BvS Batman V Superman Box Office Prediction - - - - Part 13

[super85]

Again, Forbes and Washington Post said around 800 million, and I think (I might misrember so sorry not putting words in anybodys mouth or keypad) Pony Boy said that 800 was about right for it breaking even.

Most likely the only people knowing the exact numbers work for WB.

 

[wobbly]

Might wanna get back on topic people. Friendly advice.

 

[All-Father]

Just because an opinion is held by the majority doesn't mean that it's fact; it's still just an opinion.

Again, not at all opinions are equally valid. Some, like mine, are substantiated by solid evidence. Yours is not.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Let's call it 875$ million? Maybe a little less.

When it's all said and done, box office wise, maybe the Deadline 200+ million surplus they were expecting will be closer to 125+million all revenue accounted for. But, it won't lose money.

They were praying for huge front-loading on a film like this because they keep that higher percentage first couple weeks. The longer it goes, the less they keep week to week even if it somehow develops even average legs.

Either way you slice it, it is losing money on the box office run and not making nearly enough money to justify spending more on a JL movie, which will more then likely make less because of the reaction to this film.

They don't make these movies to split $100m among the investor. A lot better ways to spend that kind of money.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Again, Forbes and Washington Post said around 800 million, and I think (I might misrember so sorry not putting words in anybodys mouth or keypad) Pony Boy said that 800 was about right for it breaking even.

Most likely the only people knowing the exact numbers work for WB.

The numbers are now skewed because of the small domestic haul. Deadline has been favorable to WB, pushing this as some sort of success. Even they have had to stop doing that.

 

[Flickster]

Days of the Future Past.

Days of Future Past is part of a franchise that precedes the standard created by Marvel Studios and subsequently has an established fan base that is familiar with and accepting of its tone. Hence, its positive reception. On the other hand, the DCEU is the new kid on the block and has to play by established rules in order to be liked.

 

[All-Father]

And the excuse that this is not doing well because is not marvel-kid friendly is ridiculous.

 

[luca_frontino]

I wonder which Halloween costume will be worn more by kids this year? Ant Man or a murdering Batman or a misanthropic Superman?

May I remind you the fandom phenomenon that was Ledger as Joker in 2008? Not exactly a character shining with morality.
And Bane, also, in 2012, though not at the same level, did get a big fandom quoting him all over the geeky websites.

My point is that maybe it wasn't Batman who made the last two installment of Nolan series reach the billion prize.
Maybe it was the villains.

Remember that Batman Begins didn't even made 400 million globally?
Maybe people had lost interest because of Batman & Robin, but let's say WB waited until today to reboot Batman with Begins.
If it had been released last week, do you honestly think it'd end at a billion? I wouldn't bet a dime on that.
Not even Nolan could make Inception and Interstellar do it with their quality alone.

Another cause of this huge drop may not be for the movie's quality and Snyder direction (I can't believe both Avengers, Iron Man Three and The Force Awakens are better than this [I haven't seen the movie yet, I want to check it out directly in the uncensored cut]), but for brand and character appeal.

Don't forget that the same Abrams who made Into Darkness and less than 500 million globally, made Episode 7 and over 2 billion.

So, it might be possible that DC characters are now simply less appealing than Marvel's and Star Wars'.

 

[First Avenger]

I just don't understand why apologists blame Marvel for this trainwreck. According to your logic,critics and audiences should hate the X-Men movies too. It's nobody's fault but WB if this movie didn't deliver.

 

[Sarcastic Fan]

Blaming Marvel and Disney for all of Warner Bros' problems. Never gets old.

 

[OtherwiseKnownAs]

This is a new era in which comic-book movies are judged according to the standards created by Marvel's films, which are what the mainstream audience prefers. Remember, The Dark Knight was released back in 2008, which was around the time that Marvel began releasing its movies. Therefore, the standard created by Marvel wasn't around back then.

********. Complete and utter ********. A good movie is going to be a good movie, it doesn't matter what "era" it's released in. The box office for this movie isn't bad because of some arbitrary "Marvel standard" rhetoric, it's bad because it's a bad movie. TDK would still be as beloved today as it was in 2008. Hell, in 2012, when Marvel was at their peak in terms of box office, and the Avengers just came out, critics still loved TDKR. Even more than some fans.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

"From executive producer Christopher Nolan"

Exactly.

Pretty much all of the commentary in the Nolan Batman films was handled in satisfying ways that added to the narratives. Batman v Superman didn't feel like it even had a cohesive narrative and was just saying these things because it wanted to handle some edgy things.

I agree, but that is a problem with the movie.

Days of the Future Past.

Captain Deadpool

 

[Pickle-El]

Yes, exactly, WB are idiots. At the end of the day this seems tome all too similar to the Josh Trank situation on FanFourStick: Fox handed him a pile of money and then never paid attention he was producing a pile of dung until it was all gone.

Didn't anyone at WB look at the script or the dailies? Batman killing people, whole crowds getting blown up, Superman being killed...no one waved a red flag? Non one pointed out how it wouldn't appeal to exactly the mass audience they gave Snyder $250 million to reach?

I know it's popular to bash Snyder but the people really to blame are the ones in the WB executive suite.

The studio should have known where this was heading. We've all seen the concept art, the ending was always planned this way. It was never going to be a "feel good" film.

The WB has always had this fascination with the Death Of Superman storyline, and now they have gotten in made. I just don't understand that idea, the suits have gone through regime changes, and still it somehow stuck through it all.

They need to find a balance between MOS's Superman and the public perception of Superman as the hero who smiles and saves cats from trees...and for God sakes, if you don't ditch Snyder, change out that editor. Both MOS and BvS had some jarring transitions. It's really disrupting.

 

[First Avenger]

The Amazing Spider-Man 2 was a (bad) copy of a standard Marvel movie. How did that fare?

 

[Flickster]

Again, not at all opinions are equally valid. Some, like mine, are substantiated by solid evidence. Yours is not.

Your evidence is literally the opinions of others. Hence, my statement that just because an opinion is held by the majority doesn't mean that it's a fact. What part of that do you not understand? Furthermore, there are many films that are negatively received by the majority when they're released but that go on to become cult classics. Does that mean that they're initially crap but then magically become gold? Facts don't change; opinions do. Check and mate. I'm done with you.

 

[Maximum_Maximus]

Just because an opinion is held by the majority doesn't mean that it's fact; it's still just an opinion.

And those opinions translate into dollar bills, which is what essentially comes down to.

We can bring up TF4 (one of the worst movie going experience of my life) as proof that box office don't mean a thing. In the case of BVS though, I think it does.

 

[All-Father]

I just don't understand why apologists blame Marvel for this trainwreck. According to your logic,critics and audiences should hate the X-Men movies too. It's nobody's fault but WB if this movie didn't deliver.

Because the don't want to admit this is a trainwreck, so it's better to attack the competition using the the marvel is kid friendly excuse.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

May I remind you the fandom phenomenon that was Ledger as Joker in 2008? Not exactly a character shining with morality.
And Bane, also, in 2012, though not at the same level, did get a big fandom quoting him all over the geeky websites.

My point is that maybe it wasn't Batman who made the last two installment of Nolan series reach the billion prize.
Maybe it was the villains.

Remember that Batman Begins didn't even made 400 million globally?
Maybe people had lost interest because of Batman & Robin, but let's say WB waited until today to reboot Batman with Begins.
If it had been released last week, do you honestly think it'd end at a billion? I wouldn't bet a dime on that.
Not even Nolan could make Inception and Interstellar do it with their quality alone.

Another cause of this huge drop may not be for the movie's quality and Snyder direction (I can't believe both Avengers, Iron Man Three and The Force Awakens are better than this [I haven't seen the movie yet, I want to check it out directly in the uncensored cut]), but for brand and character appeal.

Don't forget that the same Abrams who made Into Darkness and less than 500 million globally, made Episode 7 and over 2 billion.

So, it might be possible that DC characters are now simply less appealing than Marvel's and Star Wars'.

That moment you realize that JJ's Star Trek movies were by far the biggest moneymakers in the history of the series.

Also, you forgot about the dinosaurs, who haven't had a relevant film in over 20 years.

 

[All-Father]

Your evidence is literally the opinions of others. Hence, my statement that just because an opinion is held by the majority doesn't mean that it's a fact. What part of that do you not understand? Furthermore, there are many films that are negatively received by the majority when they're released but that go on to become cult classics. Does that mean that they're initially crap but then magically become gold? Facts don't change; opinions do. Check and mate. I'm done with you.

LOL. Someone is desperate.

 

[Pickle-El]

And the excuse that this is not doing well because is not marvel-kid friendly is ridiculous.

BvS def isn't a 4 quadrant film, and it should have been.

Even if you took kids to it, would they really need them to see that ending again?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Your evidence is literally the opinions of others. Hence, my statement that just because an opinion is held by the majority doesn't mean that it's a fact. What part of that do you not understand? Furthermore, there are many films that are negatively received by the majority when they're released but that go on to become cult classics. Does that mean that they're initially crap but then magically become gold? Facts don't change; opinions do. Check and mate. I'm done with you.

I have never heard of a $400m budget cult classic. And I like John Carter.

 

[Axl Van Sixx]

This is a new era in which comic-book movies are judged according to the standards created by Marvel's films, which are what the mainstream audience prefers. Remember, The Dark Knight was released back in 2008, which was around the time that Marvel began releasing its movies. Therefore, the standard created by Marvel wasn't around back then.

Since is the box office thread, I'd just like to point out that The Dark Knight actually made a lot more money than the first Iron Man, and came out afterwards.

While I disagree with him on the merits of BvS, I think OtherwiseKnownAs is right in that a good movie is a good movie, and it's possible to create new trends. But for whatever reasons, BvS didn't connect with audiences in the same way that Marvel films have.

My worry now is studios will retreat to the safe and familiar, resulting in a homogenization of product where all superhero films will mimic the MCU template. That will in turn lead to the genre becoming stale.

Anyway, strictly speaking I'm more interested in the ramifications of the movie's box office results than the actual numbers themselves, so rather than being accused of derailing the thread I'll probably duck out at this point.

 

[All-Father]

I have never heard of a $400m budget cult classic. And I like John Carter.

Bvs is too deep. People will see the truth in the next decades.

 

[kalelvis]

So, while it is obvious that online ticket tracking can't gauge total sales it does provide a fairly accurate look at movie ranking. Yesterday online sales as tracked by Movietickets.com and Fandango pulse had BvS 2d at number one, Zootopia at number two, BvS 3d at number three, and MBFGW2 at number 4 which matches the total sales yesterday exactly.

Of the movies playing BvS had the most to lose from the NCAA championship game based on its key demo which is reflected in the significant drop compared to other non summer second Mondays.

The Boss is still failing to show up in presales tracking being skipped over by CA:CW.

Today,, online sales are tracking the same as they did for the last four days. What is telling is that BvS went from being 70 percent of the sales to just north of 25 percent which tracks very accurately with its actual sales (walk up and online).

This movie is a clear disappointment at the box office but it puts WB in a pretty awkward place. They let Snyder work on a three hour cut and panicked. We will never know how that three hour cut would have played to critics had it been released. It may have been better for WB to have said, "we support our directors and the story Zack has crafted is an "R" rated film that the audience deserves to see." Then if it bombed they could say "Zack you are out of here!"
But now, there is the big "if" of what could have happened. Now, I haven't seen the 3 hour cut so I don't know if works better or not, but given the one consistent in the negative (and positive reviews) that it has structural/editing issues I have to believe it has to be a bit smoother of a presentation.

 

[Flickster]

I'm off to play MGSV on my PC. I'll be back later. Bye, mates.