BatScot said:
You have quite the knack of paraphrasing what I say and then completely misstating the meaning.
You have the knack of taking a simple statement and exploding it into a bunch of useless trivia that only sideline the actual point of discussion.
LOL
the chest logo in that scene actually appears lighter compared to the suit, cape, etc., which is the exact opposite of any contrast style that I, or anyone else for that matter, has suggested.
That's true. I never said it didn't. Again, this is because the light reflects off of the gloss-finish bat-logo and not off of the matte-finish suit. As I stated before, for the matte-black to look grey, it needs to be hit with a spotlight, and Batman doesn't stand in the way of spotlights. Not good ninja work.
A better example would have been the Arkham scene in which Batman is shown running through a cell ward as he looks for a way out of the asylum after having rescued Rachel, and where the lighting affects a somewhat darker tone to the chest logo. But even that effect is, as you say, barely noticeable, which, I suppose, is akin to your notion of a subtle effect
or course, that is just another way of saying that the logo looks cool when it appears darker than the suit, which is precisely my point. The problem is that the effect seen in this Arkham scene is far too subtleoccurring in only a few frameswhich renders the effect virtually non-existent to the extent that the effect cannot be considered a basic characteristic in general terms.
That's the point. Like I said, SUBTLE.
Im just following Nolan and Goyers lead; surely you wouldnt fault me for that.
There's a difference. Nolan and Goyer used a bunch of technical excuses to explain things like, why Bruce Wayne would make some of the improbable decisions that he needs to make in order to become Batman, so that it would seem less cartoony and more like a real-life thing, since we're dealing with a live-action film and not a cartoon or comic book.
You, on the other hand, are using a bunch of technical excuses to try and turn something realistic into something cartoony. Which is ridiculous.
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Originally Posted by Keyser Sushi
Bats are generally black with brown fur. Most people think of them as being completely black. Batman wants to look like a giant bat-creature. It makes sense that Bruce would choose black over grey. People don't associate the color grey with bats.
This statement is rank with misinfomation.
Actually, it's not. It's rank with generalizations, but that's not the same thing.
Red or brown are the predominant colors in the most common bat species, but practically all bat species show some grayish tones (e.g., the Mexican Long-tongued Bat, and the Western Pipistrelle), while blackish tones are uncommon. There are also several bat species that are primarily gray (e.g., the California Leaf-nosed Bat), but only a few that are primarily black (e.g., the Silver-Haired Bat)
and even the Silver-Haired Bat is black and gray, hence its name. And as for black being the intimidating choice, well very few predators are black, and for a very good reasonblack masks the size of the predator thereby diminishing it's intimidation factor.
Once again, you completely missed the point. The point was that MOST PEOPLE THINK OF BATS AS BEING ALL BLACK, EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE NOT. That's the TRUTH. Most people are afraid of bats, have never seen one up close, and think they're rodents, when in fact they're not. Most people think bats are blind, which is also untrue. Most people think bats get tangled in your hair. Most people think bats are harmful.
MOST PEOPLE ARE ILL-INFORMED. THAT's my point. People think of Bats as being all-black. Bats have black skin, regardless of what color fur they have, which, as I said, is often brown (like the brown bat I chased through my store the other day, or vampire bats, or the positively GINORMOUS fruit-bats from India and Malaysia) and as you pointed out, sometimes grey, but people usually see them in the dark and usually think of them as being all black.
Black things frighten people. Black is a color that most humans associate with something sinister or frightening; witness the superstition about black cats, black being the color of mourning or death, the color of the grim reaper's robe, the emo kids decked out in black, bikers wearing black leather to appear tough (vs. brown leather which does not carry the same weight).
Black is also the color most often worn by people trying to be covert -- Navy SEALS, the Army's Delta Force, Marine Corps Force Recon, Ninja, SWAT Team units, and burglars. The Viet Cong also chose black as their pajama color of choice in Vietnam.
I'm not saying that other colors don't work just as well - I'm saying that Bruce Wayne would most likely choose to wear black for the purposes he has in mind, because that's the way the human mind works.
And those are the actual facts... but I'm probably just being needlessly technical.
You are. You're not stating anything that isn't true, you're just ignoring common sense because it's convenient to you.
Seeing as Kilmer was the one who wore the clasps first, not Clooney. Beside, I don't know why it a problem for Bat to wear one. It help him remove it if it 'cause in a trap & he need to escape from danger without removing his cowl. 
