem to be that big a jerk. I thought he seemed almost hostile towards Robin in Arkham City, though. Doesn't seem so bad in Arkham Knight. Bruce being a dick isn't exactly new, either. Seen this portrayal a ton of times in the comics, and even in the DCAU.

But, like I said...I'm only half way through. Plenty of time for Batman to be more dickish, I guess.

 

[zenith16]

I had no idea that Eric Holmes left WB Montreal. I though he was deep in development in that proposed Suicide Squad game.

I put up in the Gaming lounge thread Tronny told me once that everyone pay attention to that thread when I said & noticed that wasn't the case I should have put it up here also. cause there are people here that only go to certain thread's but I have stated in the past with arkham nights thread you must of missed it when I did .

 

[Benstamania]

I don't see it as Bruce being a dick to Tim.. It's him protecting him.. And if he has to be being hostile.. Then so be it.

 

[zenith16]

well there being protective but when it's don that way too many people take in in the worst way possible be side to me it'swas just pushing the I want to be alone stick some certain parto fo the bat man fandom have put at odd withthe rest. which was made fun off withthe lego batman & justice league show reacently this year.

so yesterday after chris told me about the IGN article I did look it up. cause I was out ofthe loop for a bit. but there was a specific peace with the article I found that said this in the quote's I'm putting up for you all below.


Batman: Arkham Origins studio working on an open world game that isn't Batman

30-06-2015 • 2 days 4 hours ago•
Comments3

Rocksteady announced Batman: Arkham Knight just as Warner Bros. Montreal were finished up DLC for Arkham Origins - and for a while there it looked like the two studios would tag-team the series. But that annualised future looks unlikely now: Rocksteady have revealed they’re done with Batman for good, and Montreal appear to be working on something else entirely.

new technical director will be working with the “scripting languages and design tools of the Unreal Engine” - which will mean UE4.

It’s possible that Montreal are working on more than one game - they built Lego Legends of Chima Online alongside Arkham Origins, and multi-million dollar investment from Quebec government has seen the studio expand.
It does seem impossible that Warner Bros. would let the Arkham series slip into the shadows, doesn’t it?

source:PCGamesN

 

[Benstamania]

I maintain to everyone that Origins has the best story and characterisation of the Arkham games.

Yup.

 

[HauntedKnight]

It's a very good game, just that it did nothing new after Arkham City. Doesn't mean that it's bad, but that is unfortunately how people think. Hell, this is the only game with a proper Batcave and it was awesome.

 

[Mister J]

^ That's the primary hangup from what I see. Well, that and that is was Glitch City for a number of people at the start. Not close to being a bad game though and, as mentioned, incredibly story/characterization.

 

[zenith16]

It's a very good game, just that it did nothing new after Arkham City. Doesn't mean that it's bad, but that is unfortunately how people think. Hell, this is the only game with a proper Batcave and it was awesome.

it added alot like the crime mode for the detective vision so bat man wouldn't contaminate the crime scene which will be another issue for cop's to hate on him the new feature to that combat system ninja lore part of what bat does with his enemy's weapon's & gear to put into his own tech with reverse Engineering. the freaking bat wing which you can pilot
pre Rocksteady obsession with bat mobile thnks to fan push latter with the latter before they be came nuts about it. .


Alot was added

the only real issue that really got in the way were bug's & issue's which was the main problem cause some it was rushed & it wasn't rock steady to certain parts of the fan base. Even though there was dev from rock steady that helped the design team create it all. which why sefton said there were part of origin's in knight in his interviews @ E3 like to the people of twitch & Morgan webb when she showed some new game play.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I don't see it as Bruce being a dick to Tim.. It's him protecting him.. And if he has to be being hostile.. Then so be it.

Yeah, thinking about it the times I thought he might have been a dick towards the Bat-family in AC and AK, one could probably argue it was to protect them by keeping them off the highest threat at the moment. Well, that and they really need to be doing whatever else they're doing (ie: Robin going back to Gotham to track down the vials of blood the Joker had sent to the hospitals).

I kinda look at it like him being the strict father. He's their dad, really. So behaving like a strict father to Robin and Nightwing works for me. I'd say he's far less cold towards someone like Oracle or Alfred, too. Except in Origins, but he was such an angry young guy that him directing it at as many people as he could made sense.

And man, you guys just reminded me of the Batcave. Origins actually got us the Batcave.

 

[Mister J]

The Batcave was fun. I wish there was more interaction there; maybe something with the workbench.

 

[zenith16]

The Batcave was fun. I wish there was more interaction there; maybe something with the workbench.

I did mention the reverse Engineering of teach & gear like the hacking device or what he took from death stroke to work into his bat claw. and there's the shock/ defibrillator gloves from eleticutioner

which ninja's acutlly did do if you saw transfomers G1 with the ninja bot or other wise with other ninja series it's a thing they always do that to make their enemies weapon's or useful gear their own.

which was a very nice touch by WB montreal.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

It's a very good game, just that it did nothing new after Arkham City. Doesn't mean that it's bad, but that is unfortunately how people think. Hell, this is the only game with a proper Batcave and it was awesome.

I see what you mean, though it felt like there was enough new stuff for me. But, I do see that being the big complaint, aside from the glitches people experienced, as the knock against the game. Which is too bad, because I've lost count of the number of times I've heard this game described as "bad" or
crap".

It's kinda what's got me wondering if everyone (non-Batfans, really) just want something entirely different that is far removed from the Arkham games, with none of the combat or the gliding or riddles. Or if there needs to be more time in between games, or if maybe a story or art style hook is enough.

I asked that question in the Akrham Knight thread, and got responses. But, I think it's something that WBIE is going to need to figure out so they could move forward with any future Batman games. I mean, it sounds nuts to me to throw away everything...some stuff that has changed videogames, where you'll have other games copy and past mechanics from the Arkham games.

And when you start cutting stuff, that's when you really learn how popular any given thing might be. Rocksteady cut out the traditional challenge maps, and more or less maneuvered them into the game world with story hooks. But, there's more than a few people who were pissed because the traditional challenge maps were cut. So, I wonder if the future of Batman games might just be a case of non-Batfans saying they want something new, but then freaking out when they don't get what we had before.

 

[zenith16]

It's kinda what's got me wondering if everyone (non-Batfans, really) just want something entirely different that is far removed from the Arkham games, with none of the combat or the gliding or riddles. Or if there needs to be more time in between games, or if maybe a story or art style hook is enough.

I asked that question in the Akrham Knight thread, and got responses. But, I think it's something that WBIE is going to need to figure out so they could move forward with any future Batman games. I mean, it sounds nuts to me to throw away everything...some stuff that has changed videogames, where you'll have other games copy and past mechanics from the Arkham games.

And when you start cutting stuff, that's when you really learn how popular any given thing might be. Rocksteady cut out the traditional challenge maps, and more or less maneuvered them into the game world with story hooks. But, there's more than a few people who were pissed because the traditional challenge maps were cut. So, I wonder if the future of Batman games might just be a case of non-Batfans saying they want something new, but then freaking out when they don't get what we had before.

The problem is one of the producer's from WBM promised Batman beyond title not rock steady. now I do think they should be able to work other stuff but as the article I put up from here stated

so yesterday after chris told me about the IGN article I did look it up. cause I was out ofthe loop for a bit. but there was a specific peace with the article I found that said this in the quote's I'm putting up for you all below.


Batman: Arkham Origins studio working on an open world game that isn't Batman

30-06-2015 • 2 days 4 hours ago•
Comments3

Rocksteady announced Batman: Arkham Knight just as Warner Bros. Montreal were finished up DLC for Arkham Origins - and for a while there it looked like the two studios would tag-team the series. But that annualised future looks unlikely now: Rocksteady have revealed they’re done with Batman for good, and Montreal appear to be working on something else entirely.

new technical director will be working with the “scripting languages and design tools of the Unreal Engine” - which will mean UE4.

It’s possible that Montreal are working on more than one game - they built Lego Legends of Chima Online alongside Arkham Origins, and multi-million dollar investment from Quebec government has seen the studio expand.
It does seem impossible that Warner Bros. would let the Arkham series slip into the shadows, doesn’t it?

source:PCGamesN

^^ I think they(WBM) can do more then one project these day's as stated . As I said the issue is being given the same privilege's Rock steady enjoyed with asking for push back when they needed to do so and more time.

Rock steadyhad this from the jump with the first game too people forget it was pushed back for polish.

also don't limit the entire game to one night. let the writers have each case batman or any spin deal with the villians like they would an comic issue or episode of any villain of the piece. so they each stand out & have their day. so to avoid grandstanding of a certain character.

people have been stating alot they want a reverse GTA but some element from this should still remain unless batman is force to operate inthe day time. other wise his alias's like Match's Malon ( will do ) for under cover work.

Alot can be done with batman. but it's time to drop Arkham as a title. it's run it's course

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Yeah, agreed. I think the "Worst Night Ever" approach certainly works. But, man when they stack up like that...it winds up feeling like deja vu over and over. Expanding the storytelling over the course of a year, The Long Halloween style for example, could give them way more opportunities than limiting themselves into one long night. You'd allow yourself room to do something interesting like devoting time to Batman's alter ego. Having Bruce attend a charity ball, seeing his issues with attachment to people by having bad break ups with girlfriends or something.

Definitely. A longer view of the storytelling could mean more opportunities to take the story into place the Arkham games couldn't, by virtue of taking place all in one night. I'd love for that being one of the changes made to the next Batman game.

I'm not sure if I'd like WBM to be working on more than one game. I'm not sure if they're as big as Rocksteady, but they'd have to be quite large to be able to balance two projects. Giving the next team, whoever they might be, as much time as Rocksteady would get is important too, for sure.