BvS Batman v Superman - Reviews Thread [TAG SPOILERS] - Part 1

[Mr.T]

Ok, finally home from taking the family to see it. The biggest surprise for me is how much the critics have ripped it to shreds. Was it the best superhero movie? Not by a long shot. Was it as bad as most Adam Sandler movies? No way.

The aesthetics were done very well. I will admit, I agree that the movie was literally too dark at times. Superman's suit looked black through 90% of the film. The middle portion of the movie left a LOT to be desired. The thing I absolutely hated the most was Eisenberg's Lex Luthor. Not just the character portrayal but his story within the movie really brought the film down. WW did not feel shoe horned in but she definitely didn't do a whole lot, either. I'm feeling a rating 5.5/10 here....

 

[jmc]

Snyder about Jimmy Olsen... I'm DONE.

Wait, that was Jimmy Olsen? Respect for the source material is all I've ever heard from Synder defenders.

 

[samsnee]

Snyder about Jimmy Olsen... I'm DONE.

Wow. So when Snyder doesn't know what to do with a character, he straight up murders them. Explains the Superman ending.

 

[jonathancrane]

It's called subverting audience expectations.

 

[The Joker]

It's called something beginning with s alright.

 

[samsnee]

It's called subverting audience expectations.

You're right. People were expecting a good movie and so they decided to subvert expectations.

 

[Doctor Jones]

The party in my vacuum-mind is pretty rad though. You should join in sometime.

I'm pretty game for any level of enjoyment after seeing this movie, imaginary or not.

 

[Poni_Boy]

It's called something beginning with s alright.

QFT

When you make a follow up to MOS that makes people who hated MOS think it's not so bad anymore, you screwed the pooch.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Wait, that was Jimmy Olsen? Respect for the source material is all I've ever heard from Synder defenders.

He's a comic book connoisseur. A graphic novel aficionado. An absolute authority on the Sunday funny papers!

 

[hafizbat]

QFT

When you make a follow up to MOS that makes people who hated MOS think it's not so bad anymore, you screwed the pooch.

Hey man, you have a good idea of the inside goings on right?

Please tell me Snyder is a goner after this movie.

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

I'd give it a 4/10.

The biggest sin is just how completely boring it is. This movie is the definition of sound and fury signifying nothing.

Jeremy Irons was the only thing I really liked.

 

[jmc]

He's a comic book connoisseur. A graphic novel aficionado. An absolute authority on the Sunday funny papers!

I don't pretend to be as big a Superman fan as I am a Batman fan, but that might be one of the most insulting things I've seen done to a character with such a long history in superhero mythology.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Hey man, you have a good idea of the inside goings on right?

Please tell me Snyder is a goner after this movie.

No idea. **** is hitting the fan though. Check out the super super super positive BO articles in the trades that just went up. WB is in damage control mode

 

[Poni_Boy]

I don't pretend to be as big a Superman fan as I am a Batman fan, but that might be one of the most insulting things I've seen done to a character with such a long history in superhero mythology.

He has the tact and sensibility of a frat boy on a weekend Coors Light bender. And not from some Ivy League frat. Some a ****** place like Appalachian State College.

 

[NosfeRomas]

There is undeniable bias from critics and fanboys. And yes i do think the Marvel formula is responsible. This film is not formulaic at all and i loved that but it obviously put a lot of people off the film. It suffers from bad editing and you can clearly see an amazing film hidden underneath the mediocrity of the editing. Shoot that guy, pronto.

The writing was good, risks were taken and the story was intelligent. Not The Dark Knight lvl of intelligence but good halfway through. It lifted elements from A LOT of different sources. From classic Batman and Superman comics, to Watchmen and even Silence of the Lambs, Ancient GreekTragedies and Shakespear. The script was heavily based on theater tropes of trickster characters coming in an out of the film to move the plot forward (Scoot's character) it used the Deus Ex Machina in the form of Lois and it felt organic doing it, at least to me.

The cast was great with Ben Affleck doing a fantastic job and being the standout performance. Wonder Woman was also very well realised and i think Gal Gadot has a bright future in front of her. Superman was the least well done because it wasn't his movie. I want a Man of Steel 2 to do him properly and with a different director.

Batman's change of code didn't bother me that much because it sets up an interesting prequel which i'm dying to see.

Eisenberg's Luthor was fine, i wasn't crazy with his performance but i didn't hate him.

The movie is a solid 7-7.5/10 the hate is uncalled for. I don't blame the MCU but i do blame their formula and the low attention span of modern audiences. Far from perfect but still a good film.

 

[JtheDreamer]

The movie is a solid 7-7.5/10 the hate is uncalled for. I don't blame the MCU but i do blame their formula and the low attention span of modern audiences. Far from perfect but still a good film.

Low attention span? You talk like Marvel is the equivalent of Transformers.

Man, the Snyderbots and their pretentiousness is getting out of hand.

 

[NosfeRomas]

I am not a Snyderbot nor pretentious i just appreciate different things in movies. And yes, MCU makes simpler films, nothing wrong with that. They follow a specific formula and it works for them. Transformers is pure garbage, i didn't say the MCU films aren't good.

Saying i am pretentious because i don't want cookie cutter plots spoon fed to me ? Then yes i am. I also notice things as cinematography and code in films. DC has plenty in their movies.

The scene with Superman in the antarctic talking with Pa Kent who is positioned on the left side of the frame facing the right side and then cutting to the exact same shot of Clarke, basically making them equarls with similar responsibilities but Clarke's towards Martha, Lois and the whole world got me hard. It's not pretentiousness, it's called reading a movie beyond the one liners.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Low attention span? You talk like Marvel is the equivalent of Transformers.

Man, the Snyderbots and their pretentiousness is getting out of hand.

I don't think they're defending Snyder outright. They're defending their unbridled love for this movie. Unless they really forgot Snyder is the guy who wrote and directed Sucker Punch, easily one of the most idiotic, creepily perverse genre movies ever put on film. Surely they can't think he's a genius. I mean, even the studio he works for knows he's not.

 

[Tony Stark]

There is undeniable bias from critics and fanboys. And yes i do think the Marvel formula is responsible. This film is not formulaic at all and i loved that but it obviously put a lot of people off the film. It suffers from bad editing and you can clearly see an amazing film hidden underneath the mediocrity of the editing. Shoot that guy, pronto.

The writing was good, risks were taken and the story was intelligent. Not The Dark Knight lvl of intelligence but good halfway through. It lifted elements from A LOT of different sources. From classic Batman and Superman comics, to Watchmen and even Silence of the Lambs, Ancient GreekTragedies and Shakespear. The script was heavily based on theater tropes of trickster characters coming in an out of the film to move the plot forward (Scoot's character) it used the Deus Ex Machina in the form of Lois and it felt organic doing it, at least to me.

The cast was great with Ben Affleck doing a fantastic job and being the standout performance. Wonder Woman was also very well realised and i think Gal Gadot has a bright future in front of her. Superman was the least well done because it wasn't his movie. I want a Man of Steel 2 to do him properly and with a different director.

Batman's change of code didn't bother me that much because it sets up an interesting prequel which i'm dying to see.

Eisenberg's Luthor was fine, i wasn't crazy with his performance but i didn't hate him.

The movie is a solid 7-7.5/10 the hate is uncalled for. I don't blame the MCU but i do blame their formula and the low attention span of modern audiences. Far from perfect but still a good film.

or a hell of a lot of people thought the movie was disappointing and a jumbled mess.

 

[rnewbz]

Here's my review of the movie: http://www.audienceseverywhere.net/...ustice-peak-comic-book-movie-experimentation/

 

[antoineflemming]

or a hell of a lot of people thought the movie was disappointing and a jumbled mess.

Some of the audience? Yeah. But the critics went into it expecting an MCU tone, hence why they're complaining about it being too serious, not about it having poor editing and storytelling.

 

[Nvmyprixgt]

or a hell of a lot of people thought the movie was disappointing and a jumbled mess.

You guys can say whatever you want and aren't necessarily wrong, but there is no denying marvel follows a simple formula. Antman was the most cookie cutter by the book superhero movie of modern times.

 

[Mach2Infinity]

You're pretty Naive if you think a multi billion dollar company is going to give more money to a director who can't tell a cohesive story to save his life.

As a Superman fan you should be screaming at the top of your lungs to get someone competent to come in and direct these films.

He's right. You're s**t out of luck son if you think WB is going to ditch Snyder or strangle the production budget. If anything they'll throw money at it to make sure no expense is spared. My feeling is that they'll probably keep a tighter rain on the production, maybe keeping more frequent tabs on dailies and just ensure the editing is as clean as it can be. I wouldn't be surprised if they'll use test audiences more to gauge things. We'll be taking a break from a Snyder helmed film for SS and WM which will steady the ship until the mothership lands when JL's released. Expect things to carry on as planned (with a few changes here and there).

 

[JtheDreamer]

Some of the audience? Yeah. But the critics went into it expecting an MCU tone, hence why they're complaining about it being too serious, not about it having poor editing and storytelling.

They did? These are the same critics who saw MoS. They weren't going in thinking anything of Marvel. They already knew Snyder's tone/voice for the DCCU.

 

[NosfeRomas]

or a hell of a lot of people thought the movie was disappointing and a jumbled mess.

Sure, when you have constructive criticism for a movie i can try and defend it but one would ultimately have a point against it. I don't think the film is perfect, i think it is deeply flawed at a technical level, in this case the editing and secondary the casting choice of Jesse Eisenberg. But i find the film's merits to outweight the negatives. I strongly believe there is a bias against it.

At the screening i attended they were people cheering during the Civil War trailer and nitpicking the f out of BvS since the very few minutes of the film. This is not constructive criticism, it's hate. I guess they don't like change.