The Dark Knight Batsuit Discussion Thread

[Whack Arnolds]

But a huge part of the suit is about the way it looks (i.e. purely aesthetic), and HE's the one who designed it in the first place, so he obviously does care and he obviously had time to worry about it when he made it.

Unfortunately, he has poor design sense - hopefully his taste will have improved by the sequel.

Taste doesn't matter, it's about being intimidating, not suave. And he had 'intimidation' with that suit, in spades.

 

[Sandman138]

Taste doesn't matter, it's about being intimidating, not suave. And he had 'intimidation' with that suit, in spades.

I think it could be more organically intimidating. Sure, the basic silhouette is nice, but all the panneling still bugs me. It's too "look at how high tech I am" rather than geniunly awe inspiring. The cape also looked a bit too incongrous.

 

[ragdus]

Please. For the love of God. The guy is kung fu fighting people in the dark in a black suit. Nobody is standing around in awe of the design details of his suit.

Ever.

They're busy getting their asses handed to them.

 

[Sandman138]

Yeah, that doesn't change the way he should appear to the audience.

 

[ragdus]

And?

 

[Sandman138]

And as an audience member, I felt a little underwhelmed by the suit for the reasons I just stated.

 

[ragdus]

I see, so Bruce needs to take the time to modify a $300,000 suit to intimidate people he has no intentions of beating up or striking fear into?

 

[Sandman138]

I see, so Bruce needs to take the time to modify a $300,000 suit to intimidate people he has no intentions of beating up or striking fear into?

No, the ****ing production team needs to make Batman intimidating to the audience as a means of allowing the subjectivity of the experience to immerse them in that world.

 

[ragdus]

He could be just as intimidating if he wrapped himself more in the cape and stood looming in shadows. Just like in the apartment scene in the Narrows.

Also, where would this suit come from? Wayne Enterprises decides to manufacture a new $300,000 suit that looks more buff after the government already turned down the previous very expensive idea?

Bruce doesn't make anything but his Batarangs on his grinder. He's certainly not up to snuff on the ins and outs of cutting edge military battle suits and suitable modification thereto.

editing: looking to looming.

 

[raybia]

No, the ****ing production team needs to make Batman intimidating to the audience as a means of allowing the subjectivity of the experience to emmerse them in that world.

DING DING! WE HAVE A WINNAH!

 

[ragdus]

I'd rather be immersed in the guy's struggle with being both Batman and Bruce Wayne as well as trying to clean up his town and the forces trying to prevent him from doing so than how much muscle definition the batsuit exhibits.

 

[raybia]

Also, where would this suit come from? Wayne Enterprises decides to manufacture a new $300,000 suit that looks more buff after the government already turned down the previous very expensive idea?

Bruce doesn't make anything but his Batarangs on his grinder. He's certainly not up to snuff on the ins and outs of cutting edge military battle suits and suitable modification thereto.

We can assume that between the 1st and 2nd movies that Bruce has had some time to consider his "War on Crime" and the importance that his equipment plays to not only the success of his mission but also towards his very survival.

As a result, he has considered and made modifications and refinements to anything and everything that he uses, including his suit, the car and the cave.

It doesn't matter if these modifications were his actual handiwork or if he had those with the technical know how to perform the work, nor is it necessary to even address it in the 2nd movie, what's important is that we, the audience, sees that Batman continues to evolve as the Dark Knight that we all know and love from his badass comic book counterpart.

 

[raybia]

I'd rather be immersed in the guy's struggle with being both Batman and Bruce Wayne as well as trying to clean up his town and the forces trying to prevent him from doing so than how much muscle definition the batsuit exhibits.

True, but that doesn't mean he cannot look sharp, cool and badass while doing it. This is a movie after all, not the real thing.

 

[ragdus]

Well in this movie, several things have already been established. Which is sort of my point. The batsuit is a mockup. there aren't hundreds laying around in dozens of varieties for him to choose from. And since he doesn't manufacture them all by himself.....

 

[ragdus]

It doesn't matter if these modifications were his actual handiwork or if he had those with the technical know how to perform the work, nor is it necessary to even address it in the 2nd movie, what's important is that we, the audience, sees that Batman continues to evolve as the Dark Knight that we all know and love from his badass comic book counterpart.

It matters quite a bit actually. What sort of story does a billlionaire need to concoct to a tech nerd to explain how he needs his armored suit, which happens to have a large bat logo emblazoned on the chest, modified for "cave diving"? These are the kinds of questions people ask themselves when they see changes like this. They ask "wait, how'd he get that?"

Bruce doesn't have a cave full of techno geeks that know his secret and make him suits.

This is actually part of my gripe about the Tumbler. How many people would have had to work on a project like that? And once the thing is all over TV in a car chase, the beans will get spilled pretty damn quick. Yeah yeah it's a moive...

 

[raybia]

Well in this movie, several things have already been established. Which is sort of my point. The batsuit is a mockup. there aren't hundreds laying around in dozens of varieties for him to choose from. And since he doesn't manufacture them all by himself.....

It was a mockup.

But now he has had time to do things right.

Logically it makes sense to have at least two or more suits with modifications.

The actual design of the suit by the production team shouldn't be any major alterations but at least should show a more streamline aesthetic looking design.

Bottom line, it should look cool and badass, just like both Neo (Matrix II) and Blade looked.

 

[ragdus]

It was a mockup.

But now he has had time to do things right.

Logically it makes sense to have at least two or more suits with modifications.

The actual design of the suit by the production team shouldn't be any major alterations but at least should show a more streamline aesthetic looking design.

Bottom line, it should look cool and badass, just like both Neo (Matrix II) and Blade looked.

What do you mean do things right? He didn't make the first suit, nor does he have the capacity to.

And if looking cool and badass are what it's all about, and presumeably Nolan didn't initially present a suit he thought was warm and engaging, then what now?

 

[Mr. Socko]

Fox and Wayne can easily have another manufactured.

 

[Sandman138]

Why the **** does everyone need a highly detailed explanation for any minor thing in the damn movie? The first one didn't bog you down with exposition enogh? Do we need to spend a 15 minute tour of the man's car with Morgan Freeman spouting more junk science ad nauseum and then some more philosophical monolouges that end up sounding more like rationalizations than anything else? Some minor changes to his appearence need no explanation, they can just be it's not earth shattering. This is a story, not a report.

 

[Boom]

What do you mean do things right? He didn't make the first suit, nor does he have the capacity to.

And if looking cool and badass are what it's all about, and presumeably Nolan didn't initially present a suit he thought was warm and engaging, then what now?

Lucius Fox = Connections, if you really want to get technical about it.

 

[raybia]

What do you mean do things right? He didn't make the first suit, nor does he have the capacity to.

Are you kidding? He does need to have the capacity, he just needs the financial capability. There are others who he can take his ideas to who have the capacity.

And if looking cool and badass are what it's all about, and presumeably Nolan didn't initially present a suit he thought was warm and engaging, then what now?

Cool and badass is important in terms of audience perception and while the initial suit was this to some degree, he was limited on how much it could be as it was still a mockup (as it should have been since he was eager to begin his war on crime) and now the 2nd movie gives Nolan and Co. the perfect opportunity to up the ante in creating a more streamline suit.

 

[kytrigger]

It matters quite a bit actually. What sort of story does a billlionaire need to concoct to a tech nerd to explain how he needs his armored suit, which happens to have a large bat logo emblazoned on the chest, modified for "cave diving"? These are the kinds of questions people ask themselves when they see changes like this. They ask "wait, how'd he get that?"

Bruce doesn't have a cave full of techno geeks that know his secret and make him suits.

This is actually part of my gripe about the Tumbler. How many people would have had to work on a project like that? And once the thing is all over TV in a car chase, the beans will get spilled pretty damn quick. Yeah yeah it's a moive...

You could easily say the Tumbler was stolen, along with a bunch of other tech from the building. And if you want to get really technical, there would be a very good chance that Wayne Enterprises has other types of suits he could wear. They have major contracts with the U.S. military, and chances are that with such a large contract, you would make more than one type of suit. You have several prototypes that they have the option of buying. This is how you can explain it if it needed to be explained in the movie, not that I want it explained that much...minor adjustments to the suit don't need any explaining IMO.

 

[raybia]

It matters quite a bit actually. What sort of story does a billlionaire need to concoct to a tech nerd to explain how he needs his armored suit, which happens to have a large bat logo emblazoned on the chest, modified for "cave diving"? These are the kinds of questions people ask themselves when they see changes like this. They ask "wait, how'd he get that?"

He put the bat logo on himself, not Lucius. Obviously you don't like Nolan's treatment of how he aquired the suit and equipment but that is just the way it is, like or not.

Bruce doesn't have a cave full of techno geeks that know his secret and make him suits.

No, but he has the financial resources to create buffers between him and his crimefighting persona to get the equipment and modifications that he wants.


This is actually part of my gripe about the Tumbler. How many people would have had to work on a project like that? And once the thing is all over TV in a car chase, the beans will get spilled pretty damn quick. Yeah yeah it's a moive...

You don't like Comic book movies do you? Do you complain like this when you read an actual comic book?

Its called supension of disbelief. If you want to nicpik the whole logic of the entire movie, it would have been "The Bourne Identity" instead of Batman Begins.

 

[raybia]

You could easily say the Tumbler was stolen, along with a bunch of other tech from the building. And if you want to get really technical, there would be a very good chance that Wayne Enterprises has other types of suits he could wear. They have major contracts with the U.S. military, and chances are that with such a large contract, you would make more than one type of suit. You have several prototypes that they have the option of buying. This is how you can explain it if it needed to be explained in the movie, not that I want it explained that much...minor adjustments to the suit don't need any explaining IMO.

Good points.

There is no need for futher explainations. When new equipment shows up in the new movie, the audience will all ready know how Bruce acquires it. (Unless you haven't seen the first movie. Why would someone see the sequel without seeing the 1st one? )

 

[kenellard]

Its called supension of disbelief. If you want to nicpik the whole logic of the entire movie, it would have been "The Bourne Identity" instead of Batman Begins.

I think part of the blame for all this over-examination of things lies with begins itself, or more precisely, everyone's favourite buzz-word; "realism"

who. cares.