Batman Begins Batman Begins vs Batman: The Animated Series

[Qoèlet]

Any actor with creativity can tell you there's no one way to do things.

If the character depicted in Batman TAS was anything like the Batman from "Superfriends", that would be a halfway decent argument. As is, the fact that the character Conroy was portraying was far more akin to Miller and Burton's Batman... as the vast majority of contemporary depictions were and have thereafter been. There wasn't a whole lot of variety in how to act the character. Now, had the writers decided to make Batman the campy product of the 60's, or even the more serious, but still rather personable Batman that the 1970's portrayed, Conroy might have elected to go a different route, but as things stand he still seperated himself pretty well from Keaton by choosing to play Bruce Wayne as an artificial-sounding caricature and Batman as a far more natural-sounding, if darker, voice. Keaton's Batman voice was a fake tough guy voice to hide the real man, whereas Conroy's was the real character.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Yeah, that's pretty much true.

 

[El Payaso]

If the character depicted in Batman TAS was anything like the Batman from "Superfriends", that would be a halfway decent argument. As is, the fact that the character Conroy was portraying was far more akin to Miller and Burton's Batman... as the vast majority of contemporary depictions were and have thereafter been. There wasn't a whole lot of variety in how to act the character. Now, had the writers decided to make Batman the campy product of the 60's, or even the more serious, but still rather personable Batman that the 1970's portrayed, Conroy might have elected to go a different route, but as things stand he still seperated himself pretty well from Keaton by choosing to play Bruce Wayne as an artificial-sounding caricature and Batman as a far more natural-sounding, if darker, voice. Keaton's Batman voice was a fake tough guy voice to hide the real man, whereas Conroy's was the real character.

Your argument is so weak that Bale himself did something different in the scene interrogating Flass.

So there.

 

[Atomic Crusader]

BTAS is really good, amazing work, but I identify with seeing Batman portrayed on film by a real person more strongly. And strangely, 'Begins reminds me more of the comics than BTAS. The comics are the ultimate, the source. 'Begins it is.

 

[CConn]

BTAS is really good, amazing work, but I identify with seeing Batman portrayed on film by a real person more strongly. And strangely, 'Begins reminds me more of the comics than BTAS. The comics are the ultimate, the source. 'Begins it is.

BB is more influenced on the current and recent comics than the more classic stories like BTAS is, I think.

 

[SeriousDuke]

I would run home everyday after school to watch BTAS on FOX. I loved it.

Time passed... and I was away from the show for quite a while. Then, the good folks at WB decided to release box sets of the show. Well, jolly good then! But wait, I was but five years old when BTAS ended... would it still be good? I bought the sets. They were everything I hoped for and remembered as a kid, wrapped in one nice nostalgic bow. Excellent! The show was perfect for kids, yet equally perfect for adults.

Then, Batman Begins came out. It was great... but not as good as BTAS.

LONG LIVE BTAS!

 

[bdsproductions]

it's really a tie for me,i have seen volume one,MOTP actually ALl the aniamted films and most of volume two,it's harldly a kiddy show,it is a extremly great show.

 

[Qoèlet]

Your argument is so weak that Bale himself did something different in the scene interrogating Flass.

So there.

 

[Whack Arnolds]

Actually, BEGINS is based more off classic comic eras and stories then it is off the modern comics. All the way down to how Batman talks, and the amount that he speaks, to how he acts as Bruce Wayne. As Bruce, he seems alot more cheerful in BEGINS (ala 70's Batman and B:TAS) then he is in the current comics. The current Batman stuff sucks.

 

[bdsproductions]

Actually, BEGINS is based more off classic comic eras and stories then it is off the modern comics. All the way down to how Batman talks, and the amount that he speaks, to how he acts as Bruce Wayne. As Bruce, he seems alot more cheerful in BEGINS (ala 70's Batman and B:TAS) then he is in the current comics. The current Batman stuff sucks.

no it does'nt.this Batman is the eightie to nineties Batman IMO the best one,you get DKR the Loeb GN's and more!.

 

[Whack Arnolds]

no it does'nt.this Batman is the eightie to nineties Batman IMO the best one,you get DKR the Loeb GN's and more!.

Batman doesn incoporate heavily, the best of the 90's (Long Hallwoeen), and 80's (Batman: Year One). So, BEGINS virtually encompasses all interesting and vital aspects of the character.

 

[Superman4ever]

I refuse to choose you fascist sons of Bi*ches!

It's like asking 'which kid do you love the most?'

 

[TheGrayGhost]

Cripes. They're the same effing car. Except maybe fior that thing on the front.

Maybe you see something that I don't. I don't see the same vehicle.

Now, somebody claim that this animated penguin wasn't influenced by Burton and make my day.

It's interesting to note that Bruce Timm hated the Burton vision of The Penguin, and wanted to do a more refined and less-mutant like Penguin, but WB Animation forced him to base his design off of the Burton one. He later changed it.

I don't think you'll find anyone who will say that the design wasn't influenced by the Burton vision, but I will say that the characterizations are totally different.

 

[El Payaso]

I don't think you'll find anyone who will say that the design wasn't influenced by the Burton vision

I found one ignoring the batmobiles similarities so i don't lose my hopes.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Well......it's no secret that BTAS was inspired by a few visual aspects of BATMAN 89 and maybe even BATMAN RETURN a bit.

The cars are obviously inspired too.

 

[TheGrayGhost]

I found one ignoring the batmobiles similarities so i don't lose my hopes.

If you are referring to me, I must say again that I simply don't see the similarities; I'm not ignoring them, I just don't think the similarities are there is all.

Well......it's no secret that BTAS was inspired by a few visual aspects of BATMAN 89 and maybe even BATMAN RETURN a bit.

The cars are obviously inspired too.

There are very, very few. And even then, those similarities were forced upon them by WB Animation. They were more mandates than inspiration.

I honestly don't see much of an influence of the Burton films on the TAS. Both the visuals and the characterizations are incredibly different (which I think is a good thing.) And I'm not the only one who feels that way; just go visit Toonzone and see what they have to say there.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I think the overall dark tone could be about it.....but then one would be forced to look towards the comics too.

That's the thing about studios....they force things...and make things worse. It's Timm's style and his group of people that manages to make it work. JLU, for example...I thought the studio forcing them to ante up the roster like that would have killed them.....but it worked incredibly well. JLU owns all.....and sadly, it's STILL getting killed. Why....why.....why.....

 

[JoeBoxer]

I just want to present this idea but what if someone were to make a Batman animated series not like the ones in the past but something like the Spawn cartoon I don't mean as in gory but just for a older audience more dark and mature like the comics. what are your thoughts? What could they Show?

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I dunno....we're getting an adult-type Batman with the films. And so, I think Wb just sees the cartoons as a way to hit the children market hard and heavy (ewww).

 

[Lobster Charlie]

A bit of an impossible comparison. BATS has years of stories to develop the characters---Batman Begins is but ONE film, and an origin story at that.

But, to delve into specifics, I'd say that BATS is the definitive style guide to the Batman mythos. Batman is a 2D character, from comics, so naturally the cartoon will have the edge. However, Begins delved far deeper into the actual persona of Bruce Wayne/Batman, the complexities of his motivations, and, in just one film, really cemented the idea that Batman exists because Bruce Wayne has more than just vegenance on the line with his being the guardian of Gotham. The whole Wayne legacy and their history with Gotham is a very important aspect in making Batman and Bruce Wayne feel like a real person.

I'd love to see a combination of BB's grittines with BTAS...tweaking the style accordingly (not being too iconic and slick...slick, but with a bit more detail) and bumping the rating up to PG-13 at the least.

 

[TheGrayGhost]

I think the overall dark tone could be about it.....but then one would be forced to look towards the comics too.

That's the thing about studios....they force things...and make things worse. It's Timm's style and his group of people that manages to make it work. JLU, for example...I thought the studio forcing them to ante up the roster like that would have killed them.....but it worked incredibly well. JLU owns all.....and sadly, it's STILL getting killed. Why....why.....why.....

That was actually all Bruce Timm's idea.

 

[captain_jimbo]

I refuse to choose you fascist sons of Bi*ches!

It's like asking 'which kid do you love the most?'

Couldn't agree more, it's like Sophie's choice.

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I dunno....I read in an interview with Timm, that the studio had a few demands....one being no more 2-part episodes (the season before, they had these pretty good 2-part story arcs all season long, but that was forced out) and I'm pretty sure the roster was a stuido move too.

Then there's the violence.....the first year of BTAS, "On Leather Wings" had Batman beed a little....and the was the first and last time that was allowed. But hey....BTAS was the first cartoon to be allowed to actually use guns, and not stupid laser guns.....i mean, wtf.......

 

[CConn]

Couldn't agree more, it's like Sophie's choice.

Which is why I gave you all the option to simply post the Swiss flag if you couldn't decided. But none of you seemed to read that part of my post.

I bet you're liberals.

 

[FCEEVIPER]

Animated and live action: can't really compare them, its a huge difference, its kinda ridiculous to do so- if you ask me.


But a gun to my head...I say BB.

I bet you're liberals.

:::Raises hand:::