The Dark Knight Batsuit Discussion Thread

[Mr. Socko]

Hell ****ing No

Keep The Costume The Same

Sorry to burst your bubble but it won't be the same. Even if it's just a slight color change in the cape to match it exactly as the kevlar.

 

[Mr. Vice]

Yeah, I heard that before too but why couldn't it work?

Find a manip with the "BEGINS" logo on Batman and you'll know why...

 

[trustyside-kick]

Found this on the Brotherhoodof the Bat board..

Clould be cool new look.

Interesting look. But the current one that was used in Batman Begins is good to stick with. Only thing I would like to see changed as a "new" look for him would be the cowl...the neck and everything.

 

[not_a_victim]

I know that you probably did that rendering of the mask pretty quick. So I don't mean to be a jerk and try to outstage it or whatever. But in my opinion, if they were going to make Batman with lenses, they would be shaped to Batman's eyes from the comics (just like Spiderman's were shaped to resemble his comics). They would be slits, to make him more intimidating. Sort of like this:

**IN NO WAY IS THIS COOL BY ANY MEANS.lol. I did it really quickly, just to get an idea of what they would look like, shaped like Batman eyes. lol. It looks pretty bad lol.**

--dk7

Now this is what I am talking about. I love the shape of the "eyes" here. And in all actuality, it could easily be accomplished by having Bats but on a sort of visor under the cowl. the visor would hold the white lenses. I could even be like a cloth visor tied in the back, or on a string like swimmers' goggles.
Awesome

 

[SINISTER SMILE]

i think with the lenses it makes him look alot less recognizable as bruce wayne which is the whole purpose of the mask in the first place...so the lenses have my vote..and it can be explained in a realistic fashion..chris nolan didnt refresh the franchise with a team of idiots, these ppl know what there doing..so yea ALL FOR LENSES PLEASE WARNER BROTHERS

 

[lujho]

I think the Aronosfky designs were a bit more amatuerish than these.

They were less refined, but that just means there's more effort put in to these. The resemblance in the cowl (especially the brow and lenses) is quite uncanny.

I brought up my theory that these were real concept art from Begins on the thread on the BOTB forum where these first appeared. The guy who posted them didn't deny it, all he said was that there was more to come. The fact that he had access to some amazing quiality Batman photos that only someone connected to the production would have and the fact that he's keeping mum about my theory, leads me to think I'm pretty close to the mark. Christ, the guy may be the artist for all I know - he's a very mysterious poster on the BOTB - all he does that I've seen is post pictures no-one else would have, unless he was "connected" to the production somehow.

If they are real concept designs, I hope we see a lot more of that kind of stuff on the HD-DVD version of Begins, which will hopefully be a much more exhaustive look at the film than the existing 2-disc DVD (which wasn't all that "meaty").

 

[lujho]

EYE.PROTECTION.

This is the only required justification, BUT there's also eye concealment - not a huge issue, but it makes eye colour one less thing witnessess could say about Batman.

Plus there's the psychological aspect - from a distance the eyes would often appear demonic and inhuman - and up close, when he's staring you in the eye, blank, shining slits would be very un-nerving - you could see only yourself.

Honestly, it's not a case of either option (lenses or no lenses) being better than the other, but there is a lot to say in favour of the lenses option - originality being another big thing - it'd be another way the suit significantly different from the previous ones.

I think just adding a thin goggle-like eyemask under the cowl (instead of paint, basically) would be one way to add lenses to the current cowl without modifying it - not-a-victim brought it up, and it has been mentioned before.

Smallish lenses, if close enough to the face, would not hamper vision in any way that mattered - I never heard of Affleck being unable to act* or fight in his DD mask.

* yeah, maybe he can't act, but it had nothing to do with his vision.

 

[Super_Ludacris]

Seriously guys, no lenses. Let it go

 

[lujho]

Seriously guys, no innovation, no creativity...

 

[regwec]

And no opinions, dammit!

 

[Super_Ludacris]

Come on, let's call a spade a spade. This ideas is corny. This is almost as bad as the discussions back in the day on whether Batman should have a Grey and Blue outift (2003)

 

[regwec]

There is nothing wrong with either discussion, other than that you are satisfied with the status-quo.

 

[lujho]

Come on, let's call a spade a spade. This ideas is corny. This is almost as bad as the discussions back in the day on whether Batman should have a Grey and Blue outift (2003)

What a load of utter crap. It's no more corny than the entire concept of the Batsuit itself (which is not alltogether un-corny - it's inherently silly).

Batman is portrayed as having scary piercing white eyes - it started out as just a stylistic choice with no explanation, and later has been explained by lenses - But in any case what's wrong with attempting to find a way to replicate that? What's wrong with wanting to make Batman look more like Batman?

 

[Super_Ludacris]

There's nothing wrong with discussing but it's gonna look stupid. And knowing the flip-flop style of people here, I gaurntee half the dudes here who are pushing for the idea will be like sheep if the general audience goes "what the hell?" at the lenses and say "Oh you know Nolan didnt have to do that". It happens but if you wanna dwell on something that aint gonna happen, do it.

 

[Super_Ludacris]

What a load of utter crap. It's no more corny than the entire concept of the Batsuit itself (which is not alltogether un-corny - it's inherently silly).

Batman is portrayed as having scary piercing white eyes - it started out as just a stylistic choice with no explanation, and later has been explained by lenses - But in any case what's wrong with attempting to find a way to replicate that? What's wrong with wanting to make Batman look more like Batman?

Cause he already looks like Batman lol. I dont get why animators draw masked heroes with no eyes but in there live action adaptations it never happens and explaining it like that sounds so forced. Then wouldnt he need to protect the rest of his face? Not just the eyes? Uh oh then there goes the mouth part.
It aint really a Batman mask then. You draw all the manips of it you want....it aint gonna happen you know that right? lol

 

[Milkman95]

I wouldn't mind lenses, but I'd rather have them black, with him having night-vision with the kind of lenses they are..........

I'd make very minimal upgrades to the suit, but overall, keep it the same.

 

[regwec]

There's nothing wrong with discussing but it's gonna look stupid.

We have already seen that it doesn't look stupid.

 

[darknight7]

LENSES DAMMNIT

hehe

--dk7

 

[lujho]

Cause he already looks like Batman lol.

But he could look MORE like it.

I dont get why animators draw masked heroes with no eyes but in there live action adaptations it never happens and explaining it like that sounds so forced.

Was it forced with Spider-Man? Daredevil?

Then wouldnt he need to protect the rest of his face? Not just the eyes? Uh oh then there goes the mouth part.

Do swimmers wear full-face masks, or just goggles? Do you need your whole face covered to protect your eyes from wind, or being poked in the eye, or spashed? The eyes are a more vital area to protect, which is why in real life, there are many, many examples where the eyes are protected (from wind, water, projectiles, chemicals) and not the rest of the face.

It aint really a Batman mask then. You draw all the manips of it you want....it aint gonna happen you know that right? lol

Probably not. That doesn't mean I can't talk about how I want it to be.

Honestly, the whole lens issue, for me... it's all about this. I want this:

Now what is wrong with wanting something that looks as good as that? Why not try to achieve something so cool? Don't trot out the old "what works in a drawing..." claptrap either. Film is a medium to be visually creative in - especially comic-based films. I'm just glad the people making films like Sin City and 300 don't think like some of you guys. I'm not asking for something cartoony or superstylised... but you CAN emulate/approximate this look in live action, and it saddens me that no-one has the creative spark or guts to try. It's dead boring, especially after 5 films.

 

[darknight7]

In my opinion, there are more reasons to ADD the lenses; than there is to not add them. Because the positives outway the negatives.

1.) As much as peopl say it would look stupid, it wouldn't. These guys are professional and know what they are doing, and would make it cool. (or maybe not because they would have gotten the mask right the first time, hehe jokes)

2.) Protection, ya there is his mouth, but that was Bob Kane's doing (the man is a genius). It is how he started Batman's mask. But Batman DID have lenses in the comics, in the cartoons. THIS IS A COMIC BOOK MOVIE PEOPLE

3.) From far distance, his appearance of having no eyes would be horrific. It would make him even more intimidating.

4.) Up close, even scarier. It will scare the crap out of people even more, looking into these blank eyes, where there is nothing, but cold, and darkness.

5.) Obviously the identity factor. It will conceal his identity better. Make him less recognizable as a human being also.

6.) The night vision could be added, which would give him an up on his oponents even more than he already has.

7.) The fact that it would make it even more original than the Burton films.

It all adds up guys. It is more original, more true to the comics, scarier, safe, and helpful. There are so many positives to the lenses if done correctly. They could work, they would work, they SHOULD WORK!

Lenses... ...Dammnit!

--dk7

 

[darknight7]

But he could look MORE like it.



Was it forced with Spider-Man? Daredevil?



Do swimmers wear full-face masks, or just goggles? Do you need your whole face covered to protect your eyes from wind, or being poked in the eye, or spashed? The eyes are a more vital area to protect, which is why in real life, there are many, many examples where the eyes are protected (from wind, water, projectiles, chemicals) and not the rest of the face.



Probably not. That doesn't mean I can't talk about how I want it to be.

Honestly, the whole lens issue, for me... it's all about this. I want this:


Now what is wrong with wanting something that looks as good as that? Why not try to achieve something so cool? Don't trot out the old "what works in a drawing..." claptrap either. Film is a medium to be visually creative in - especially comic-based films. I'm just glad the people making films like Sin City and 300 don't think like some of you guys. I'm not asking for something cartoony or superstylised... but you CAN emulate/approximate this look in live action, and it saddens me that no-one has the creative spark or guts to try. It's dead boring, especially after 5 films.

VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY well said, and presented. I like your thinking.

--dk7

 

[ragdus]

here's why you don't have huge white lenses:

when fighting in the dark, which batman does A TON of, you can't easily pick out his eyes, thus can't easily go after them. He might as well paint huge bulls-eyes so every jag thug goes straight for them.

You don't do the white lenses for the same reason thousands of critters on this planet have spots that look like eyes... so you don't draw attention to your REAL eyes.

 

[Ronny Shade]

The bottom line is in the animated series and in the comics, Batman's white eyes can be expressive. He shows emotion with them...narrow for anger or determination, wide for surprise, etc. RIGID LENSES CAN'T DO THIS. White contact lenses will either look bad (see Batman: Dead End) or if they are blended in post will make no sense.

 

[Super_Ludacris]

Was it forced with Spider-Man? Daredevil?

The guy whose mask has always covered his entire face and it was never implied he had eyeholes and the guy who's blind?......god your clever with your arguments. lol

Do swimmers wear full-face masks, or just goggles? Do you need your whole face covered to protect your eyes from wind, or being poked in the eye, or spashed? The eyes are a more vital area to protect, which is why in real life, there are many, many examples where the eyes are protected (from wind, water, projectiles, chemicals) and not the rest of the face.

I didnt realise he was swimming in chrlorine for the entire sequel. He wants to protect himself from chemicals, Sheild himself with the cape.Besides the eyeholes are cut so short it would take a really, really accurate small speck of dust to blind him

Probably not. That doesn't mean I can't talk about how I want it to be..

Sure but in retrospect its just not needed. Dont worry even you'll see it would such a forced placement no matter how well the explination is. Your forcing it right now

Honestly, the whole lens issue, for me... it's all about this. I want this:
Now what is wrong with wanting something that looks as good as that? Why not try to achieve something so cool? Don't trot out the old "what works in a drawing..." claptrap either. Film is a medium to be visually creative in - especially comic-based films. I'm just glad the people making films like Sin City and 300 don't think like some of you guys. I'm not asking for something cartoony or superstylised... but you CAN emulate/approximate this look in live action, and it saddens me that no-one has the creative spark or guts to try. It's dead boring, especially after 5 films.

I'm pretty sure after 3 tv series and 5 movies, the idea of giving him the "White out animated look" was considered but the idea that in the comics the cowl is shown to have eyeholes and not lenses it's been scrapped. What's the point it's just random then. Besides trying to make something more animated/comic kinda goes against Nolan's vision of realism. What makes the movies have the sense of connection to the comics is the feel, story and sharp dialouge not forcing it to look more like it's literally from the pages.

 

[Super_Ludacris]

The bottom line is in the animated series and in the comics, Batman's white eyes can be expressive. He shows emotion with them...narrow for anger or determination, wide for surprise, etc. RIGID LENSES CAN'T DO THIS. White contact lenses will either look bad (see Batman: Dead End) or if they are blended in post will make no sense.

That's real. What works in animation doesnt work when trying to express the same thing in live action. Again Bale's eyes like Keatons need to show intensity, something that's hard in animation to do but great in the movies and vice versa with the lenses.