BvS Batman V Superman Box Office Prediction - - - - - - Part 15

[SomeOldGuy]

I know, right? How many millions were wasted, that could have been saved if the script had been tighter and better constructed, and they'd only filmed what was actually needed to tell the story?

To be fair, we don't know how much of that was Snyder just letting the camera run all day and how much was the results of studio notes, requests for reshoots, mandates to film and include all the JL trailers & the whole knightmare/Flash sequence, the decision to put WW in the movie, etc. My guess is that it was a combination of both.

 

[Webhead38]

$150 - $200M is fine for a SS, Cyborg or even a WW movie.

Not for a JL movie. Who's going to want to see Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, Flash, Aquaman, and Cyborg not have huge action sequences.

There's also a branding issue attached to Justice League now. Will the general public view this as just a sequel to BVS which will still be fresh in their minds? That's a consideration given the mass rejection of the film after opening weekend and the general criticism of Snyder directing this last installment. If critics trounce Justice League even remotely as bad as they did BVS, the public may be more keen to listen to those reviews and not give JL the big opening weekend BVS got. They are familiar with the story and the director now.

 

[InCali]

Oh yeah, I'm not saying they spent the money wisely or anything like that.

But still, if BvS had hit AoU numbers, and gotten the critical feedback to set the stage for JL, no one would even be talking about the budget.

And I'm not saying they spent the money wisely either. As OldGuy sez, we don't know why it was spent. We just know it was.

 

[Logan0327]

too many studios crap too much money into these blockbusters honestly i think only 20th century fox is the only studio who knows how to manage a budget

 

[Erzengel]

too many studios crap too much money into these blockbusters honestly i think only 20th century fox is the only studio who knows how to manage a budget

The previous head of Fox was a notorious tightwad and as much as I like the X-Men movies, but that's why their movies are more drama driven than action driven.

 

[Raiden]

too many studios crap too much money into these blockbusters honestly i think only 20th century fox is the only studio who knows how to manage a budget

I guess you don't know much about Marvel Studios, because they're famous for keeping budget low by Hollywood standard. I think the first Avengers movie cost about the same as MOS did. Perlmutter, who used to be the head of MS until Kevin Feige replaced him recently, is very fugal when it comes to money.

 

[Orba]

$150 - $200M is fine for a SS, Cyborg or even a WW movie.

Aren't there some reports that SS's budget could be as high as $250M?

Infact wasn't it rumoured at that long before the recent reports of reshoots that WB say are to add more action (so more money being spent).

 

[Orba]

The previous head of Fox was a notorious tightwad and as much as I like the X-Men movies, but that's why their movies are more drama driven than action driven.

TBH I think the main reason he is now in charge at Sony is that he is so tight with money. Sony has a massive problem of overspending and he has a reputation of keeping the books balanced.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

I guess you don't know much about Marvel Studios, because they're famous for keeping budget low by Hollywood standard. I think the first Avengers movie cost about the same as MOS did. Perlmutter, who used to be the head of MS until Kevin Feige replaced him recently, is very fugal when it comes to money.

Only because of Perlmutter's infamous frugality. He is gone now.

 

[kalhawj]

Worldwide: $827,311,730

At this point it should craw to 850-875 million WW at the end of it's run. Not bad for a move that divided fans and critics alike.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

But still, if BvS had hit AoU numbers, and gotten the critical feedback to set the stage for JL, no one would even be talking about the budget.

Exactly. That was my original point. If this movie did Avengers money, like it should have then them spending $450 million wouldn't have been an issue.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

The previous head of Fox was a notorious tightwad and as much as I like the X-Men movies, but that's why their movies are more drama driven than action driven.

It can backfire too. Look at what going cheap on Fantastic Four got them.

 

[Mjölnir]

I guess you don't know much about Marvel Studios, because they're famous for keeping budget low by Hollywood standard. I think the first Avengers movie cost about the same as MOS did. Perlmutter, who used to be the head of MS until Kevin Feige replaced him recently, is very fugal when it comes to money.

The Avengers actually cost $5 million less than Man of Steel according to Boxoffice Mojo.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

So how bad were the drops this past weekend? Did Jungle Book hit it as hard as most of us thought it would?

 

[Erzengel]

61% drop.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/showdowns/chart/?view=weekend&id=superherosmackdown.htm

Compared to mid 40s with AOU, IM3 and TDKR at the same time.

We're probably looking at only 6 digit, Mon - Thurs dailies.

 

[InCali]

61% drop.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/showdowns/chart/?view=weekend&id=superherosmackdown.htm

Compared to mid 40s with AOU, IM3 and TDKR at the same time.

We're probably looking at only 6 digit, Mon - Thurs dailies.

That's the estimate. I tracked the drops from last week and if they follow Friday's form (a little bit worse because of JB), it will be under 9M. I think that's going to happen when the actuals come out.

 

[Kobra]

Worldwide: $827,311,730

At this point it should craw to 850-875 million WW at the end of it's run. Not bad for a move that divided fans and critics alike.

Around 200M more than the previous film isn't that bad, even though it isn't that good either, considering how much the studio spent.

WB is a company that has experienced bigger losses with DC characters, including Batman and Superman. So they understand these characters aren't guaranteed money makers.

Now, people might say "oh, they need to fire Zack Snyder". Well, maybe they do. But the reality is that it isn't as easy to find a good replacement as you may think. Not every talented director wants to make super hero movies. A lot of them might be busy with other projects. It probably came to a point where it was either Snyder or some other less known and less proven director who represents an even bigger risk for the studio. At least Snyder has proven he can make two Superman movies in a row that at least can make some money. Bryan Singer is considered a much better director and he couldn't do that. WB is aware of that. They know they have had better people on board that failed harder than Snyder. That's why he isn't fired...yet.

At this point, you either need a genius like Nolan directing the movies or you need someone like Kevin Feige making sure that the movies follow a certain path.

I also think WB needs to stop trying to do what Marvel is doing.

 

[Orba]

It had a $15M OS weekend.

Exhibitor Relations ‏@ERCboxoffice BATMAN V SUPERMAN earned $15.3M overseas this weekend, $518M total. CHN ($95M) UK ($50M) MEX ($35M)

 

[Kanon]

If the latest numbers thrown around are correct (BO share is 51% DOM, 48% OS), then BvS is less than 8M of breaking even, not counting participations or stuff like that (311*0.51 + 518*0.48= 407.4, vs 250 budget + 165 publicity = 415)

Not sure if that share is correct, % of China BO seems to be very peculiar.

 

[InCali]

Around 200M more than the previous film isn't that bad, even though it isn't that good either, considering how much the studio spent.

WB is a company that has experienced bigger losses with DC characters, including Batman and Superman. So they understand these characters aren't guaranteed money makers.

Now, people might say "oh, they need to fire Zack Snyder". Well, maybe they do. But the reality is that it isn't as easy to find a good replacement as you may think. Not every talented director wants to make super hero movies. A lot of them might be busy with other projects. It probably came to a point where it was either Snyder or some other less known and less proven director who represents an even bigger risk for the studio. At least Snyder has proven he can make two Superman movies in a row that at least can make some money. Bryan Singer is considered a much better director and he couldn't do that. WB is aware of that. They know they have had better people on board that failed harder than Snyder. That's why he isn't fired...yet.

At this point, you either need a genius like Nolan directing the movies or you need someone like Kevin Feige making sure that the movies follow a certain path.

I also think WB needs to stop trying to do what Marvel is doing.

You might be right, but it's been so lucrative for Marvel that it's virtually impossible to resist and maybe stupid not to try to do something of the sort. It's the way things work in the industry.

 

[Gerontophobe]

If the latest numbers thrown around are correct (BO share is 51% DOM, 48% OS), then BvS is less than 8M of breaking even, not counting participations or stuff like that (311*0.51 + 518*0.48= 407.4, vs 250 budget + 165 publicity = 415)

Not sure if that share is correct, % of China BO seems to be very peculiar.

The usual math for blockbusters is about 53% domestically, 40% internationally, and 25% in China. That math gives you $358M that WB has taken home so far from the box office, well short of enough to cover their marketing and production costs.

 

[Kobra]

You might be right, but it's been so lucrative for Marvel that it's virtually impossible to resist and maybe stupid not to try to do something of the sort. It's the way things work in the industry.

They can be very lucrative too with a different approach. They just have to hire really good writers and really good directors to make solo movies of their main characters. That's all they need. Nolan did it.

 

[Mysteryman]

WB is certainly not trying to copy Marvel in terms of the tone of their DC films

 

[Kobra]

WB is certainly not trying to copy Marvel in terms of the tone of their DC films

But they wanna create a cinematic universe and make movies with a lot of their characters. I understand that desire, but it doesn't need to happen. I don't think Flash or Aquaman need a movie. We don't need a movie of everything that exists. You don't need a movie about my underwear.

 

[The Endless]

They don't need the same tone as Marvel.

But what they should take from Marvel is that they respect and understand their characters. They make their characters likeable and relatable.

Who likes or can relate to Superman in BvS? Not many people it seems. There isn't a single fist pumping, crowd pleasing moment for Superman in this film. There isn't even a great, memorable line of dialogue for him. There could have been at Capitol Hill...