BvS Batman v Superman - Reviews Thread [TAG SPOILERS] - Part 1

[seriesofdreams]

For starters almost everything involving Lois' investigative reporting could have been nixed. The dream sequence with Bruce getting [BLACKOUT]bitten by a bat[/BLACKOUT] was also needless.

In the end one could say her "reporting" was useless to the overall plot. It didn't change anything that was already going to happen.

 

[JtheDreamer]

In the end one could say her "reporting" was useless to the overall plot. It didn't change anything that was already going to happen.

Exactly.

 

[DeadPresident]

This is certainly one of the most bizzare superhero films I've ever seen.

I walked out with that feeling. A lot of things I loved, a few things I've never seen or felt, but an overall experience that left me a confused.

I'm seeing it a second time today, I'll see if I still feel all over the place when I come out.

 

[DeadStroke]

Not going full review. But I loved the movie. Even better the 2nd time.

 

[antoineflemming]

Not going full review. But I loved the movie. Even better the 2nd time.

I also enjoyed it the second time.

 

[Kane52630]

Saw 10 Cloverfield Lane again instead.

 

[Verick808]

For starters almost everything involving Lois' investigative reporting could have been nixed. The dream sequence with Bruce getting [BLACKOUT]bitten by a bat[/BLACKOUT] was also needless.

I won't argue with any of that. All of it felt like filler. I understand trying to give Lois something to do but it got in the way of more important plotlines.

 

[DeadPresident]

IMO a lot of the storyline chaff could've been cut if the auxiliary villain was different. They had a fantastic opportunity to use McNairy's character as Metallo and Lex could've tried to frame Superman by having Metallo commit acts of terrorism somewhat like in one of the Superman/Batman animated movies to make it look like it was Superman. Certain versions of Metallo are incredibly powerful and would've needed Batman and Superman to take him out.

They also could've given the whole researching the other meta-humans thing to Bruce instead of Lex, and had him track down Diana at the end of the movie so we didn't have to waste time with any of the Bruce/Diana scenes scattered throughout the first act.

 

[Mace Dolex]

People who liked the film now seem to be bashing on the critics that gave their negative reviews, but even the many YouTube bloggers many of which are also pop culture comic fans are giving it average reviews too.

Sure the box office this weekend broke records but that was to be expected for such a highly anticipated movie now the real test will be how word of mouth will keep it going.

 

[DeadPresident]

People who liked the film now seem to be bashing on the critics that gave their negative reviews, but even the many YouTube bloggers many of which are also pop culture comic fans are giving it average reviews too.

Sure the box office this weekend broke records but that was to be expected for such a highly anticipated movie now the real test will be how word of mouth will keep it going.

BvS is a case study in confirmation bias. Everyone is seeing what they want to see, the defenders see only positive social media reactions - the detractors see only the negative side.

If you look at the trending tag on Twitter I count one to one each of the overwhelmingly positive and negative reactions. This film is polarizing and pretty much split down the middle among the audience, while a lot of Hype users seem to have enjoyed it immensely. Some places have more negativity, some more positivity.

 

[Oscorp]

I usually hate Zack Snyder's directing - he's most often style over substance. Batman v Superman, while no exception, is however an enjoyable movie to my surprise.

That's not to say it's a great movie. As many others have said before me: it suffers from plenty of flaws. There are times when you think "Is this really in line with this and that character?" and it doesn't feel right all the time. Certain things in this movie make me feel conflicted. On one hand, I feel like Snyder and Warner Bros have painted themselves in a corner. On the other hand however, this movie left me excited for the future of the DCEU. It has the potential to take exciting and creative paths in order to answer some of the questions that this movie leaves you with. It certainly has to. It feels like Warner Bros and DC will have to push themselves hard. I feel like the outcome certainly won't be a copy of the MCU. Let's hope the execution won't disappoint.

Speaking of the future of the DCEU, this movie shares one problem with Iron Man 2 and Age of Ultron. Many times Batman v Superman try to use too many ingredients in one cake, looking too much ahead instead of looking at the now. It feels like Snyder and Warner Bros are in a rush with introducing the DCEU, which makes the execution of it in this particular movie feel stressed and not thought out, also causing some harm to the story that is here and now.

This movie also shows Snyder's over reliance on flashbacks and dream sequences. We saw it in Man of Steel and we see it to the same extent here, except in some cases weirder. Not worse though. I actually enjoyed the dream sequences plenty, but at times they feel either out of place or like cheap exposition. Some of them leave more questions than answers, which definitely is intentional.

Contrary to many others from what it seems, I actually enjoyed this movie. I know that I said that I usually hate Snyder's style over substance directing, but I have to admit that I was constantly impressed by how great this movie looks. This stylised look fits the DCEU like a glove and makes it stand out from the MCU. The action looks amazing. I do have one complaint regarding the action. Like in Man of Steel, the finale is too over the top for my taste. I know, we're talking about gods among men fighting. But the smaller scale action scenes were definitely more enjoyable to me. The grand finale was too much. Other than that, the action was phenomenal.

I also didn't feel like pacing was as bad as many others do. The editing is a little off, admittedly, but I didn't have any problem following the story or most of the characters' motivations.

It's not a very smart movie. It takes some liberties with the characters that I wouldn't take. It loses its mind at the end with some very rushed ideas and decisions. But overall, I enjoyed the ride. Perhaps I'm not as harsh on this film as I would be on Marvel films since I'm more of a Marvel fan than a DC fan. Batman is my second favourite super hero though, and I've grown to like Superman a lot as well. I hate Man of Steel, so I guess this movie did something differently and right to me.

7/10.

 

[HELLilac]

People who liked the film now seem to be bashing on the critics that gave their negative reviews, but even the many YouTube bloggers many of which are also pop culture comic fans are giving it average reviews too.

Sure the box office this weekend broke records but that was to be expected for such a highly anticipated movie now the real test will be how word of mouth will keep it going.

But majority of those bloggers gave the movie 'average scores' which was fair. This movie should at least be given 50-60% RT instead of 29. 29%RT isn't average, it's in crappy territory and this film is better than that.

 

[Oscorp]

But majority of those bloggers gave the movie 'average scores' which was fair. This movie should at least be given 50-60% RT instead of 29. 29%RT isn't average, it's in crappy territory and this film is better than that.

What some people fail to see is that this is a subjective topic. 71% of the critics so far don't like the movie, and that's fine. They're not wrong because this is what they feel about this movie. You can't say it's not fair in an objective sense.

 

[Verick808]

What some people fail to see is that this is a subjective topic. 71% of the critics so far don't like the movie, and that's fine. They're not wrong because this is what they feel about this movie. You can't say it's not fair in an objective sense.

I'd say the way people use RT incorrectly leads to unfair evaluations of films.

 

[HELLilac]

I'd say the way people use RT incorrectly leads to unfair evaluations of films.

That's true. There're a lot of people who looked at the percentage on RT and mistaken it for an actual score.

 

[Oscorp]

That's true. There're a lot of people who looked at the percentage on RT and mistaken it for an actual score.

This is exactly what you did in your post

 

[DeadPresident]

But majority of those bloggers gave the movie 'average scores' which was fair. This movie should at least be given 50-60% RT instead of 29. 29%RT isn't average, it's in crappy territory and this film is better than that.

That's true. There're a lot of people who looked at the percentage on RT and mistaken it for an actual score.

This is exactly what you did in your post

He's right, you know.

 

[Oscorp]

He's right, you know.

He's not "right", you know. The film doesn't "deserve" whatever score he thinks it should have. It's as if his opinion is more valid than others'. It's not.

If 71% of the reviewers don't like the film, they don't. You can't say they should like it, it's up to them.

He might not agree with them. That's fine. That's another thing than saying the film deserves however.

 

[DeadPresident]

He's not "right", you know. The film doesn't "deserve" whatever score he thinks it should have. It's as if his opinion is more valid than others'. It's not.

If 71% of the reviewers don't like the film, they don't. You can't say they should like it, it's up to them.

He might not agree with them. That's fine. That's another thing than saying the film deserves however.

I was referring to you with my reply, but I didn't make that very clear

 

[Oscorp]

I was referring to you with my reply, but I didn't make that very clear

Ah, I see! Sorry if I sounded harsh then! :P

 

[HELLilac]

This is exactly what you did in your post

I didn't make my point clear enough then. I meant most youtube bloggers gave the film 6-7 which fans could accept but when the same fans looked at RT they would see 29 and took it that critics scored the film 29 out of 100 which was very low. That's why the critics got bashed even though most of them probably gave the film the same average score as the bloggers.

 

[chaseter]

This movie was like watching a really slow trainwreck. You only stay because of your morbid curiosity. There was one joke in that entire movie...ONE! Nothing was there to cut the tension made out of dread and melancholy. The actual Bat vs Supes fight was so lame. All of that buildup for not much. Bats could have killed him with a gunshot to the head like all the other henchmen he wanted removed from existence. What he was going to take him to jail? lol. Lex was annoying, Lois was pointless. The reveal of other meta humans was the dumbest reveal I've seen in my life.

Wonder Woman was cool though. Batman could have been amazing but fell flat. That's it.

 

[lukebrodyg]

This movie was like watching a really slow trainwreck. You only stay because of your morbid curiosity. There was one joke in that entire movie...ONE! Nothing was there to cut the tension made out of dread and melancholy. The actual Bat vs Supes fight was so lame. All of that buildup for not much. Bats could have killed him with a gunshot to the head like all the other henchmen he wanted removed from existence. What he was going to take him to jail? lol. Lex was annoying, Lois was pointless. The reveal of other meta humans was the dumbest reveal I've seen in my life.

Wonder Woman was cool though. Batman could have been amazing but fell flat. That's it.

Actually:

- Alfred testing the voice modulator
- Alfred joking about the wine
- Alfred joking about Bruce finding a woman
- Lex "step into my office" line
- Martha's response to Batman being a friend of her son (the cape comment)

There's more lines that were intended to be funny but may not have landed with everyone. Point is, there was more than one attempt at humor.

 

[daddydivine]

I hate to say it. God knows I hate to say it... I really don't want to say it. But this movie DID get better the second time. I can't see why this movie was scored so low. It drags so hard in the beginning but after seeing it the second time it didn't feel so bad.

I'm honestly the most obnoxious Marvelite here. I mean half of you won't even see this post because i'm on your ignore list. But I like this movie. Hate MOS. But I can get jiggy with BvS.

Well done DC. You are now Pepsi to my Coke.

 

[Zur-en-Arrh]

yeah, alfred alone brought enough levity to the movie. same with perry. and afflecks 'oh crap' moment was well received in my theater. i thought the capes line was kinda forced in, but it also got a chuckle.

and i love alfred teasing bruce about the voice modulator, that was a great little meta moment.