BvS Batman v Superman - Reviews Thread [TAG SPOILERS] - Part 1

[Kane52630]

 

[Marvel Knight]

RedLetterMedia Review

HAHA!


Batman V Superman better get a Plinket Review.


This film is the modern day Phantom Menace.

 

[Boom]

 

[JtheDreamer]

Hahahahahahaha. That's what I figured.

 

[Goshdarn Batman]

How did Batman survive the explosions?

 

[The Guard]

Doomsdays power radiated up and out. It got stronger as it got further away and built in intensity. Where Batman was, it was more like gale winds. That's what the building Lightning was about.

 

[Mjölnir]

t:

 

[LostSon88]

Yes. Because it has nothing to do with why I was going to execute him to begin with. Anecdotal kinship does not cancel out motivation.

Batman has killed before. He's ok with it. So it shouldn't bother him at all. That is the reasoning that makes sense in accordance to the facts of the story.

We're clearly going through circles and I'm kind of done with repeating my points.

The whole discussion on your end seems to come down to this very black and white transparency. I'm of the mind that by mentioning the name of his mother it created a grey area that Bruce never once contemplated because he was so fixated and obsessed with completing his mission.

You could argue why he doesn't do that with the other people he killed and well my arguement to that is the simple fact that those were clearly criminals with bad intentions. As dangerous as Superman was, Bruce never considered him a "evil" person. Dangerous, yes. But evil? Probably not.

Hence why I don't think Bruce's actions from then on wearnt out of the ordinary at all. For the first time he saw the humanity on this god-like being and it brought him back to reality. Does it change what he did? No. But it changes the way Bruce decides to react to the situation.

 

[NoLaNitE007]

Doomsdays power radiated up and out. It got stronger as it got further away and built in intensity. Where Batman was, it was more like gale winds. That's what the building Lightning was about.

It's Easter and I don't have time to write in depth review but after seeing it again a 2nd time last night in IMAX 2D with a fun crowd.
GA friends and brother.

I still liked it and rest of the 6 people I saw it with all liked or loved it and they were all regular general audience folks except for one. Two said they thought it was a bit long...than again we went to the late 10:40 IMAX 2D showing.

It's paced fine for a 2 and half hour movie. It's a tough balancing act with a film at that length. Want to keep audience engaged and not drag things out. However he could have about 15 mins worth of necessary. Good performances and the story was still engaging and interesting. Maybe Snyder and Terrio should have added more jokey stuff in the beginning of anything?

The incoherent story/script complaints are still mind boggling to me. The rest of the 5 I saw it with had no complaints about it.

The teases to Darkseid are great and the action and fight scenes also. Batman is a beast and WW was great. The battle with Doomsday was epic. Wished we would have seen more of protruding bones structure though.

The ending was emotional and good. Sad of course, but good and unexpected. Nothing wrong with the way the Snyder teases the rest of the JL IMO. Those complaints are way over blown. It was less than a 5 minute scene and didn't hurt the flow of story at all.

However, I personally didn't like the way the Cyborg tease was executed out of the 4 JL members shown.

Loved the pivotal scene with Flash introducing himself to Bruce. Makes you think more about what is to potentially come with JL film.

Still don't get the incoherent story complaints. Utter non sense.

I write more when I have time.

 

[Goshdarn Batman]

Doomsdays power radiated up and out. It got stronger as it got further away and built in intensity. Where Batman was, it was more like gale winds. That's what the building Lightning was about.

Okayt:

I wish he did more in the Doomsday fight.

 

[Mach2Infinity]

Stupid statement...because it's about a father trying to protect his family from what might happen if Clark were to reveal himself in that moment.

This is not an illogical decision by a parent in that moment.

It's quite telling that he probably isn't a parent and doesn't really understand the concept of being responsible for someone other than themselves. Whilst we can argue whether Jonathan and Martha Kent are the ones we 'know' from the comics and the Reeve films. They're looking out for their only son in a world that will mistrust and fear him. If they had done such a bad job then why did he spend so much of his adult life saving people?

 

[NoLaNitE007]

Okayt:

I wish he did more in the Doomsday fight.

How could he?

He wasn't ready for a creature like that.

 

[NoLaNitE007]

This must be my most anticipated movie EVER but all the bad critical and audience receptions made me so nervous and sceptical. I felt like visiting a dentist for a root canal!

Luckily the worst never came.

Let's start with the bad. Everything after Lois & Clark bathtub scene up until the Senate scene was bad. Like, embarrassingly BAD. Scenes just got patched up together with no main plot nor storyline to give us a sense that they'd lead to somewhere. It's joyless, confusing and tedious. The dream sequences were so out of place and unnecessary and ruin the flow of the already convolute storylines. It'd bad storytelling. I felt so bad for everyone in my theatre because I bet they must be as bored and as frustrated as I was.

From the Senate scene to the fight was hits and misses. Pa Kent scene could be cut out. Supes saving Lois was ridiculous. Supes's reason to fight Batman was lazy and poorly done. Some bad CGIs that looked embarrassing for a movie this scale.

I also hate the fight result and how it ended.

Now to the good. First 20 mins was great. the pacing of the second half movie was so spot on. Few movies could give me this "edge of my seat" experience for this long stretch. I felt like I was holding my breath for an hour. It's so intense.

The casts were all good to great. I didn't mind this version of Lex at all. I thought it'd rather refreshing. WW was stunning. Batfleck was badass and his acting was superb.

Superman arc was the highlight for me. I really felt for him, like, for real.

8/10

I like the way the fight ended. Due to mothers having the same first name.

It woke Bruce the hell up from his rage before doing something he would regret. Brought him back down.

 

[Goshdarn Batman]

How could he?

He wasn't ready for a creature like that.

He could have ripped off his shirt and cape and fought it with his bare hands.

 

[JtheDreamer]

Seeing this in about 3 hours. My review a-cometh!

 

[NoLaNitE007]

He could have ripped off his shirt and cape and fought it with his bare hands.

Hahat:

 

[MrsKent26]

Wow. You guys are really not noticing how you're piecing together plot holes with your comics stick glue? Nothing in the movie correlates to the association that Superman having a mother means he's no longer a threat. Nothing. You can be ok with that, it doesn't have to bother you, but acting like there's cohesion in that lapse of logic is futile. It's a total non sequitur. It does not follow formal logic.

This has nothing to do with comic stick glue. I don't even remember this type of thing happening in a comic and if it did, I didn't read it.

This is how things went:

I explained that what happens doesn't cancel out batman's motivations, but it make it harder for him to carry out his plan. Superman played on his emotions for his own mother:

Superman seeming more human changes nothing about batman's reason for wanting to kill him. What it does change is his ability to follow through on those desires. I would imagine it's infinitely harder to spear a fellow human to death than it is to spear what batman thinks is a destructive demi-God to death.

Then, you said this (a valid point):

Which would make COMPLETE sense if Batman WASN'T already a killer. Which he is. Which makes that a mute point.

Then, I explained why the superman situation was different than the ones featuring batman and those thugs:

He probably didn't view those others he killed as human, either. I remember him talking to Alfred or somebody and saying stuff like "Criminals are criminals. They're all the same." "Criminals are like weeds. You pull one up and another one grows in its place." Or something to that effect. He's got them labelled: Criminals. Bad guys that are expendable. He had superman labelled too: Destructive alien that must be eliminated. Those other guys just didn't get the chance to use the Martha thing to change batman's view of them. Superman was both clever and lucky with that.

Then, we seemed to go in circles:

And, again, what about having a mother named Martha stops Superman from being a destructive alien that must be eliminated?

Wasn't that already discussed? It's about perception. Having a mother doesn't change what superman is at all. It changes batman's perception and makes superman appear more human because he's got a mother (like all humans do) that happens to have the exact same name as Bruce's. It gives Bruce a common ground with this alien and therefore makes him seem less alien, even though nothing has changed about superman being a threat. Why wouldn't he find superman less of an "other" when he learned they have a mom with the same name?

At any rate, it's perfectly fine that we saw that scene differently. I think I made my point very clearly and it has nothing to do with comic googles. The scene worked for me and this is why.

 

[schereZada]

BATMAN v SUPERMAN

Something is getting worse and more frequent in Hollywood movies like this one: mixed bags. I'd like to say this movie is good, but its problems are serious. I'd like to say it's just bad, but its good parts are extremely good. I'd need to divide the movie in three parts and assess them individually.

ACT I: Magnificent. It was what I thought was one of the very best superhero movies I'd ever seen. I was so happy feeling a real serious movie about these characters could be possible like this. Motivations and problems for both the main characters were solid.

ACT II: Okay, too much going on but cool. What's with [BLACKOUT]that desert sequence and the "guy with the red mask"? Made no sense (I don't want to think he's the Flash, even when I know it, because of that moustache and because it had nothing to do with the story, the tone or anything in the movie).[/BLACKOUT] Ok, never mind, the rest is still good.

ACT III: Could anyone please, even Michael Bay, put any more [BLACKOUT]noisy numbing action with any more explosions and violence and things that appear out of nowhere? [/BLACKOUT]It's like you didn't go over the top but over the universe at this point. [BLACKOUT]Let's just throw Doomsday there, then let's make him bigger and have him flying and throwing rays 3 minutes later. Let's have Superman dying, then resurrecting, then dying again! Then resurrecting again![/BLACKOUT] If once is cool, twice must be twice as cool, right?

What worked.
Affleck is the best Batman since Keaton. Affleck possessed both Batman and Bruce Wayne and did spectacular. His feelings felt genuine and his energy flowed naturally (one thing I never felt in Bale, for example, that always felt to me he was trying too hard). I hope his personal bat-movie gets made. But please, Ben, shave! This character is Bruce Wayne and when he goes to a fancy party he shaves. Shaving once a week is your thing, Affleck, both in and out of the movies, but that is you, not your character.

Cavill is a great Superman, and I'm glad he had to fight constantly to show people who he really was. It felt absolutely real in such a cynical world where good can be twisted and presented as evil to the public if you have the money. It's not that he hated being Superman, but being the good guy in this world costs a whole lot and he battled his way.

What didn't work.
Everything Justice League. There was simply not room for it and it didn't match anything else in the movie or the plot. Those scenes were totally shoehorned there. Even Wonder Woman appeared just to [BLACKOUT]show off a little, but had nothing valuable to contribute to the story, which at that point was pretty much defined without her. Even her theme was garbage: didn't match the soundtrack or the tone of the movie at all and didn't make sense for the character (an ancient amazon trying to make sense out of this world? Let's use electric guitars to make her feel a cool character).[/BLACKOUT]

As I said before, the final confrontation was just CGI and violence porn. At some points it was laughable how much bigger they wanted to make things for the sake if it.




The movie should have been Batman vs Superman, period. Their motivations to fight each other were very well developed (I loved they used [BLACKOUT]Man of Steel's final battle as the starting point and didn't just shrug it off as these movies usually do. *coughavengerscough*[/BLACKOUT]), and Luthor pulling the strings in the middle of it was good (although I didn't like Eisenberg's Lex much, how difficult is to portray Luthor well?). But when they started introducing new elements randomly then the movie started to collapse.

One thing I appreciate for sure, even with all the problems, is that they care about the characters and take them seriously for once. Those reviews accusing the movie being "humorless" made me laugh. Since when is humor a must in these movies? Specially considering most humor in superhero movies is frankly poor and gratuitous. But all in all I couldn't blame anyone who disliked the movie as if the last part of a film is bad, it makes the whole thing look bad.

3/5

 

[akfj]

Just watched it. The best aspects about this movie were the visuals, Affleck's performance, and the attempt to show a superhero's impact on the real world. I don't think this is as bad as a lot of critics are suggesting, but I can see how it could have been better. There's a lot of good in this movie, but it is just so exhausting and sluggish. It takes so long for it to get to the main story, and then when it does it takes so long for it to come to an end. I don't think the solution for this is an extended cut. Instead, this movie would have been better served if it was told as a tighter, more concise story without all of the distractions from the main story ([BLACKOUT]such as the dreams/visions, the Justice League stuff[/BLACKOUT]).

I also don't think this is the type of movie to springboard an extended universe from. For one thing, this is not really a movie for young children, nor even really a movie for mass consumption. I don't think it's as depressing as it has been made out to be, but it is rather joyless. It almost plays out more like it wants to be an art film than a movie for general audiences. If that's the case, it would have been better if it was a one-off, like the abandoned Wolfgang Peterson Batman vs. Superman movie, not a movie that's asking audiences to come along for a journey through multiple films.

All-in-all, I'll give this a 6/10. I think it was worth seeing in a movie theater, but I'll wait until it's released on DVD to see it again.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

Hey Mods; can we keep the poll open at least until the opening weekend is over? Not everyone's schedules allow to be there opening day....


Anyway; 9/10 for me. Pretty much loved every minute of this. My only gripes are the dream sequences, which i hate in whatever movie I'm seeing, lol...it just takes me out of the moment. I thought the opening one with the Wayne's was really all that was needed. The other two or three that they did really didn't serve the movie's pacing, in my opinion. That, and the fact that a certain bit of knowledge is now known by Lex Luthor (which may hurt the dynamic for future Superman stories) prevent me from going a full 10/10...

Incidententally; there were two moments that got huge rounds of applause from the packed house i was in; Wonder Woman's intro of course, and to my surprise...Aquaman. Proof positive that these two comicbook Icons are LONG overdue for their respective movies....

All in all, me and my family had a blast watching this. Great job, Zack Snyder.

 

[gerrym51]

it's a movie. If every hero's plan worked perfectly it'd be a 15 minute movie-lol

 

[X-Maniac]

For me, it's only a 6/10, I guess i could be pushed to a 7.

But it was disappointing in many ways.

And before someone thinks i'm just an X-Men junkie (typical retort from the ********* on here) I'm a big fan of Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman, I read loads of the comics in my younger days.

For me, it went from 'nothing much' to 'too much.' The lengthy build-up was too slow, bordering on tedious. It was disjointed, it skipped around several locations. Then, when the action came, it was so full-on with that Doomsday thing and the energy bursts and explosions that it was a turn-off.

I just wish I could love it more. I didn't like the Batman dream/nightmare sequences, they seemed largely pointless. I didn't like Doomsday. I was not a huge fan of the Joker-esque Lex Luthor. I didn't like how Gotham City was just across the bay from Metropolis. And, on a trivial level, I didn't like Shhhenator Finch and her ill-fitting teeth (yeshhh, I know that's mean, but it'shhh true.)

I thought Wonder Woman deserved a better introduction rather than just being there.

I like Cavill's Superman, Affleck's Batman and Gadot's Wonder Woman (though she is a bit on the thin side, and they kept putting her in dresses that showed how thin she is!).

I like how WW was photographed in 1916 (or whenever it was) and had disappeared from the world for 100 years. I didn't need to see Batman's origins all over again. I'm not sure I like how Batman was more of an urban myth ('the Gotham Bat'), despite his age and what must have been a long history catching criminals. I didn't mind the teasing of

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Flash and Aquaman

. I'm not sure I liked the

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lengthy, over-laboured mourning of the death of Superman, when clearly he will not stay dead, as the moving soil indicated

.

To me it felt poorly paced and structured. I could have done without Doomsday, or at least without him looking like some generic monster

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somehow created from Lex + Zod

. Didn't make much sense.

But I'm glad it's done well at the box office in spite of the awful Rotten Tomatoes score. Clearly the concept was attractive, regardless of critics.

 

[The Joker]

Post of the day lol

 

[onDgrind]

The movie was nothing special, dont have much to say about it. 5/10

 

[Drifting]

This film is haunting. It's a horror film masquerading as a comic book film and it brings you to a place that most people feel is uncomfortable. The nuances in Ben Affleck's performance as Bruce Wayne captivated me. I loved the fog on the lake around his home as he wakes up and finishes off last night's wine. It captured the solitude he lives in perfectly. The scene introducing The Batman was perfect - more horror film vibe here as well. The editing was fine. People are thrown off because of a lack of "establishing shots" which give you a second or two to hit the reset button. I loved everything about Batman, from the weight of age to the moral code that's long been abandoned. I'll write a proper review sometimes this week. I loved it.