Loved it. 9/10. Judging by days of responses like the ones above, my expectations were tempered and I am quite pleased I walked out of this thing happy as a lark. I was in tune with the entire flick and the story really engaged me from beginning to end. I loved Man of Steel, but some parts left me with headaches and ill feelings. I couldn't follow some parts without wanting to vomit. BvS viewed smoother and more detailed to me. I really enjoyed it and so did my wife (which was HUGE and surprising) and my group.
Agreed 100%. I wasn't sure what I was walking into but I really enjoyed it. I felt connected to all of the characters because I've grown up with the characters. The movie didn't need to reconnect me with Bruce/Batman. I've watched/read him in countless other media.
This movie was amazing. The story was great. I was in it the whole time. The movie felt short and I can't wait to see the Ultimate Cut.
I don't understand the complaints about Lois. Everything that happened with her made perfect sense to me.
I also didn't see why people didn't like Jesse's Lex portrayal. He was vastly better than Hackman and Spacey to me. I still like the Smallville Lex best.
I can't wait to see what Snyder does with the Justice League!
Two can play this game. I guessed you'd go into it knowing you'd like it. Have I been proven right?
If you have I think you'll agree that it's an undeniably problematic movie from start to finish. Snyder took everything he's ever been criticized for and cranked it up to 11 with disastrous results. I didn't go into it with my arms crossed ready to be disappointed, unlike what you're accusing people of.
No, you're not right. I was very disappointed about many aspects and i didn't go in expecting to like or hate the movie. I went in just wanting to have a good time. You know, i don't have an agenda, so i generally don't buy tickets to see stuff that i think i'm not going to like. Movies are made to entertain people and i generally watch them with an open mind, not looking to hate them.
Richard Roeper gave a great thumbnail reaction review and also rates the movie. He really liked it and (get this)... HE EVEN PRAISED SNYDER!!! Vids 2:35...
I'm not a huge fan of Marvel flicks but you won't find me spending hours in the Marvel section trying to convince people that what they like is not good and that they are delusional for not accepting what critics say.
The irony is that I saw the movie two weeks ago. And I haven't changed my stance on it aside from lowering my rating by .5 stars after a second viewing.
Two can play this game. I guessed you'd go into it knowing you'd like it. Have I been proven right?
If you have I think you'll agree that it's an undeniably problematic movie from start to finish. Snyder took everything he's ever been criticized for and cranked it up to 11 with disastrous results. I didn't go into it with my arms crossed ready to be disappointed, unlike what you're accusing people of.
IMO te reactions to this are the same as the reactions to MOS just turned up to a louder volume. And just like MOS I foresee a lot of revisionist reviews coming out a year from now. Name of the game with this industry
This raises the question of what he'd say in response to the audience and fans that didn't like it. Not a particularly clever deflection on his part, but I get it, he has a product to sell. Still, I can't shake the feeling that if that is the best thing he can say about it, then he probably doesn't have much confidence in the movie himself. Much of the ASM cast have voiced their dissatisfaction with those films since the Marvel deal, so it's a possibility.
Of course you don't, because you only agree with those who agree with you
Show me. Prove it. I saw absolutely nothing remotely close to that over the past two weeks I've been posting here.
No you'll just do it on DC threads instead where you can get support for starting flame wars
The irony is that I saw the movie two weeks ago. And I haven't changed my stance on it aside from lowering my rating by .5 stars after a second viewing.
Pointless arguing unless you have a match to light that strawman of his
Believe me, you've been spending way too much time talking crap about the movie and you seem to have a problem with people presenting different opinions. I even saw you calling people delusional. We get it. We all got it. How many times do you need to repeat yourself? It's not like you're gonna change anybody's mind. You saw X and Y flaws in it. A lot of people didn't. You're not smarter or more important than those who loved it. You're just you. Just another person. Let people enjoy themselves. Stop fighting everybody who says anything nice about the movie. I don't see the benefit of spreading negativity. Yeah, i can say i didn't like this movie or that movie. But it's not like i spend hours and hours calling out people who love them. You should learn something from me. Life would feel better. Spend less time hating.
Affleck didn't say that at all, he just said he agreed with Cavill. But whatever, keep piling on, it's entertaining at the very least.
Poni would tell you Kobra that if we try to spread positivity, he's just doing what we're doing on the negative side. But yeah, Poni just can't seem to let it go for one second. The film already had a lot of ill will directed towards it ever since it was announced, it's not surprising it's doubled down with the reactions.
There's a good movie somewhere in that mess of a movie...
Since I thoroughly disliked the movie, I'll mention the good:
Ben Affleck was pretty good as Batman..except for the cheesy lines and murderous... okay let me try again.
Wonder Woman is decent even though she didn't really get much to do... sorry, one more time...
...I got nothing. The movie was a mess of really dumb decisions that were "needed" to get to the ridiculous marquee fight. There were good themes that were presented, but then screamed over by more dumb stuff.
The central conceit of this movie is that both Superman and Batman are murderous morons with bad communication issues who think their type of vigilantism is the "better kind". If you can get past that you'll probably enjoy it.
I don't have a problem with a sophisticated, serious super hero film, but this film felt like someone wrote a great script but was forced to cram "The Dark Knight Returns" and "Death of Superman" aspects into the movie on top of throwing in a Justice League set up.
Oh yeah, the guy playing Lex Luthor clearly was misdirected into thinking he was playing the Riddler. Overall, it made me sad, because the 10 year old in me has been looking forward to seeing a Batman/Superman movie for decades, but what I got was a contrived cash grab by DC/WB.
This raises the question of what he'd say in response to the audience and fans that didn't like it. Not a particularly clever deflection on his part, but I get it, he has a product to sell. Still, I can't shake the feeling that if that is the best thing he can say about it, then he probably doesn't have much confidence in the movie himself. Much of the ASM cast have voiced their dissatisfaction with those films since the Marvel deal, so it's a possibility.
Sally Field just absolutely trashed playing Aunt May in the ASM movies. And I clearly remember her praising the character, story and production thoroughly during the press rounds for both movies. I even still have the audio from ASM2. They're actors. They're good at acting.
My review of Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice...
Thoughts before...
I have to admit this place got to me yesterday, I'd gone from been really excited to well to put it bluntly 'worried'. It wasn't the critical response it was the responses of a few posters on here who didn't love the movie. Along with that the arguments have already started and I just don't want to go through all that again. My mates been texting me (he's seeing it tomorrow) asking how excited I am but all I could reply was I felt 'weird' about it.
However, even the positive me has had doubts over the course of the three years getting to this movie. I had been worried about Superman mostly, he looked to be taking a backseat to the Batman. Fortunately the closer we are and the spoilers (that I wish I hadn't read) totally took away that fear. But I just wanted to convey that I have had up and down feelings about this film from the comic con announcement of the film. Even with all the cool trailers etc though one thought has always remained that I am not expecting to enjoy this more than my favourite modern CBM 'Man of Steel' which may have more to do with my love of superhero origin films/stories than anything about the actual movie.
Now onto my thoughts of Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice..
The film
As I sat there in the cinema as the film started immediately something felt strange (I was thinking maybe the 3D was a factor which btw was pointless). The tone of the film was different than any of the differing trailers and I actually think that may have been down to the score. More on that later...
What's strangest to me is as I walked out of the cinema I couldn't stop smiling yet I felt weird. I think that's probably because I loved the content of the film but it didn't quite gel together like it should have. This was mainly a problem in the opening hour, where scenes seemed to merely jump to the next without flowing it was like parts were missing and I hope that is fixed in the ultimate cut.
Speaking of the ultimate cut I cannot wait to see more of the Superman/Batman fight, it was too short here and really didn't feel all that important to me. I also think they failed with the motivation for the two fight go . The trailers/TV spots mad out like there was a real animosity between the two but Batman is only motivated through fear and Superman the trailers made out wasn't happy with the Batman's brand of justice and wanted to bring him in. He wasn't happy with it but that wasn't his motivation to fight and I thought that was a bit of a mistake.
The Trinity vs Doomsday (who I thought looked awesome) was a great sight to behold.
Some random spoiler thoughts:
(K)Nightmare sequences:
- the first one mad me jump out of my skin when the Parademon burst through Martha's grave. The Parademons looked awesome.
- I liked the post apocalyptic scene but the ceography was off when Batman fought the Superman soldiers
- I didn't like the Flash bit tbh but I liked some of what he said. His mask looked pants though.
Justice Leaguer cameos/the three icons that Wonder Woman clicked (I loved this sequence)
- The flash cameo was probably weakest of the three
- Zack must love Smallville actors (the CIA guy at the start Michael Cassidy was also on Smallville as Grant Gabriel) cause Steven Hamilton from Smallville Seasons 1-2 was Silas Stone. Me and my mate geeked out at the MotherBox.
- The Aquaman cameo was the best of the three, I wss geeking out like mad. Cannot wait for more Mamoa Aquaman
Dark Knight Returns references
- we've always been criminals Alfred, was awesome to hear
- Zombiefied Superman was my favourite moment of the film.
Batman
- he is a complete dick in the film at times yet I loved it.
- he really had little regard for the criminals he chased down but I took it as this Batman is at war.
- He was a major dick in the Superman fight though and that I didn't like so much.
Superman
- the greatest moments of the film were Superman's, seeing him saving people via a montage and his arc of the film we just wonderful
The Score
The score was the biggest let down of the film for me, when it reused themes from Man of Steel or the Batman theme it worked superbly. Although I did like the Wonder Woman theme when it hit in her costumed appearance (any time before that was jarring). Lex's theme was awful, it was way to loud and overbearing which is actually a problem I had with a lot of the score.
Key Cast
Henry Cavill as Clark Kent/Superman - he was fantastic yet again, I felt he was the soul of the movie. I can't wait for the next part of his arc in JL.
Ben Affleck as Bruce Wayne/Batman - superb performance, Affleck is this generations Batman. Can't wait to see more of him.
Jesse Eisenberg as Lex Luthor - I was looking so forward to him as Lex but in the end I just didn't like what he did. I think it's fine to reinvent characters but you still have to maintain something and for me this wasn't Lex Luthor. Good performance though.
Gal Gadot as Wonder Woman - I liked her, she was solid but I don't get the raves about her. She barely is in the film.
Amy Adams as Lois Lane - wonderful again, I thought she was the heart of the movie. People saying she was wasted weren't watching the same film as I.
Jeremy Irons as Alfred - For me he was THE standout of the film, he's just superb. He provided some great moments of humour and gave a wonderful performance.
Diane Lane as Martha Kent - she didn't have much to do except look sad really but she was fine.
Laurence Fishburne as Perry White - I was not expecting Perry to have the screen time he did. He was excellent, one of his lines [BLACKOUT]Water is wet[/BLACKOUT] in response to Clark wanting to write an article on the Batman made me laugh out very loud in the cinema.
Sally Field just absolutely trashed playing Aunt May in the ASM movies. And I clearly remember her praising the character, story and production thoroughly during the press rounds for both movies. I even still have the audio from ASM2. They're actors. They're good at acting.
Not sure why affleck signed on with such reservations. Money talks I guess.
Ill actually lose some respect for him if he stays on for more.snyder directed movies. I thought he cared more.about critical reception now than just making bank.
Snyder's mate and his movie stills photographer Clay Enos: "The critics always lag behind the avant guard. Today, it's so obvious that the front line of filmmaking is being led by Zack Snyder. Charge!" t:t:t:t:
Ungrateful fans. Just pathetic. This movie was and is awesome. You say no action for the first hour. Bull. The opening 20 min is action. The batman action and his car chase. Some say that there is no fun because it's really dark. BS. Batman has always been a very dark and brutal character and this Superman is a real world Superman. Not the boy scout and we'll as Zac put it boring character. I love superman but he is usually too goody and needs to be made more interesting which is what Zac has done. Yeah I know I'll cop it for that. So what.
This Batman kicks !@#$ing ass. I'm a Batman fan first and foremost and glad that Affleck nailed it. If a new Batman was going up against gods and aliens then this Batman had to be way darker and more violent than before. Love it. That Batmobile chase was amazing. Loved the guns on the car.
Doomsday was great. Never was upset about his design and I never in my mind thought they would do what he is known for which I'm glad they did.
Never understood fans complaining about using big events from the comics too soon. Sorry but we have been waiting years for this and there are endless storyline to use.
Been laughing at the pissed off upset fans on the net and YouTube because I think they clearly missed alot. Too ungrateful.
A veritable hot mess. What surprised me wasn't the pacing, editing or direction -- you know you get those issues to varying degrees with Snyder -- but the writing and quality of the script. Half-baked or muddled character motivations, meandering arcs which barely paid off, wafer-thin plotting. Displaying little of the academy award-winning talents of Terrio and a production three years in the making.
The plot, the setup, the entire angle of the versus was a huge contrivance from end to end. Batman wants Superman gone because of the reason he gave in the trailers -- and the movie doesn't delve deeper into that. Superman thinks Batman is a menace because he tramples on civil liberties -- again, not going further with it. Luthor sets the fight of the century up because he wants Superman dead/subjugated/humiliated/lowered? Why does he want Batman involved? Because it's an opportunity to remove a competitor in Bruce Wayne from the picture? And the fight is promptly resolved because mother?
Affleck as Batman and Bruce was great. I think this is the consensus here and should be the one for the general audience too. Batman as portrayed in the movie, however, was far less so. His fixation on ridding the world of Superman seems just that, a fixation. There's no investigative work to ascertain whether Superman isn't a potential danger as thought, to make out his threat level. He flat out declares war on him. He operates on an instinctual level almost -- he's all brawn and all emotion. Why would the Justice League have any need of him other than the sway of his status and finances? Spycraft? Wondy showed she could do it better with the vanishing act and evasiveness. The league is better off getting Alfred on board and getting rid of the middleman. (And what's up with his branding fetish.)
Cavil is a pretty charismatic dude in real life. Too bad we don't see any of that in his Superman and Clark. Alternating mostly between being morose, peeved, he mopes his way through the movie. Why does his want to be Superman again? Only because of Lois? There are hints in the movie that an Injustice storyline could be at play down the road. God (certainly not Superman) helps all us if Lois perishes. And reporter Clark doesn't listen to his editor-in-chief, is absent without reason for swathes of time -- doesn't come across as a good employee. At least Lois delivers quality copy.
What depth and complexity Eisenberg and Snyder said of Luthor turned out to be Lex being a bit insane with a side of daddy issues. He was twitchy throughout -- his twitch becoming acute when he pulls back the cover and reveals partially his true self. In the end he opened Pandora's Box for the same reasons he created Doomsday. Just because.
Gadot as Wondy was serviceable. Wasn't much of her character to dig into; she was present more as a function to introduce her movie and the other leaguers. She was plenty cool though, and my saving grace of the movie.
Snyder's mate and his movie stills photographer Clay Enos: "The critics always lag behind the avant guard. Today, it's so obvious that the front line of filmmaking is being led by Zack Snyder. Charge!" t:t:t:t:
Good god. They really do believe this. From the guy who said this about Sucker Punch
"The goal of the film is to tell an artistic story that is not bound by reality or anything like that, and if it happens to be at the end that girls feel like hey, I feel like Im free to be strong in my life, then I dont know."
"But to me its a more dishonest movie because the irony is so important to me; someone asked me, why did you dress the girls like that? And I said, I didnt dress them that way, you did."
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