Batman Begins Batman Begins vs Batman: The Animated Series

[Spidey-Bat]

I never said dude from "The Batman" has a good voice, lol. All I am saying is, Conroy is quite a few notches below Bale, Keaton, and Kilmer. Since essentially Conroy was imitating Keaton anyway, and didn't make it sound near as cool. Conroy is the most overrated thing along with B:TAS among Batman fans. It simply isn't as good as the legend you potray it to be.

Conroy imitated Keaton A little, but he developed his own voice during the show.
Don't mention Bales voice. It is utter crap. I'd rather Clooney's or West's Batman voice (which is no different than their normal voice) than Bale's growl. BTAS isn't overrated. It's highly praised by Batman fans and many critics. Ofcourse, overrated has come synonomous with "I don't like it" here at SHH.

 

[chi-boy]

You get used to Bale's voice like that as the film goes on. They was really only 2 examples where his voice sucked: The scene with Racheal in the subway and when he says "Its not who I am that defines me etc." Other than that it was on point like when he's talking to Gordon or when he got Flass on a leash .

You get used to the fact that that's how his voice is going to sound for the duration of the movie, and that it isn't going to get any better. That doesn't make it good. He still sounds constipated.

 

[Whack Arnolds]

If by Bale's voice was crap, means it is completely awesome, and the only innovative and unique approach since Keaton...then, yes by all means it is crap.

 

[chi-boy]

If by Bale's voice was crap, means it is completely awesome, and the only innovative and unique approach since Keaton...then, yes by all means it is crap.

Unique yes, innovative no. Batman is supposed to be cool, not sound like a 50-yr old female chainsmoker.

 

[batmaluco]

Unique yes, innovative no. Batman is supposed to be cool, not sound like a 50-yr old female chainsmoker.

How can one thing to be unique and not to be innovative?

 

[Whack Arnolds]

How can one thing to be unique and not to be innovative?

LOL, exactly. Completely contradicted himself in the same sentence. Oh, and I might like to add that 50 year old + chainsmokers sound EXTREMELY intimidating. Bale brought this to the table. Hell, his voice in the video game owns Conroy's Keaton impersonation.

 

[TheGrayGhost]

LOL, exactly. Completely contradicted himself in the same sentence. Oh, and I might like to add that 50 year old + chainsmokers sound EXTREMELY intimidating. Bale brought this to the table. Hell, his voice in the video game owns Conroy's Keaton impersonation.

No he didn't. "Unique" and "innovative" are not mutually exclusive.

Oh, and I loved Bale's voice, but Conroy's will always be the definitive Batman for me. And he didn't impersonate Keaton. That's just rubbish.

 

[Super_Ludacris]

You get used to the fact that that's how his voice is going to sound for the duration of the movie, and that it isn't going to get any better. That doesn't make it good. He still sounds constipated.

Not really.

Like I said in the scene where he's got Flass and when he's talking to Gordon in the Asylum it sounds fine.

 

[chi-boy]

Not really.

Like I said in the scene where he's got Flass and when he's talking to Gordon in the Asylum it sounds fine.

It's just too bad it's not consistent.

 

[TheGrayGhost]

It's just too bad it's not consistent.

He changes the depth, pitch, and cadence of his voice to suit a given sitation (much like Conroy), but it is in fact very consistent.

 

[Whack Arnolds]

How can a voice be inconsistent? lol.. it's just use differently in different contexts.

 

[Whack Arnolds]

No he didn't. "Unique" and "innovative" are not mutually exclusive.

Oh, and I loved Bale's voice, but Conroy's will always be the definitive Batman for me. And he didn't impersonate Keaton. That's just rubbish.

Yeah, well he did impersonate Keaton. BTAS was HEAVILY influenced by the Burton movies, and it is quite obvious Conroy borrowed alot from Keaton's performance.

 

[TheGrayGhost]

How can a voice be inconsistent? lol.. it's just use differently in different contexts.

A voice can be inconsistent, but it is not so in this case.

Yeah, well he did impersonate Keaton. BTAS was HEAVILY influenced by the Burton movies, and it is quite obvious Conroy borrowed alot from Keaton's performance.

No, he didn't. The two are in fact very different in both vocal performances and characterization. I think you'll find that there are very few elements that the BTAS borrowed from Burton franchise. The only major element that was "copied" was the look of The Penguin. But that was later changed, which was a good thing in my opinion.

 

[Whack Arnolds]

A voice can be inconsistent, but it is not so in this case.



No, he didn't. The two are in fact very different in both vocal performances and characterization. I think you'll find that there are very few elements that the BTAS borrowed from Burton franchise. The only major element that was "copied" was the look of The Penguin. But that was later changed, which was a good thing in my opinion.

True, once the series established its own character and mythos...it broke off from the heavy influence of the movies.

 

[TheGrayGhost]

True, once the series established its own character and mythos...it broke off from the heavy influence of the movies.

Agreed. But you're still implying that it shared elements from the Burton franchise at some point. Which is not true. But I must give credit where credit is due: without B89, there would likely be no BTAS.

 

[Whack Arnolds]

Agreed. But you're still implying that it shared elements from the Burton franchise at some point. Which is not true. But I must give credit where credit is due: without B89, there would likely be no BTAS.

No, it shared alot...even its theme was almost a direct form of the Burton score. It was heavily influenced (see batmobile, catwoman, penguin, Joker's name being Jack etc.)...but it did slowly start to break away.

 

[TheGrayGhost]

No, it shared alot...even its theme was almost a direct form of the Burton score.

The key word is "almost."

The opening sequence (which is not the character's leitmotif) is derivative from some of the cues of B89, but they were still different works which conveyed different ideas; there are similarities, mind you, afterall, they were both composed by the same man (Danny Elfman), but there are more than enough differences too. Furthermore, you must keep in mind that this Danny Elfman-composed score was only used for the opening sequence. The real theme (and leitmotif of Batman) of the series is composed by Shirley Walker which is vastly different. I could go on, but it may get rather trivial...

It was heavily influenced (see batmobile, catwoman, penguing, Joker's name being Jack etc.)...but it did slowly start to break away.

Let's handle these one by one. First, there's the Batmobile. The fact that both incarnations of the vehicle in B89 and BTAS are derivative from the Batmobile in the comics certainly means that they will share similar constructs. But let's take a look at them, shall we?

They're totally different designs.

Next there's Catwoman. The same issue with the Batmobile applies here. Both characters are adapted from the Catwoman in the comics, and there are bound to be some similarities. But we are thinking just in terms of appearances; the characterizations of these respective characters are totally different from the get-go. The same occurs with the Penguin; they're respective appearances are similar, but their characterizations are vastly different.

And as for "Jack Napier," as far as I know, that name has only been spoken once throughout the entire run of the DCAU (not just BTAS.) And it was some unknown Arkahm assistant who assumed or inferred it was his name. It's commonly understood among the fans of the DCAU that the name is just one possibility in the long list of mysteries of The Joker. Again, though, the characterizations are vastly different.

BTAS was very different from the Burton franchise from the start.

 

[Whack Arnolds]

I never said the stuff was the exact same, I said heavily influenced. And it was. Even Bruce Timm admitted to it. It was created to help gauge interest for Batman Returns.

 

[TheGrayGhost]

I never said the stuff was the exact same, I said heavily influenced. And it was. Even Bruce Timm admitted to it. It was created to help gauge interest for Batman Returns.

Yeah, I guess I took it too far. But I wouldn't say it was heavily influenced at all. If one says that, there is implication that the series borrowed a lot.

 

[Phaser]

But let's take a look at them, shall we?

They're totally different designs.

No, they're not. The TAS Batmobile obviously seems to be inspired by the one in the Burton films. The front headlights are in the same position, as is the rear rocket exhaust. The basic design is very much reminiscent of the Burtonmobile, in that both are long and imposing in the front and short in the rear. The position and opening of the cockpit, another similiarity.

The only time the TAS Batmobile doesn't look like it's Burton films counterpart is in the 4th season.

 

[El Payaso]

Exact same s^it with little variations.

 

[TheGrayGhost]

I don't see it guys. They are different designs to me.

 

[Hellrider]

I grew up with BTAS ... I remember waking up every saturday for BTAS, Spiderman, and X-men ... I absolutely loved BTAS when I was a kid, and that never changed aswell. The voice were great, Mark Hamill is the voice of Joker. I absolutely love Begins, but I just love TAS just ... and I mean just... alittle more than Begins. I also prefer spiderman TAS and X-men TAS over any X-men and Spiderman movie. I just prefer the cartoons.

 

[Hellrider]

I don't see it guys. They are different designs to me.

They look pretty different to me ... Ofcourse there are going to be similarities, but there are more differences than similarities.

 

[Phaser]

I don't see it guys. They are different designs to me.

Really? Even after I've laid it down for you? I'm not saying you to just look at the pictures and figure it out for yourselves. I actually highlighted the similiarities between the two designs. Perhaps you're not seeing it because the TAS Batmobile has a sleeker, more futuristic look while the Burtonmobile has more curves and comparitively appears a bit more dated.