BvS Batman V Superman Box Office Prediction - - - - Part 13

[Kobra]

You do realize that Iron Man defeats your whole argument right? They built good will through films that critics and GA agreed were good. IM2 was a problem, cleared up by the reception to the Avengers.

Batman Begins is actually another example that hurts your argument greatly, because it shows what bad films do to a good franchise. And what a great film like Batman Begins can do to bring it back to life. The multiplier and home media sales showed people were extremely happy with what they got. Then TDK happened.

IM3 was able to make as much money as a movie that: 1- Had a better critical reception; 2- Was the sequel of a movie with a better critical reception than The Avengers.

This pretty much proves that the quality of the movie itself is not as important as elements of mass appeal, like, for example, a family friendly tone, humour and a very charismatic lead. It's not that IM3 is a better movie than TDKR. It doesn't even need to be. That's the point. If you play-by-the-book you get a big pass. If you don't, different story.

Now, you bring Batman Begins into your argument for what? To help me prove my point that movies aren't soley judged by their quality? That factors other than people's opinions on the quality of the movie can help to make or break it? Well thank you.

 

[Angryfantasyfan]

It sports a dismal 29 percent approval rating on Rotten Tomatoes. And it's the only movie opening above $150 million that's received a B CinemaScore; the rest earned a B+ or some variation of an A grade

Everybody loves to dismiss the CinemaScore.

 

[Doctor Jones]

It's shocking to think a Batman vs Superman movie might not even hit 800 million, and with no competition in theaters. Unbelievable.

Batman v Superman should have smashed nearly every record and given TFA a run for its money based on the principle of these icons. Especially if MOS was well loved. There's something seriously wrong when they're not just hitting that, they're hitting well below it.

Wasn't Sucker Punch supposed to be another Blade Runner as well? I remember it clearly.

Snyderchasers: "Y..you'll see, Sucker Punch is poorly received just like Blade Runner. It the future it shall be revered."

Whatever happened to that?

People said the same about Watchmen. Back when I thought the movie was good, I thought the same thing. "Oh, give it time, it'll gain more recognition."

It's just not a good movie. Neither is this. A movie like Batman v Superman isn't the type of movie that should gain a greater understanding in the years to come. What kind of rationale is that? This is the exact opposite of what this kind of movie should do. And the numbers shouldn't lie with a movie like this too.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Batman v Superman should have smashed nearly every record and given TFA a run for its money based on the principle of these icons. There's something seriously wrong, when they're not just hitting that, they're hitting well below it.

Let's not blow things out of portions. Star Wars is Star Wars. Cinema king.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

IM3 was able to make as much money as a movie that: 1- Had a better critical reception; 2- Was the sequel of a movie with a better critical reception than The Avengers.

This pretty much proves that the quality of the movie itself is not as important as elements of mass appeal, like, for example, a family friendly tone, humour and a very charismatic lead. It's not that IM3 is a better movie than TDKR. It doesn't even need to be. That's the point. If you play-by-the-book you get a big pass. If you don't, different story.

Now, you bring Batman Begins into your argument for what? To help me prove my point that movies aren't soley judged by their quality? That factors other than people's opinions on the quality of the movie can help to make or break it? Well thank you.

Iron Man 3 is a Lethal Weapon flick. It is not "family friendly". You do realize TDKR sold as many if not more tickets then IM3 right? 3D. Do you even know what you are talking about?

The only thing that has more mass appeal then Batman is Star Wars. But crappy movies chip away at these things, which is why you have BvS opening huge even with the letdown of MoS. Why TFA being beloved is suddenly the third highest grossing film of all time even with the prequels.

BvS opened huge. It feel off a cliff once people saw it. That is a movie problem. And films are judged solely on quality as seen through the eyes of those that watch it and recommend it. The critics and GA have rejected this movie. Harshly. They don't like it, they don't tihnk it is good.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Let's not blow things out of portions. Star Wars is Star Wars. Cinema king.

Well in terms of films it most certainly is now.

Batman and Superman have been around longer and their brand recognition and symbols alone are known by everybody in the world. They're pretty equal if not greater given that they're the thing you think of when superheroes are discussed. As characters in and of themselves you don't need a whole movie to know who they are.

This is outside the films of course. Yet in a perfect world, this above mentioned conceit should have matched the eventual box office. There's no excuse.

I mean my God, Batman and Superman FINALLY in the same movie. Who would win? The question has been discussed for years.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Looks like there is a very real chance BvS might make as much as Star Wars made only domestically. Lulz.

 

[Snow Queen]

Well in terms of films it most certainly is now.

Batman and Superman have been around longer and their brand recognition and symbols alone are known by everybody in the world. They're pretty equal if not greater given that they're the thing you think of when superheroes are discussed. As characters in and of themselves you don't need a whole movie to know who they are.

This is outside the films of course. Yet in a perfect world, this should have matched the eventual box office. There's no excuse.

I mean my God, Batman and Superman FINALLY in the same movie. Who would win? The question has been discussed for years.

Seems the answer to that question is no one wins. Not even WB, at this rate.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Looks like there is a very real chance BvS might make as much as Star Wars made only domestically. Lulz.

It is not getting close to Star Wars' domestic number. It is not getting over 900m at this point.

 

[smashmode]

Looks like there is a very real chance BvS might make as much as Star Wars made only domestically. Lulz.

Its going to make less domestically, might not even be close.

 

[Kanon]

Let's not blow things out of portions. Star Wars is Star Wars. Cinema king.

I was expecting numbers in the ballpark of TFA, of course maybe not as good, but something massive, somewhere close. I always say (no offense intended ) that the 2 most crazy fan bases are SW and Batman fans (Harry Potter 3rd are very far, but getting closer). You can talk trash about Batman or SW without a horde of fans going at your throat at a minute's notice. I was expecting the same kind of following and blind praise for BvS (It's actually comforting seeing that a bad movie didn't get a pass)

 

[All-Father]

Wasn't Sucker Punch supposed to be another Blade Runner as well? I remember it clearly.

Snyderchasers: "Y..you'll see, Sucker Punch is poorly received just like Blade Runner. It the future it shall be revered."

Whatever happened to that?

Really? The Snyder apologists came up with that one too?

 

[Doctor Jones]

Seems the answer to that question is no one wins. Not even WB, at this rate.

The whole point of these cinematic universes is that they want to MATCH Marvel's money and have their Avengers. That's it. It makes less as a result of a bad film yes, it's a disappointment no matter what.

I mean to think Batman and Superman and even Wonder Woman in the same movie should have kicked The Avengers to the curb on name recognition alone. They're still king in principle given their iconography, but the Marvel films have made their C and B list heroes just as iconic now. It's what happens when you respect and understand your characters.

I wonder which Halloween costume will be worn more by kids this year? Ant Man or a murdering Batman or a misanthropic Superman? It goes to show, you just can't go on principle and iconography alone, something you will notice Snyder always citing as reasoning for these movies. More superficial ******** than doesn't amount to a good movie.

If this film has taught us anything, it's that just having Batman in your movie isn't going to get you a billion dollars. What will make a billion dollars is a Chris Nolan Batman film because he's a great filmmaker handling an already great character.

 

[super85]

So will we got international numbers for Monday too? any estimates about those?

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Wait, why is 'family friendly' used as a pejorative? Marvel is family friendly. And?

It's family friendly like some of the greatest blockbusters ever made are family friendly.

Nolan's Bat films are also family friendly. So?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I was expecting numbers in the ballpark of TFA, of course maybe not as good, but something massive, somewhere close. I always say (no offense intended ) that the 2 most crazy fan bases are SW and Batman fans (Harry Potter 3rd are very far, but getting closer). You can talk trash about Batman or SW without a horde of fans going at your throat at a minute's notice. I was expecting the same kind of following and blind praise for BvS (It's actually comforting seeing that a bad movie didn't get a pass)

No offense taken, I completely agree. As a Star Wars, Batman and Potter fan, I know how crazy my brothers and sisters in fandom are.

 

[Sarcastic Fan]

Wait, why is 'family friendly' used as a pejorative? Marvel is family friendly. And?

It's family friendly like some of the greatest blockbusters ever made are family friendly.

Nolan's Bat films are also family friendly. So?

Same mentality.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Wait, why is 'family friendly' used as a pejorative? Marvel is family friendly. And?

It's family friendly like some of the greatest blockbusters ever made are family friendly.

Nolan's Bat films are also family friendly. So?

What you don't understand is that comic book characters, who are intended for kids, shouldn't be in family friendly movies.

 

[Zero_Effect]

Wasn't Sucker Punch supposed to be another Blade Runner as well? I remember it clearly.

Snyderchasers: "Y..you'll see, Sucker Punch is poorly received just like Blade Runner. It the future it shall be revered."

Whatever happened to that?

I am going to go out on a limb and say no one was saying Sucker Punch was the next Blade Runner.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I am going to go out on a limb and say no one was saying Sucker Punch was the next Blade Runner.

And you would be wronged. It, and Watchmen and now BvS are misunderstood masterpieces that our tiny minds cannot understand.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

Really? The Snyder apologists came up with that one too?

I actually really liked Sucker Punch, it's fun in a dumb kind of way. I read a cool fan theory on a Cracked article that said the whole thing was in her head as a result of getting abused and then lobotomized at the end. Way to deep for anything Snyder could come up with but makes the replay value a little better on that one.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

I am going to go out on a limb and say no one was saying Sucker Punch was the next Blade Runner.

http://moviepilot.com/posts/3715624

I was wrong! Not just the next Blade Runner but the next Fight Club as well.

 

[baerrtt]

Same mentality.

It's ironic when you consider some have accused Bay of gross sexism in the TF films and Optimus coming off as more aggressive than in the sequels.

 

[Zero_Effect]

http://moviepilot.com/posts/3715624

I was wrong! Not just the next Blade Runner but the next Fight Club as well.

Using Movie Pilot to make a point is never a good idea.

 

[Poni_Boy]

I am going to go out on a limb and say no one was saying Sucker Punch was the next Blade Runner.

"Zack Snyder trusted his viewers to be intelligent individuals those who do not need constant spoon feeding"

Swear I heard this in BvS arguments as well

http://moviepilot.com/posts/3715624