BvS Batman V Superman Box Office Prediction - - - - - - Part 15

[Mjölnir]

RDJ wasn't a draw when they cast him though, he was anything but. Plus the last Sherlock Holmes movie was in 2011, 5 years ago, and those other movies were not mega hits in the slightest. Same with the ones you listed for Evans and Hemsworth. They were moderate hits at best.

On the original point though you can't say Aquaman and WW have been casted poorly based on about 10 seconds and 30 mins screen time respectively. It also doesn't mean anything the actors cast have not been in many hits before.

Well, you can certainly have worries about those castings as Momoa and Gadot has shown themselves in movies before and there are certainly people that call them mediocre, or even poor actors based on that.

From a personal standpoint I'm uncertain if Gadot can carry a movie since she did struggle with some of the few lines she had in BvS, despite not having to show much emotional range. Leading a movie will be more demanding. I never saw Momoa's Conan so I don't know how he fared in that role. I liked him as Khal Drogo, but that was a very silent role in comparison, but I hope for the best as he certainly has the physical attributes.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Well, you can certainly have worries about those castings as Momoa and Gadot has shown themselves in movies before and there are certainly people that call them mediocre, or even poor actors based on that.

From a personal standpoint I'm uncertain if Gadot can carry a movie since she did struggle with some of the few lines she had in BvS, despite not having to show much emotional range. Leading a movie will be more demanding. I never saw Momoa's Conan so I don't know how he fared in that role. I liked him as Khal Drogo, but that was a very silent role in comparison, but I hope for the best as he certainly has the physical attributes.

Sorry but I have to disagree, how can you judge Mamoa as Aquaman when he hasn't played a role like it before. Same with Gadot as WW. Her solo movie will be very different to BvS so I wouldn't judge her much on that either. Plus if you want to be picky, she had some great moments in BvS also. She is often cited as the character who stole the show.

Also as an example. Hemsworth and Huddleston were literally nobody's when they were cast. Now I honestly couldn't imagine anyone else in their roles in the MCU. So again. I totally disagree with the point made by the original poster.

 

[jmc]

I agree that Gadot still has a lot to prove in terms of being able to lead a film. In fact a lot of the praise she is getting I believe isn't so much for her, it's for the character. Gadot herself isn't going to be enough to be a box office draw for WW, she actually has to be good. Problem is I have seen enough of her to believe there's a decent chance she won't be. I don't think she has the acting talent to lead her own film. Happy to be proven wrong though.

 

[Mjölnir]

Sorry but I have to disagree, how can you judge Mamoa as Aquaman when he hasn't played a role like it before. Same with Gadot as WW. Her solo movie will be very different to BvS so I wouldn't judge her much on that either. Plus if you want to be picky, she had some great moments in BvS also. She is often cited as the character who stole the show.

Also as an example. Hemsworth and Huddleston were literally nobody's when they were cast. Now I honestly couldn't imagine anyone else in their roles in the MCU. So again. I totally disagree with the point made by the original poster.

I can agree that it's too early to say that someone is a poor casting if you haven't seen the role, but I do think it's perfectly fine to be worried and disappointed if you think a bad actor has been cast in a role. The point about how successful their movies have been is much less relevant to me though as I don't care about a movie's finances, as long as it doesn't sink something I like. I care about good movies.

With Momoa we'll have to see how he plays Aquaman but he's brought a pretty similar vibe to all his warrior roles in the past so I think we've seen a bit of it, and I think that's why he was cast.

Regarding Gadot I think we can say quite a bit now as we've actually seen her in the role, even if it wasn't a large part of BvS. I liked her in the party scene where I think she acted well. I thought she was a bit shaky in some other acting scenes though, so I'll remain skeptical but hopeful.

As for Hemsworth and Hiddleston I don't think they were in the same situation as Momoa and Gadot are now. The former two were unknown rather than being perceived as less talented by some. Most hadn't seen them at all and definitely not in roles like the ones in the MCU. Momoa has done plenty, including several warriors in the nerd genre, and Gadot has played WW by now.

But as said, I don't think they should be completely written off even if you don't like their previous works. I will go and watch those movies with an open mind and hope for the best.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I can agree that it's too early to say that someone is a poor casting if you haven't seen the role, but I do think it's perfectly fine to be worried and disappointed if you think a bad actor has been cast in a role. The point about how successful their movies have been is much less relevant to me though as I don't care about a movie's finances, as long as it doesn't sink something I like. I care about good movies.

With Momoa we'll have to see how he plays Aquaman but he's brought a pretty similar vibe to all his warrior roles in the past so I think we've seen a bit of it, and I think that's why he was cast.

Regarding Gadot I think we can say quite a bit now as we've actually seen her in the role, even if it wasn't a large part of BvS. I liked her in the party scene where I think she acted well. I thought she was a bit shaky in some other acting scenes though, so I'll remain skeptical but hopeful.

As for Hemsworth and Hiddleston I don't think they were in the same situation as Momoa and Gadot are now. The former two were unknown rather than being perceived as less talented by some. Most hadn't seen them at all and definitely not in roles like the ones in the MCU. Momoa has done plenty, including several warriors in the nerd genre, and Gadot has played WW by now.

But as said, I don't think they should be completely written off even if you don't like their previous works. I will go and watch those movies with an open mind and hope for the best.

That's pretty much my view on it as well. What my original response was to a guy who said Gadot and Momoa were poor casting choices based on their previous roles which I just don't agree with. Hence why I listed other movies fellow CBM actors had done that weren't very good. As long as they are good in their chosen roles who cares if they have been in good or bad movies previously?

Prime example is Bautista as Drax, a piece of casting I hated for a long time. Yet when I saw the movie I couldn't be more impressed with how he played the role.

 

[TeeKay]

Gadot seemed to struggle with some of her lines in BvS. I doubt she'd be much better in her solo film.

 

[JOE]

I agree that Gadot still has a lot to prove in terms of being able to lead a film. In fact a lot of the praise she is getting I believe isn't so much for her, it's for the character. Gadot herself isn't going to be enough to be a box office draw for WW, she actually has to be good. Problem is I have seen enough of her to believe there's a decent chance she won't be. I don't think she has the acting talent to lead her own film. Happy to be proven wrong though.

I'm in the same boat, although I didn't understand the hype for WW? All the early reviews said how badass she was. I didn't care for her at all, I felt she wasn't needed. I think the majority of hype came from Wonder Woman being on the big screen with Supes and Bats. Nobody was raving about Gal's "performance" and how she made the character her own. She was just kind of there I guess? Still a terrible actress, IMO. There's way better leads they could have went with.

At this point without a MAJOR change in direction, pun intended, I'm not pumped for the Justice League movies AT ALL. Those movies should be making Avengers money. I don't see it happening with Snyder leading the way. I also don't buy the, "man, it's Superman, Batman AND Wonder Woman on screen together! It's going to make a billion." I can see the same crap coming up for the Justice League movie. "Man, Aquaman plus the Flash Plus Cyborg PLUS the trinity! This is making over a billion hands down." If the movie is anything like BvS I can guarantee it will bring in the same box office numbers within 75M.

 

[Mjölnir]

That's pretty much my view on it as well. What my original response was to a guy who said Gadot and Momoa were poor casting choices based on their previous roles which I just don't agree with. Hence why I listed other movies fellow CBM actors had done that weren't very good. As long as they are good in their chosen roles who cares if they have been in good or bad movies previously?

Prime example is Bautista as Drax, a piece of casting I hated for a long time. Yet when I saw the movie I couldn't be more impressed with how he played the role.

Yes, I was also very skeptical towards Bautista so that's a good example how it can work, even though Drax is of course a simpler role to play than the lead in a movie. We'll see how it turns out. Hopefully well, and despite that I think Gadot was up and down in BvS I think Jenkins is very likely to be better with actors than Snyder, based on the movies I've seen from the two.

 

[InCali]

We also didn't need a movie about Ant-Man or GotG, but alas we did, and all the better. Because MCU is such a success, almost every other studio with iconic properties is trying to do what they're doing, not just DC. Universal is trying to create a shared cinematic universe with their Universal Monsters characters. Bay is trying to create one with transformers. Hell, even Columbia is trying to do a shared universe with MIB and 22 Jump Street. So don't think DC is the only one trying to chase that Marvel success.

The box office success Marvel has had makes it, IMO, almost irresponsible for others not to try something of the same thing. If not irresponsible, certainly enticing beyond resistance. Whether others can pull it off is another question, but I think DC HAD to try. The BvS BO numbers show that it's easier said than done.

MIB and 22 shared universe......okay that may be pushing it, but I'd love to see Josh run down a Cephalopod. LOL.

 

[InCali]

Well, you can certainly have worries about those castings as Momoa and Gadot has shown themselves in movies before and there are certainly people that call them mediocre, or even poor actors based on that.

From a personal standpoint I'm uncertain if Gadot can carry a movie since she did struggle with some of the few lines she had in BvS, despite not having to show much emotional range. Leading a movie will be more demanding. I never saw Momoa's Conan so I don't know how he fared in that role. I liked him as Khal Drogo, but that was a very silent role in comparison, but I hope for the best as he certainly has the physical attributes.

With regard to the casting (since I think I singled out Momoa as a particular concern), I've seen him in some roles and I just don't think he's very good. That being said, he could surprise me and I'm not counting that out. I like the idea of AM being some big, ol' dude rather than the blonde guy I remember from years ago in my old JL comics, but, well, I have my doubts.

With regard to Gadot, I thought her performance was uneven in BvS. There were some parts I liked though and I'm going to give her the benefit of the doubt and chalk the not-so-good stuff to the director (who always gets the blame).

Pine I have no problem with. He'll do fine IMO.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Yes, I was also very skeptical towards Bautista so that's a good example how it can work, even though Drax is of course a simpler role to play than the lead in a movie. We'll see how it turns out. Hopefully well, and despite that I think Gadot was up and down in BvS I think Jenkins is very likely to be better with actors than Snyder, based on the movies I've seen from the two.

Of course an even better example is Michael Keaton as Batman. A universally hated casting at the time and look how that turned out.

But yeah, though i like Snyder I can see Jenkins getting a better performance out of Gadot.

 

[jmc]

Gadot seemed to struggle with some of her lines in BvS. I doubt she'd be much better in her solo film.

Even I can admit she was awesome in the fight sequence, but ultimately I feel that where the praise was coming from, not from Gal's acting.

 

[SomeOldGuy]

The box office success Marvel has had makes it, IMO, almost irresponsible for others not to try something of the same thing. If not irresponsible, certainly enticing beyond resistance. .

Eh, I dunno. It's starting to seem to me that, outside of Marvel, much (if not all) of the "shared universe" talk is just marketing buzz for the press and shareholders. Kind of the hip, happen' thing to say you're doing today in the wake of Marvel's success. But the MCU exists today as a byproduct of how Marvel Studios came to be -- a company set up specifically to produce comic book moves using Marvel characters. All the other (alleged) "shared universes" come from movie studios that make all kinds of films now saying "oh, look, we're gonna group this set of films together as a 'universe!'" And surprise (not), so far not one of these new universes has gotten off the ground.

 

[Erzengel]

Taking MCU aside, there's only been really 2 other shared universe movies that I can tell at least in the CBM genre.

Deadpool and BvS. The X-men movies are essentially sequels and prequels with spinoff Wolverine movies. BvS goes without saying.

 

[TeeKay]

Even I can admit she was awesome in the fight sequence, but ultimately I feel that where the praise was coming from, not from Gal's acting.

Which means anyone could have taken that role regardless. And I agree, it was more so the fighting than the Gadot herself. Which is just worrying to say the least.

 

[Erzengel]

MCU has only released one movie at $250M budget and that's AOU. Everything else has been under. With the budget of CW which caused the power shift, I wouldn't be surprised if that was $250 too.

TDKR is listed at $250M as is BvS.

Funny tidbit, the Force Awakens is only at $245M.

 

[Predator jp]

Which means anyone could have taken that role regardless. And I agree, it was more so the fighting than the Gadot herself. Which is just worrying to say the least.

yeah but people loved the grin she gave during he fight and that was her idea so maybe people felt she nailed the character like no other actresses. who knows.

 

[Lencho01]

Which means anyone could have taken that role regardless. And I agree, it was more so the fighting than the Gadot herself. Which is just worrying to say the least.

I don't know. She didn't seem to have much to work with. All the praise she got would be like praising the Mercy and Jenny actresses for their work here.

I do agree with those who feel it's the idea of seeing WW on screen that is getting people to talk so highly of her. I did actually start thinking of the other actresses who were up for the role and imagining them in her scenes (that's how engaged I was with the film). But, I think she'll be fine.

 

[InCali]

Of course an even better example is Michael Keaton as Batman. A universally hated casting at the time and look how that turned out.

But yeah, though i like Snyder I can see Jenkins getting a better performance out of Gadot.

I remember the Keaton thing, but here's a big difference; Michael Keaton is by many Leagues (pun intended) a better actor than Momoa.

 

[Kanon]

No Monday numbers yet?

Also: I can't believe people are comparing controversial casting choices of good, experienced actors, with the likes of Momoa and Gadot, pretty much nobodies even if you put them together

 

[Micromind]

No Monday numbers yet?

Also: I can't believe people are comparing controversial casting choices of good, experienced actors, with the likes of Momoa and Gadot, pretty much nobodies even if you put them together

Are you saying that Chris Hemsworth is an example of good, experienced actor who cannot be compared with Momoa / Gadot ?

BTW, (Domestic Total as of Apr. 17, 2016)

Domestic: $311,330,086 37.5%
+ Foreign: $518,000,000 62.5%
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= Worldwide: $829,330,086

 

[Mjölnir]

Of course an even better example is Michael Keaton as Batman. A universally hated casting at the time and look how that turned out.

But yeah, though i like Snyder I can see Jenkins getting a better performance out of Gadot.

Or Ledger as the Joker, since although he's certainly not the lead he's by far the best thing in TDK imo. Neither he nor Keaton were seen as bad actors though, just the wrong fit.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I remember the Keaton thing, but here's a big difference; Michael Keaton is by many Leagues (pun intended) a better actor than Momoa.

He was just thought of as a comedic actor at the time though. Plus see my other example of Dave Bautista as Drax.

Or Ledger as the Joker, since although he's certainly not the lead he's by far the best thing in TDK imo. Neither he nor Keaton were seen as bad actors though, just the wrong fit.

Yeah would agree with that. But Gadot and Momoa have more experience of acting in movies than Hemsworth and probably Huddleston did, and those 2 knocked it out of the park on their first go and have just gotten more and more comfortable in their roles since. I remember there being BIG question marks over Hemsworth in particular when he was cast.

 

[JOE]

Momoa is pretty a pretty arrogant guy for the worst actor in the DCeU. Of course he hates Rotten Tomatoes, he's never been in a fresh movie.

 

[MadVillainy]

Momoa is pretty a pretty arrogant guy for the worst actor in the DCeU. Of course he hates Rotten Tomatoes, he's never been in a fresh movie.

Momoa is a funny dude though. Love what we got of Batista as Drax but I thought Momoa wouldve been great too