BvS Batman V Superman Box Office Prediction - - - - - - Part 15

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I thought the casting for both WW and Aquaman are poor. Chris Pine hasn't had a successful movie outside of Star Trek, Gal Gadot is best known for her supporting role in Fast & Furious franchise and her most recently movie, Criminal, is a flop (just like Henry Caville's The Man from UNCLE). Jason Mamoa had a very forgettable debut as the starring actor in a movie (Conan) and his appearance in Game of Thrones is that of a foreigner who speaks little. I personally would not trust any of them to carry a franchise on their own.

When was RDJ's last non Marvel movie which was a hit? Or Chris Evans or Hemsworth for that matter? It doesn't matter if they are in other successful movies or not and it doesn't make it bad casting either.

 

[rashad]

Overseas total went up with actuals.

Domestic: $311,330,086 37.5%
+ Foreign: $518,000,000 62.5%
= Worldwide: $829,330,086

 

[Legendver2]

But they wanna create a cinematic universe and make movies with a lot of their characters. I understand that desire, but it doesn't need to happen. I don't think Flash or Aquaman need a movie. We don't need a movie of everything that exists. You don't need a movie about my underwear.

We also didn't need a movie about Ant-Man or GotG, but alas we did, and all the better. Because MCU is such a success, almost every other studio with iconic properties is trying to do what they're doing, not just DC. Universal is trying to create a shared cinematic universe with their Universal Monsters characters. Bay is trying to create one with transformers. Hell, even Columbia is trying to do a shared universe with MIB and 22 Jump Street. So don't think DC is the only one trying to chase that Marvel success.

 

[Gerontophobe]

When was RDJ's last non Marvel movie which was a hit? Or Chris Evans or Hemsworth for that matter? It doesn't matter if they are in other successful movies or not and it doesn't make it bad casting either.

This is getting rather off topic, but I generally agree that casting unknowns isn’t a problem as every actor is a (relative) nobody to the GA until that first big hit (or they win an Oscar). To try to stay on topic, I don’t think many actors have a major impact on box office. There are exceptions that have a loyal fanbase (such as The Rock) but I don’t think casting Affleck (as great as that was) was a huge draw with audiences; they showed up for BvS because of the characters headlining the thing.

That being said, using RDJ as an example seems kind of stupid. He is probably the only actor in the MCU that I would characterize as a draw. As for other hits, both Sherlock Holmes pics crossed $500M (the first on only a $90M budget). Tropic Thunder didn’t do terribly well but Due Date made a profit. Also, Hemsworth has been in two Huntsman flicks while Evans was in the first Fantastic Four (which actually did well relative to its budget). While those two aren’t really draws, it’s not like they aren’t in other blockbusters.

In the end, BvS didn’t succeed or fail on the strength of the stars’ names (although I feel that Eisenberg was miscast). It sputtered because the audience didn’t enjoy, and critics hated, the mess that Snyder put together.

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

Seriously? Where would that money come from? $2,500 per ticket?

The R rated cut bro.

 

[Snow Queen]

The R rated cut bro.

It's been brought up before, but the Avatar re-release only grossed around $10 million, roughly half of which goes to the studios. Why exactly would the highest grossing film of all time only take in $10 million from an extended cut re-release, while a critically panned and financially disappointing film with a drop that rivaled X-Men Origins: Wolverine take in over $150 million?

 

[Tacit Ronin]

The R rated cut bro.

You are severely, hilariously overestimating audience interest in an R rated cut of a film they hated.

 

[Erzengel]

Well seeing the r rated cut would save me half the money than buying it on blu-ray.

 

[Tilapia]

10 million re-release? Wow, for Avatar that's a re-release flop. Would have figured a couple dozen million at least.

 

[Snow Queen]

Slight error, the 10 number was domestic only I just realized. $33 million roughly worldwide. Nonetheless, the question about how that only gets that much while BVS would apparently make over $150 remains.

 

[Poni_Boy]

The R rated cut bro.

No way it would make a tenth of that, bro

 

[Poni_Boy]

Slight error, the 10 number was domestic only I just realized. $33 million roughly worldwide. Nonetheless, the question about how that only gets that much while BVS would apparently make over $150 remains.

Yep. And domestic is more than likely the only market an r rated 3 hr cut would be released. Doubt it would make more than $1 mil, but that's erroneous because they don't have the screens for it.

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

No way it would make a tenth of that, bro

Well I'm not an expert like you, bro. Still can't come to terms that BvS wont make a billion. Wow.

BTW have you seen the new Kong?

 

[noakai]

Anyone have any data on how many theaters this still has? My local one only has one room showing this per day, compared to 4 theaters for Jungle Book. I don't know if mine ditched it early or if it's like that all over. But it's definitely gonna start losing screens soon regardless.

 

[SomeOldGuy]

Anyone have any data on how many theaters this still has? My local one only has one room showing this per day, compared to 4 theaters for Jungle Book. I don't know if mine ditched it early or if it's like that all over. But it's definitely gonna start losing screens soon regardless.

Mojo tracks counts here: http://www.boxofficemojo.com/counts/

 

[Lantern Venom]

Worldwide: $827,311,730

At this point it should craw to 850-875 million WW at the end of it's run. Not bad for a move that divided fans and critics alike.

Yes, in the end it will be a decent financial success. Yet I'm sure WB was expecting, or at least hoping, that BvS would pull in Avengers-type of money w/ 1.5B.

 

[Limonade]

Anyone have any data on how many theaters this still has? My local one only has one room showing this per day, compared to 4 theaters for Jungle Book. I don't know if mine ditched it early or if it's like that all over. But it's definitely gonna start losing screens soon regardless.

FWIW, there was only one room showing BvS at my local AMC theater. That was Saturday night.

 

[Stark Bauer]

In light of the more recent reports that BvS needs to make 900-925M to make a profit, I would call it a dud. It will make another 100M or so from home video sales and merchandise.

Each week and each day brings us a new surprise lol

 

[Kobra]

In light of the more recent reports that BvS needs to make 900-925M to make a profit, I would call it a dud. It will make another 100M or so from home video sales and merchandise.

Each week and each day brings us a new surprise lol

I wouldn't put that much weight on those reports. They're not official and you have absolutely no way to know if they're right or wrong.

 

[egg]

In light of the more recent reports that BvS needs to make 900-925M to make a profit, I would call it a dud. It will make another 100M or so from home video sales and merchandise.

Each week and each day brings us a new surprise lol

counting merchandise and bluray expected sales it made a profit before 800 mil.

 

[OzzMosiz]

I wouldn't put that much weight on those reports. They're not official and you have absolutely no way to know if they're right or wrong.

Exactly. We do not know how much WB saved with "Hollywood accounting" on the marketing or with the promotional tie-ins and there were a LOT!

 

[kedrell]

Sometimes BvS can exceed expectations.

Eh, it's still a terrible drop. But usually when the estimates are THAT close to a more or less whole number as they were here with $9.01m then it just seems that often fudging by studios happens to create a better story in the headlines even if it's undone the next day by actuals. All it means is that it'll take an extra week for it to fall behind Zootopia is all.

 

[Stark Bauer]

I wouldn't put that much weight on those reports. They're not official and you have absolutely no way to know if they're right or wrong.

Have they started filming JL?

If the answer is no, then why?

The answer is probably related to the those reports.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

This is getting rather off topic, but I generally agree that casting unknowns isn’t a problem as every actor is a (relative) nobody to the GA until that first big hit (or they win an Oscar). To try to stay on topic, I don’t think many actors have a major impact on box office. There are exceptions that have a loyal fanbase (such as The Rock) but I don’t think casting Affleck (as great as that was) was a huge draw with audiences; they showed up for BvS because of the characters headlining the thing.

That being said, using RDJ as an example seems kind of stupid. He is probably the only actor in the MCU that I would characterize as a draw. As for other hits, both Sherlock Holmes pics crossed $500M (the first on only a $90M budget). Tropic Thunder didn’t do terribly well but Due Date made a profit. Also, Hemsworth has been in two Huntsman flicks while Evans was in the first Fantastic Four (which actually did well relative to its budget). While those two aren’t really draws, it’s not like they aren’t in other blockbusters.

In the end, BvS didn’t succeed or fail on the strength of the stars’ names (although I feel that Eisenberg was miscast). It sputtered because the audience didn’t enjoy, and critics hated, the mess that Snyder put together.

RDJ wasn't a draw when they cast him though, he was anything but. Plus the last Sherlock Holmes movie was in 2011, 5 years ago, and those other movies were not mega hits in the slightest. Same with the ones you listed for Evans and Hemsworth. They were moderate hits at best.

On the original point though you can't say Aquaman and WW have been casted poorly based on about 10 seconds and 30 mins screen time respectively. It also doesn't mean anything the actors cast have not been in many hits before.

 

[Webhead38]

It would be interesting to know if Justice League is indeed filming right now. The studio's PR machine was quick to mention it's starting date before the release of BVS, but have since gone quiet.