The Dark Knight Batsuit Discussion Thread

[ragdus]

Lucius Fox = Connections, if you really want to get technical about it.

That still means next to nothing. Fox can't just make new suits either.

And btw, I don't want detailed explanations. What I want is for the story to be more important than how cool the batsuit looks to some of you guys. We've already got a batsuit, and a good one at that. You'll see from my post somewhere in here that IF they redid the suit I'd like it to look a lot like what is being bounced around here. I'd just rather not see the suit redesigned. He's got a suit, it works. How about cleaning up the streets of the Arkham escapees before playing Gucci with the suit?

 

[Boom]

That still means next to nothing. Fox can't just make new suits either.

Unless there are other suits laying around. We only saw Lucius show Bruce ONE prototype. There could be more. Were we ever told that the one Fox showed him was the ONLY prototype they had? What if Bruce chose an inferior prototype, and discovered a more refined one afterward? It really wouldn't be hard to explain.

And btw, I don't want detailed explanations. What I want is for the story to be more important than how cool the batsuit looks to some of you guys. We've already got a batsuit, and a good one at that.

Sure, but it can be improved upon. For the record, a updated suit does apply to the story, to a certain extent. Batman is now established. It'd make sense for him to have a more streamlined suit, as opposed to one that looks like it was thrown together (Batman Begins). The BB suit looks amateurish, which it should. Batman's not an newbie anymore.

You'll see from my post somewhere in here that IF they redid the suit I'd like it to look a lot like what is being bounced around here. I'd just rather not see the suit redesigned.

It doesn't need a complete redesign. It could, however, use some modifications/minor changes.

He's got a suit, it works. How about cleaning up the streets of the Arkham escapees before playing Gucci with the suit?

How about doing both?

 

[Mr. Socko]

Lucius Fox showed Bruce one of the suits, the other containers could have held various designs of the suit.

 

[Boom]

Or look at it this way.

Bruce owns Wayne Enterprises now. What if he chose to restart up the production of those survival suits? Assuming some time has passed since that prototype was made, the technology would be much more advanced, resulting in a better, sleeker suit.

And if they mass-produced those, who's to say one can't be "displaced?"

 

[kytrigger]

Or look at it this way.

Bruce owns Wayne Enterprises now. What if he chose to restart up the production of those survival suits? Assuming some time has passed since that prototype was made, the technology would be much more advanced, resulting in a better, sleeker suit.

And if they mass-produced those, who's to say one can't be "displaced?"

Well he probably wouldn't mass produce any suits since they don't have a contract for the suits, none would be sold. But I could easily see him making sure that Wayne Ent. is constantly creating new prototypes of suits, gadgets, and other doodads.

 

[Boom]

Well he probably wouldn't mass produce any suits since they don't have a contract for the suits, none would be sold. But I could easily see him making sure that Wayne Ent. is constantly creating new prototypes of suits, gadgets, and other doodads.

He could make contracts with the US government, or even foreign governments.

Again, I'm just spitballing ideas.

 

[kenellard]

why not get alfred to do it? hey, come to think of it, he made those suits with the nipples, what the hell was wrong with that guy?!

 

[kytrigger]

He could make contracts with the US government, or even foreign governments.

True, but I think I am thinking more like the paranoid Batman of the past decade in the comics. I couldn't see this one giving his basic design of his suit to anyone else, especially other militaries. But I see where it could work in the movies.

 

[kytrigger]

I think it would be funny if Batman did have a new cowl design, and we saw all 20,000 of his old cowls in the corner of the batcave. Poor Alfred would have to clean up all the old ones.

 

[Boom]

True, but I think I am thinking more like the paranoid Batman of the past decade in the comics. I couldn't see this one giving his basic design of his suit to anyone else, especially other militaries. But I see where it could work in the movies.

Well obviously Batman wasn't too worried about people making connections between the Batmobile and The Tumbler .

The thing about the suit is: one, it'll be painted black, and two, Batman cloaks himself with a cape and hides in the shadows.

The suit would be hardly seen by most people. It would be difficult to make the connection between the batsuit and the ones produced by Wayne Enterprises.

 

[kytrigger]

Well obviously Batman wasn't too worried about people making connections between the Batmobile and The Tumbler .

The thing about the suit is: one, it'll be painted black, and two, Batman cloaks himself with a cape and hides in the shadows.

The suit would be hardly seen by most people. It would be difficult to make the connection between the batsuit and the ones produced by Wayne Enterprises.

true

 

[Saint]

I've got no problem with people liking the suit the way it is--I'm not sure I want modifications, myself--but all this garbage about modifications "not making sense" is a load of crap. It is so MIND-BENDINGLY EASY to explain suit modifications that it would hardly be necessary to explain on film. I can do it in two lines:

Wayne: "Lucius, I've outlined some modifications I need made to the suit."
Fox: "Okay."

DONE. Hell, there are plenty of ways it could be explained. Other prototypes lying around? Damage to the original, thus necessitating repairs? Hell, Bruce could educate himself and building HIS OWN version of the suit.

As for WHY the suit would be changed, that's easiest of all: improvements. It doesn't matter if they're technical or just stylistic, because Batman needs both. People say style shouldn't matter to Batman, but how can that be true? We're talking about a guy who goes to great lengths to make himself appear as a Bat demon. Appearance is always going to be at least somewhat relevant to Batman, and as such I don't think it's unreasonable to assume he'd take steps to appear more inhuman or organic.

 

[El Payaso]

Saint, you said it all.

 

[Boom]

I've got no problem with people liking the suit the way it is--I'm not sure I want modifications, myself--but all this garbage about modifications "not making sense" is a load of crap. It is so MIND-BENDINGLY EASY to explain suit modifications that it would hardly be necessary to explain on film. I can do it in two lines:

Wayne: "Lucius, I've outlined some modifications I need made to the suit."
Fox: "Okay."

DONE. Hell, there are plenty of ways it could be explained. Other prototypes lying around? Damage to the original, thus necessitating repairs? Hell, Bruce could educate himself and building HIS OWN version of the suit.

As for WHY the suit would be changed, that's easiest of all: improvements. It doesn't matter if they're technical or just stylistic, because Batman needs both. People say style shouldn't matter to Batman, but how can that be true? We're talking about a guy who goes to great lengths to make himself appear as a Bat demon. Appearance is always going to be at least somewhat relevant to Batman, and as such I don't think it's unreasonable to assume he'd take steps to appear more inhuman or organic.

I'd tell you I love you if I wasn't confident in my heterosexuality .

 

[Katsuro]

I've got no problem with people liking the suit the way it is--I'm not sure I want modifications, myself--but all this garbage about modifications "not making sense" is a load of crap. It is so MIND-BENDINGLY EASY to explain suit modifications that it would hardly be necessary to explain on film. I can do it in two lines:

Wayne: "Lucius, I've outlined some modifications I need made to the suit."
Fox: "Okay."

DONE. Hell, there are plenty of ways it could be explained. Other prototypes lying around? Damage to the original, thus necessitating repairs? Hell, Bruce could educate himself and building HIS OWN version of the suit.

As for WHY the suit would be changed, that's easiest of all: improvements. It doesn't matter if they're technical or just stylistic, because Batman needs both. People say style shouldn't matter to Batman, but how can that be true? We're talking about a guy who goes to great lengths to make himself appear as a Bat demon. Appearance is always going to be at least somewhat relevant to Batman, and as such I don't think it's unreasonable to assume he'd take steps to appear more inhuman or organic.

Yeah, but ther'es a big difference between modifications to improve his crimefighting techniques, and modifications to please fanboys (which we all know is what we're really talking about). Certain things like changing the ears or getting rid of the clasps would be hard to explain (especially since the clasps are more practical).

And as for lenses, I've said it once and i'll say it again: what looks cool in comics and cartoons does not always look cool on film. Lenses would look silly in the film. Besides, are glowing white eyes really practical for someone who relies on stealth?

 

[Boom]

are glowing white eyes really practical for someone who relies on stealth?

Are they practical for someone who relies on INTIMIDATION?

 

[Mr. Socko]

No matter what anyone thinks, they're changing the suit. Whether it be small modifications like with the Spidey suit or huge changes like with the Superman Suit, it's going to change for sure.

 

[Boom]

No matter what anyone thinks, they're changing the suit. Whether it be small modifications like with the Spidey suit or huge changes like with the Superman Suit, it's going to change for sure.

Nah, I doubt it'll go beyond subtle changes.

 

[ragdus]

Are they practical for someone who relies on INTIMIDATION?

Would you be more afraid of a huge guy in a black suit that beats you and your gun toting buddies within an inch of your life singlehandedly, or would you be more afraid of a huge guy in a black suit that beats you and your gun toting buddies within an inch of your life singlehandedly, but with white eyes?

wtf?

 

[Boom]

Would you be more afraid of a huge guy in a black suit that beats you and your gun toting buddies within an inch of your life singlehandedly, or would you be more afraid of a huge guy in a black suit that beats you and your gun toting buddies within an inch of your life singlehandedly, but with white eyes?

wtf?

My answer is obvious .

 

[ragdus]

indeed.

 

[Saint]

Yeah, but ther'es a big difference between modifications to improve his crimefighting techniques, and modifications to please fanboys (which we all know is what we're really talking about). Certain things like changing the ears or getting rid of the clasps would be hard to explain (especially since the clasps are more practical).

No, there is no difference (which was the point of that post I just made). You people MANUFACTURE the difference because you just don't want to see one thing or another. You see, any "fanboy change" is REMARKABLY easy to create a practical explaination for on film. Cosmetic changes are readily explained by a desire on Bruce's part to enhance or alter the way he is percieved by his opponents. This same argument can be applied to your lense statement--the only thing necessary would be to make the lenses retractable when he requires stealth.

My point is that people here ultimately prefer one look or another, and only after making that choice do they conjure up these reasons why the alternative is impractical. The fact of the matter is that anything can be explained in fiction--even fanboy pleasing changes--and as such I think people should stop coming up with fake reasoning, and just admit that they don't like lenses, or a yellow oval, or whatever else.

 

[El Payaso]

Yeah, but ther'es a big difference between modifications to improve his crimefighting techniques, and modifications to please fanboys (which we all know is what we're really talking about). Certain things like changing the ears or getting rid of the clasps would be hard to explain (especially since the clasps are more practical).

Excuse me , clasps more practical for what?

 

[Ronny Shade]

Would you be more afraid of a huge guy in a black suit that beats you and your gun toting buddies within an inch of your life singlehandedly, or would you be more afraid of a huge guy in a black suit that beats you and your gun toting buddies within an inch of your life singlehandedly, but with white eyes?

wtf?

great post

 

[Maxwell Smart]

Rather than "lenses"(which would indeed look dumb), maybe he could wear white eye contacts? That'd look pretty cool.. but its too obvious of a change from Begins to make without explaining it somehow, IMO.

Changes I definitely would like to see:

-nix the clasps and join the cape in front
-new cowl, a similar one but tweaked. A wider mouth hole, more obvious and sinister looking 'eyebrows'(like on the Returns cowl), and longer ears.
-less futuristic looking pattern on the front of the suit

And thats it really. The bulky neck doesn't really bother me, and I really dig the cloth cape, the sleeker bronze utility belt, and the oval-less Bat symbol. Definitely keep those.