The Dark Knight Batsuit Discussion Thread

[Sandouras]

No need to be offensive about Burton. Burton's films were just as valid as Nolan's are now. Except Burton's old hat and Nolan is the new guy and everyone loves the newest.

I agree that the line "it's not what I do that defines me" is a great line. Yes, very well scripted. I wish it could've been acted better by both parties, or under better circumstances, but it wasn't. That's what pulls me away from it. So, taking that as one factor, I'm going to say that the Bruce / Selina relationship in Returns and even the Bruce / Vicki relationship in Batman completely dominate Begins' relationship.

Another thing you have to realize is that Nolan and Burton are like apples and oranges. I enjoy both movies. I remember the Burton movies from my childhood and when I saw Begins, I was instantly hooked on Batman again, so it made sense to go back and revisit the films from my childhood. But now I'm in college, so I can notice a lot more about them, and have a better appreciation for those films as a work of fantasy and not just as a single Batman Story or some brainchild of a really dark noir-esque Director.

I was just talking about those specific lines....and maybe whining about people not passing such a strong judgement on burton. I too didnt feel that Bruce-Rachel was as important as the vicki/selina ones. But they were never really together. They were more like friends. We didnt see bruce in pain about making a relationship.

 

[namtaB]

I really hate when people worship the Burton movies, and bash Nolan's, or vice versa. I love both. I think both directors represented Batman well, and I really can't bash either.

Each series has a different style and feeling, which is a good thing.

U mad?

 

[namtaB]

They were flawed like everything man will ever make. You cant please everyone. So people bash out at what they dont like and hope for improvements.

All in all, i think that people expect those movies to be too serious with realistic (and frankly boring) everyday dialogue. We have to remember that we are talking about movies here and many dramatic effects are used for various purposes. Bruce's "still havent given up on me" helps bond parts of the film together, but i think that it comes rather naturally as well. It only shows how water-eyed bruce is that alfred hasnt given up on him and instead go and butler a more sane person.

Other lines like "i gotta get me one of those" may sound a bit off. But they are there for a reason. To lighten up the atmosphere for a bit, to help the audience relax a bit and maybe even crack a smile. After you leave the theatre you wont be remembering those lines, you will remember the general plot and things that amazed you about the movie. Those lines wont be remembered but they would have served their purpose of setting a lighter tone for 5 seconds so you can relax a bit, before the next scene.
Hasnt anyone of you studied ancient Greek theatre? They used those techniques (not nice coat, but specific milder scenes to relax before the next dramatic one) even then!

Clearly if you come out of the theatre whining about nice coat and not thinking about the freaking batmobile or the awesome cape scenes, then you re an idiot.
And if you nitpick about it now, then its because you havent got a girlfriend. Most people say "awesome movie" and move on. They dont spoil it by watching it on DVD in x0.5 speed and then going through all the dialogue 3 times.

The problem is you're focusing on the things in life that don't really matter. When I was a kid I had hopes and dreams. We all did. But over time, the daily grind gets in the way and you miss the things that really matter, even though they are right in front of you, staring you in the face. I think the next time you should ask yourself "Am I on the right track here?". I don't mean to be rude but people like you I really pity. So maybe you could use the few brain cells you have and take advantage of the knowledge I have given you now. Good luck.

 

[Sandouras]

The problem is you're focusing on the things in life that don't really matter. When I was a kid I had hopes and dreams. We all did. But over time, the daily grind gets in the way and you miss the things that really matter, even though they are right in front of you, staring you in the face. I think the next time you should ask yourself "Am I on the right track here?". I don't mean to be rude but people like you I really pity. So maybe you could use the few brain cells you have and take advantage of the knowledge I have given you now. Good luck.

You re here on Hype with me, arent you? You re nitpicking along with me arent you?

You can hardly give me advice about important things in life (which is obviously subjective). You must have fewer brain cells.

 

[Crook]

I saw that BR scene. Wow i had forgotten all about it. I thought it all happened right before bruce tore the cowl.
Anyway, it was the same concept and i think its even more forced cause it supposedly happened by chance! Come on.....

What exactly do you call Batman being in the same exact area of the Narrows that his childhood best friend is at? No less, as he's there, has to save her from thugs and having a quick chance to tell her who he is?

Compare that to Bruce and Selina meeting up at a costume ball, in their civilian identities. They've had a previous "relationship" that went outside their costumes, and there was an obvious attraction there. So them dancing at a party, isn't exactly a stretch.

Lastly, there was a repeating of lines. Difference is, not only was the execution by the actors superior in BR, but the circumstance didn't overtly come off as "superhero must tell something important to the damsel before he goes off in the night!"

 

[Grinning-smile]

I can't remember if it was just rumour or not, but i'm sure i remember reading somewhere a while ago that the new batsuit was supposed to have white eyes, like the comics, anyone confirm this yet? Or was it just rumour? Either way it's just got me thinking about it.

 

[Reflectionist]

What exactly do you call Batman being in the same exact area of the Narrows that his childhood best friend is at? No less, as he's there, has to save her from thugs and having a quick chance to tell her who he is?

Detective work, to be honest. Bruce was right there when Racheal got the phone call. She knew Crane had moved Falcone to Arkham like the rest of the goons and she reacted in an obvious way. She even said "I'll be there in a few minutes" or something like that, I believe. Bruce was watching her the entire time of the phone call. He knew she was going to be in danger because he knew Crane was involved with the fear toxin and that he's dangerous. So as soon as she left, he pushed the arrowhead gift to alfred and went down and got into the suit and left for the Narrows.

EDIT - actually, it's not really detective work. It was more like, really obvious more than anything. Hey, Racheal's gotta go deal with a man i know is dangerous, but I can't tell her because I can't tell her i'm Batman. So I think I'll just go follow her candy ass and see what happens.

 

[Crook]

Detective work, to be honest. Bruce was right there when Racheal got the phone call. She knew Crane had moved Falcone to Arkham like the rest of the goons and she reacted in an obvious way. She even said "I'll be there in a few minutes" or something like that, I believe. Bruce was watching her the entire time of the phone call. He knew she was going to be in danger because he knew Crane was involved with the fear toxin and that he's dangerous. So as soon as she left, he pushed the arrowhead gift to alfred and went down and got into the suit and left for the Narrows.

1) It's clearly not detective work if her location is already given to him on a silver platter, is it?

2) I'm aware that he knows she's in the Narrows, I stated that in my first post. My point was he just happened to find her alone surrounded by villains in the nick of time.

And did ya'll see how relatively big the Narrows were? It's basically a small island. When the entire area is going crazy with people running about in chaos, it IS a stretch for him to find her.

 

[SheldonLevene]

I can't remember if it was just rumour or not, but i'm sure i remember reading somewhere a while ago that the new batsuit was supposed to have white eyes, like the comics, anyone confirm this yet? Or was it just rumour? Either way it's just got me thinking about it.

I can answer that, and thank you for the question because it has something to do with the topic of this thread. I do not think that this has been confirmed. As of right now it is a rumor with a reasonable chance of being true. At least for a brief instance in the film.

 

[Sandouras]

What exactly do you call Batman being in the same exact area of the Narrows that his childhood best friend is at? No less, as he's there, has to save her from thugs and having a quick chance to tell her who he is?

Compare that to Bruce and Selina meeting up at a costume ball, in their civilian identities. They've had a previous "relationship" that went outside their costumes, and there was an obvious attraction there. So them dancing at a party, isn't exactly a stretch.

Lastly, there was a repeating of lines. Difference is, not only was the execution by the actors superior in BR, but the circumstance didn't overtly come off as "superhero must tell something important to the damsel before he goes off in the night!"

Wasnt thinking. Indeed its supposed to be by chance in BB as well. Though nolan had rachel go to the narrows to give gordon the antidote. I know, its quite lame. But then maybe he knew she was still there, maybe gordon told him, whatever he seached and found her. This isnt the first time that batman or any other hero arrives at the right place at the right time.

 

[Crook]

Wasnt thinking. Indeed its supposed to be by chance in BB as well. Though nolan had rachel go to the narrows to give gordon the antidote. I know, its quite lame. But then maybe he knew she was still there, maybe gordon told him, whatever he seached and found her. This isnt the first time that batman or any other hero arrives at the right place at the right time.

It's not a problem. Personally, I didn't really have too much of an issue with it. Just stood out to me, because between those 2 scenes, one clearly came off a lot more hackneyed than the other.

 

[Reflectionist]

1) It's clearly not detective work if her location is already given to him on a silver platter, is it?

2) I'm aware that he knows she's in the Narrows, I stated that in my first post. My point was he just happened to find her alone surrounded by villains in the nick of time.

And did ya'll see how relatively big the Narrows were? It's basically a small island. When the entire area is going crazy with people running about in chaos, it IS a stretch for him to find her.

Are we talking about the part where she's taken by the fear gas or the part where she goes to inoculate Gordon?

Because if we're talking about the former, then he knew exactly where she was going, and who she was going to be with. She said she was going to Arkham to fight off Crane's putting Flacone in Arkham. Otherwise, you're right, it's a complete stretch. Except it's not like Rachel Dawes, D.A. of Gotham City or Lt. James Gordon of the GCPD can just disappear. The narrows are too small for people like them to disappear.

What pissed me off about that scene was Bruce's line, "Be careful, Rachel. It's in the narrows." And it comes off like an elementary school geography lesson. The way he says it so condescendingly, and adds the little nod of his head.

But then she gives him a reply that's like "Yeah. I know, *****ebag."

 

[Sandouras]

It's not a problem. Personally, I didn't really have too much of an issue with it. Just stood out to me, because between those 2 scenes, one clearly came off a lot more hackneyed than the other.

actually i was more pissed at how badly nolan showed batman rescuing her. A black blurr falling, the thug shouting in pain, a black blurr going up. I know its hard to portray batman pulling up a woman and a kid, but.....meh, it was quite bad.

Are we talking about the part where she's taken by the fear gas or the part where she goes to inoculate Gordon?

Because if we're talking about the former, then he knew exactly where she was going, and who she was going to be with. She said she was going to Arkham to fight off Crane's putting Flacone in Arkham. Otherwise, you're right, it's a complete stretch. Except it's not like Rachel Dawes, D.A. of Gotham City or Lt. James Gordon of the GCPD can just disappear. The narrows are too small for people like them to disappear.

What pissed me off about that scene was Bruce's line, "Be careful, Rachel. It's in the narrows." And it comes off like an elementary school geography lesson. The way he says it so condescendingly, and adds the little nod of his head.
But then she gives him a reply that's like "Yeah. I know, *****ebag."

We are talking about the second. The scene with the "who i am underneath, but what i doooooooooo that defines me" line.

 

[Crook]

Are we talking about the part where she's taken by the fear gas or the part where she goes to inoculate Gordon?

Because if we're talking about the former, then he knew exactly where she was going, and who she was going to be with. She said she was going to Arkham to fight off Crane's putting Flacone in Arkham. Otherwise, you're right, it's a complete stretch. Except it's not like Rachel Dawes, D.A. of Gotham City or Lt. James Gordon of the GCPD can just disappear. The narrows are too small for people like them to disappear.

What pissed me off about that scene was Bruce's line, "Be careful, Rachel. It's in the narrows." And it comes off like an elementary school geography lesson. The way he says it so condescendingly, and adds the little nod of his head.

But then she gives him a reply that's like "Yeah. I know, *****ebag."

Just took a look at the film again. I mixed up the 2 scenes. My apologies.

But, I was referring to the part where she goes to inoculate Gordon. And since there was no phone call or hint at where she'd exactly be, I think it serves my point even further.

actually i was more pissed at how badly nolan showed batman rescuing her. A black blurr falling, the thug shouting in pain, a black blurr going up. I know its hard to portray batman pulling up a woman and a kid, but.....meh, it was quite bad.

Eh, well by then that was kinda how Batman was being shown throughout the entire film. So I was used to it.

But yes, it was pretty uninspired.

 

[Reflectionist]

Okay, well, if you take into account as soon as rachel woke up she went to innoculate Gordon.... it makes sense. It's in the morning when she wakes up, Grabs the vials and leaves to find Gordon. That night, something big is going down, and every cop's heading into the Narrows. Gordon's going to be there, Rachel's going to be there. Batman knows for a fact that Gordon won't be hard to find, and if Rachel is there, she'll be looking for Gordon or be with him.

It's like the first season of Heroes. Save the cheerleader, save the world. Find Gordon; find Rachel. And besides, it's Batman, he's not exactly sneaking around, you know.

(I'm just playing devil's advocate here, just so you guys know... i tend to do that.)

 

[Sandouras]

I think the fact that Rachel found the same kid that batman came across is....mindblowing!!!

Oh please, lets stop this, the whole movie is tearing apart!!!!

 

[Crook]

I think the fact that Rachel found the same kid that batman came across is....mindblowing!!!

Wow, how in the world did I forget that?!

Just thinking about it now---

 

[Reflectionist]

I think the fact that Rachel found the same kid that batman came across is....mindblowing!!!

Oh please, lets stop this, the whole movie is tearing apart!!!!

*stops for a second*
*looks up and to the left*
*looks down in shame*

Sad. How sad. Well, then again, this is the movie that says Batman was trained by secret dope smoking ninjas in the mountains, so I guess it can pass...........

 

[SheldonLevene]

Ok ok how about this one. How about the fact that the only time Bruce and Joker visit Vicky's house in the entire film they happen to bump into each other, and Joker happens to utter his tag line keying Bruce into the fact that he killed his parents and is in fact Jack Napier. Come on guys movies are full of fortunate coincidences.

 

[Reflectionist]

Ok ok how about this one. How about the fact that the only time Bruce and Joker visit Vicky's house in the entire film they happen to bump into each other, and Joker happens to utter his tag line keying Bruce into the fact that he killed his parents and is in fact Jack Napier. Come on guys movies are full of fortunate coincidences.

Cha, but Bat's recognized him at Axis Chem. in the beginning of the movie. Keaton's Bruce was too brooding and thoughtful to be completely in the dark about that.

 

[Crook]

Joker happens to utter his tag line keying Bruce into the fact that he killed his parents and is in fact Jack Napier.

This part wasn't coincidence. Joker's next line explains exactly why he said it to Bruce.

 

[SheldonLevene]

Yeah but the fact that neither Bruce nor Joker goes to Vicky's apartment beforehand is. I realize he always asks that of his prey but everything is built on coincidences.

 

[Sandouras]

Ok ok how about this one. How about the fact that the only time Bruce and Joker visit Vicky's house in the entire film they happen to bump into each other, and Joker happens to utter his tag line keying Bruce into the fact that he killed his parents and is in fact Jack Napier. Come on guys movies are full of fortunate coincidences.

indeed. But if they serve a purpose, i guess its fine. I see no other reason for rachel saving the kid, other than keeping bruce from taking off his mask. For example rachel saving an adult would result in the adult later asking the hot question, asking for ransom, going to the tabloids, etc. The kid was orgasming the whole time!

 

[Sandouras]

This part wasn't coincidence. Joker's next line explains exactly why he said it to Bruce.

why? because he always says that to his victims?

PS: didnt like that line.

 

[SheldonLevene]

Either way I need the rest of my light bright pieces. My name isn't Adam We.