Super_Ludacris said:
If you watch they talked about making the cowl as flexible as possible during the film. As you've mentioned in your quote Nolan said if could they make it more flexible Prior to filming
The adjustment was already made during filming beyond just day 3 as you posted
Set report #3, not day 3:
Principal photography on
Batman Begins commenced in March 2004 and ended in September of the same year; the set reports were made on or about September 17th, 2004 (though they were not posted publicly until January 2005) placing those events after or very near the end of principal photography. Therefore, Murchs reference to Nolans request for an even more flexible cowl occurred
after the film wrapped not prior to as you suggest, clearly indicating that the adjustment was intended as a post-Begins consideration (i.e., for the sequel) and not one to be made to the existing cowl during filming.
Super_Ludacris said:
So again Scot this leads to my original point which was they did make the cowl that way, we just didnt see it because......well there wasnt really any scene where he had to
. [In] the DVD why did they make the point that the cowl was made to make his head turn,this was told during filming?, as they mentioned for the specfic reason that when he turned to look at someone he did not have to move his whole body like previous Bat-suits just his neck (fully functioning neck right?)
However (and Luhjo this is for you)
If the scene your talking about where he looks rigid when turning, do you mean in the tumbler with Rachel? Cause dont forget he was essientally strapped into the seat.
Why you would choose the Rachel/Tumbler scene as a defense for your position is
, well Im not sure what it is because it utterly undermines your argument:
1. If ever there was a specific reason for Batman to simply turn his head (i.e. to look at someone sitting next to him in the passenger seat of a moving vehicle traveling at high speed in heavy traffic) then this scene with Rachel is the prime example of a scene that you suggest does not exist.
2. It is obvious in this scene that in order for Batman to look at Rachel that a less-than-natural shoulder turn is required, indicating a certain lack of flexibility in the cowl.
3. Batman is strapped in at the shoulders, which logically would restrict the upper torso to a certain degree, whereas the neck would remain unrestricted, making an isolated motion of the latter more likely. Even so, the fact that Batman
is able to turn his shoulders while strapped in argues not for rigidity but freedom of movement. In other words: If the straps were so restrictive as to give a rigid appearance then an isolated neck turn would be more probable not less.
4. That Batman is strapped into the seat does not preclude him from turning his head in a natural manner assuming the costume allowed him the ability to do so, because a.) Rachel was similarly strapped in and she could turn her head naturally without twisting her torso, and b.) neither Wayne nor Fox were required to make the shoulder turn when talking to each other during the Tumbler test drive.
The only reason Batman turned his shoulders to face Rachel rather than simply turning his head in her direction was because the costume did not allow the actor to make such a natural head movement.
Super_Ludacris said:
I mean I would thought it could be seen, because also dont forget unlike previous batsuits the cowl is actually seperate from the cape so it's designed so he can move without carrying the weight of the cape (made of 2 seperate materials)
Matter of fact you can see it. Last summer in June 2005 I was in London visiting the big Hamley's Store on Regent's Street and they had a big Batman Begins exhibition and the suit was on display in a black case. The cape looked as if was made from a black almost velour like material whereas the mask was the prosthetic rubber. BUT it looked as though it had a thinner layer of rubber compared to older masks (B89 best example) and was completley eliviated from the rest of the body suit so he could move free.
No one disputes the fact that the Begins cowl was more supple and allowed for more movement than previous versions in prior Batman films, but it does not follow from having achieved a better cowl that the Begins cowl is the best cowl that could or can be made, nor does it preclude the probability of the original being improved upon in subsequent films... which is exactly the point those you argue against have made
and what Nolan has requested
and what, I suspect, Day Murch is currently working on (now that he has had the time to find it).
BTW: The cowl was in fact attached to the body-suit by two small rings that were hidden underneath the cape claps.
