The Dark Knight Batsuit Discussion Thread

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Thats the thing, there is nothing wrong with improving it. The production said Nolan liked the flexible neck so much that he wanted it even more flexible next time...but its the fact that you guys act like its a huge deal and a key component to the movie, when it clearly isn't.

Lujho brought up the cowl on the last page. This was his post.

There's no reason they couldn't make a 89-style or inspired cowl with better movement.

Really, I don't know why they just don't use softer rubber for the cowls - all of them.

This was yours in response:

They did use soft rubber. What some of you dorks don't realize, is that he is always going to have something on his head AND his neck...you can't move your head like its fully natural. You can't move your head as natural as possible, even in a football helmet, so enough with the damn complaints. It's barely noticeable in the first movies. In fact, I never had an issue or even noticed it until I came here and started reading fanboy gripes about it, back in 2003. I was like, what are they talking about? Bale moved his head plenty while in the BEGINS suit. It really isn't a big deal.

Judging the two, YOU made a bigger deal out of it than he did.

 

[Super_Ludacris]

Improve the material so it's even more flexible, more comfortable, and doesn't crease as much.

Which again is how it's already designed

 

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Which again is how it's already designed

So by your reasoning, they shouldn't improve the material used for the suit, since it was designed to be flexible enough in Batman Begins?

The costume designer already said they would be, so I don't see why the cowl wouldn't apply too.

 

[Whack Arnolds]

Im gonna let you know something, the more flexible it gets..the more it will crease. Just like a cloth would, which is completely flexible. Thats why this cowl creased alot as well, and then new complaints spring up. It's always this same. It never creased with the early suits cause they were so hard. And did you see how much the neck creased during the "Bat out of Hell" scene? I don't mind it though, kaes it look as though it is the creatures actual skin. Cause, skin creases as well...

 

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Im gonna let you know something, the more flexible it gets..the more it will crease. Just like a cloth would, which is completely flexible. Thats why this cowl creased alot as well, and then new complaints spring up. It's always this same. It never creased with the early suits cause they were so hard. And did you see how much the neck creased during the "Bat out of Hell" scene? I don't mind it though, kaes it look as though it is the creatures actual skin. Cause, skin creases as well...

The what scene? The scene where Crane sees him through fear gas?

 

[Super_Ludacris]

So by your reasoning, they shouldn't improve the material used for the suit, since it was flexible enough in Batman Begins?

Your point was they could make the cowl more flexible, I said they have. What else could they do? What other material is there that's existent?

With the Kevlar suit, the prototype for the suit would still be that, then it's just a matter of changing the cover design on it.

 

[Whack Arnolds]

The what scene? The scene where Crane sees him through fear gas?

Yeah, the "Bat out of Hell" scene...

 

[Boom]

Your point was they could make the cowl more flexible, I said they have. What else could they do? What other material is there that's existent?

Make it more flexible in the sequel. There is ALWAYS room for improvement with the materials being used for the suit. Even the costume designer said the materials were constantly getting better.

With the Kevlar suit, the prototype for the suit would still be that, then it's just a matter of changing the cover design on it.

What? It doesn't matter if the suit (design) is the same. The point is, the costume designer will use improved materials to allow better flexibility.

 

[Boom]

Yeah, the "Bat out of Hell" scene...

That was a prosthetic cowl and neck, which is why it looks so natural.

I agree though, it looked fantastic in that scene. I wouldn't mind at all if they applied the neck as a prosthetic in the sequel.

 

[Super_Ludacris]

Dude if they said in the DVD that they use to most flexible material for the cowl you would have to come knocking on the R&D department of some patent company for something that probably isnt there.

 

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Dude if they said in the DVD that they use to most flexible material for the cowl you would have to come knocking on the R&D department of some patent company for something that probably isnt there.

They never said it was THE MOST flexible. If that were the case, then the costume designer would not have said that THE MATERIALS WERE CONSTANTLY IMPROVING.

 

[Super_Ludacris]

They never said it was THE MOST flexible. If that were the case, then the costume designer would not have said that THE MATERIALS WERE CONSTANTLY IMPROVING.

They said it in general to design and production of course things are progressing. But as of the time of the filiming that was what was out there. Do you know if anything has come out since then that could be used? We dont know.

 

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They said it in general to design and production of course things are progressing. But as of the time of the filiming that was what was out there. Do you know if anything has come out since then that could be used? We dont know.

Actually we do.

 

[Super_Ludacris]

Well then show it and lets see if it works on the cowl.

 

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Well then show it and lets see if it works on the cowl.

..Okay, are you not listening to me?

The damn COSTUME DESIGNER, who works in the industry, flat out said the materials were constantly improving.

What more do you honestly want here? I'm not proposing a completely different material to be used. I'm proposing that an improved version of the material used for the first cowl to be used.

 

[Super_Ludacris]

..Okay, are you not listening to me?

The damn COSTUME DESIGNER, who works in the industry, flat out said the materials were constantly improving.

What more do you honestly want here? I'm not proposing a completely different material to be used. I'm proposing that an improved version of the material used for the first cowl to be used.

No I see your point but you clearly didnt see my last post. Things are constantly improving but we dont know at what rate. So like I said before back in 03-04 the cowl they used was probably the best at the time, we dont know in the 3 years since if something has come out to improve on that or if its not gonna be out for another 5 years. We dont know you see?

 

[BatScot]

Do you know if anything has come out since then that could be used? We dont know.

Day Murch, lead designer Batman Begins, acknowledged prior to filming that there was a better alternative:

“I’m sure there are better materials other than neoprene it’s just that I didn’t get to find them in time.”

BOF BATMAN BEGINS set report #3--Day March and The Bat-suit!​

Regarding the neck:

“… it does allow him to twist and turn. [Nolan’s] asked that we do it even more next time.”​

That Nolan asked for even more flexibility in future cowl designs implies a certain lack of flexibility in the current design. Now this does not mean that the Begins cowl is inflexible, however it is indicative of the fact that both the director and lead costume designer see room for improvement, which is the point several people here have made—and correctly so.

 

[Super_Ludacris]

It's 4:19 AM in the UK/Scotland


lol@ you staying up all night looking for that quote

 

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It's 4:19 AM in the UK/Scotland


lol@ you staying up all night looking for that quote

Laugh all you want. The point remains that what he just posted is undeniable proof of what we've been saying.

 

[Johnny Drama]

Owned...

 

[BatScot]

It's 4:19 AM in the UK/Scotland

Yes, I suppose it was… what’s your point?

you staying up all night looking for that quote

Oh, that’s your point… well aside from the fact that your ‘point’ is wholly irrelevant, I have long been aware of Murch’s statement regarding the materials used and what that statement meant in terms of the question being discussed, and I knew exactly where to find the quote.

BTW: You should be careful when trying to make a ‘point’ based on a false assumption… my heart may be in Scotland, but that doesn’t mean my clock is.

 

[Johnny Drama]

Double owned...

 

[lujho]

Well you do realise in the DVD they said they designed and tested and created the cowl so he could fully move his neck (which would the 90 degree head turn that we so desperatly needed appearntly). The fact that Bale choose not to do this by your perspective is moot. Because the cowl according to the designer was already made so he could.

So basically it just boils down Christian literally turning his head to appease you.

Now to do see my point?

He couldn't fully move his head. Period. I believe it was in BOF's set reports, or maybe the DVD that said he could move his head more than the old cowls but still not as much as a prosthetic, and in turn even less than a completely free head.

He could TILT his head as much as he pleased. But he still couldn't *twist* it very well at all, or he would have done so.

 

[El Payaso]

Thats the thing, there is nothing wrong with improving it. The production said Nolan liked the flexible neck so much that he wanted it even more flexible next time...but its the fact that you guys act like its a huge deal and a key component to the movie, when it clearly isn't.

I'm just against people claiming 'Oh, now the Bale's suit had so a flexible neck', when it isn't like that at all.

 

[DV8]

There's always been a problem w/ the neck . . . this suit is far better than past ones, but LOTS of room for improvement . . . the neck should be separate from the mask as far as mobility is concerned . . .