The Dark Knight Batsuit Discussion Thread

[Keyser Sushi]

In a two-color black and gray suit, yes, it does. I've seen a number of black-gray Bat-suits without them and they look stupid, like kiddie PJ's. I expect to see a flap in the back so Bats can do a no. 2.

On the other hand, an all-black suit doesn't have that problem.

 

[Doc Holliday]

I think the Begins suit is great. I understand if they make minor adjustments, that's cool.

But I'm going to shoot myself if the bring back the Bat-Nipples.

 

[Bathead]

On the other hand, an all-black suit doesn't have that problem.

This is true.

 

[DAVIDYR1]

Back to the trunks and head movement eh? LOL!!
Here's what I think...not influenced by any outside source either...

Batman is big 'marketing' material...huge...
Each different Batman costume version seems to fly off of the shelves be it for toys, shirts, games...whatever.
A new suit in Begins II will mean new merchandise and while I dont think ANYONE wants repeat merchandising control over the film itself as we saw in B&R I do feel some changes to the suit will occur.

I love the Begins suit...as is. Improve on it?...Hell, why not?

What improvements?...technical and in the construction? Better movement..sure, but I thought is was fine on film. Promo stills showed buckles..on film we barely saw the suit never mind the folds.

Change design?
I do believe this could happen for a lot of reasons. Does this mean we'll get grey and black? Doubtful, but they did achnowledge the importance of 2 tone in the first film by having glossy smooth finishes on some elements of the suit, thus making the light reflect differently showing 2 dark shades of black.
Go with a fabric type suit? Again, I personally doubt they will do this..rubber suits seem to be the way to go for the big screen batman suit but again, I do say it could work. Do I want to see the briefs?...at this point if a fabric type suit was introduced it would have to work on it's own, if they could pull that off then I believe they could have briefs too...only if they served some kind of purpose. Like the Judge Dread costume. Crotch protection.

New design to the suit means a lot of new licenses for marketing and the like...they've done it for all the last movies but as long as they keep with the current formula of 'movie' first then marketing I am sure that whatever it is we get will be just as cool as the begins suit if not better this time.

I'm a rubber suit guy...love the Begins suit...but I do believe something different could work just the same.

To me, Batman is a feel more than a look...if what I see on film feels right (to me) then it will naturally look right too.

David

 

[trustyside-kick]

To me, Batman is a feel more than a look...if what I see on film feels right (to me) then it will naturally look right too.

Ya. I feel the same way. Not like people have bashed me for this opinion bad or anything but I really would not mind a fabric suit.

 

[chiefchirpa]

I want the animated series Dark Blue suit minus the oval. And I've prepared myself a life vest.

 

[JBElliott]

Making a Bat-Thong a different color from the rest of the suit makes it look better? Really?

Yes it would. The mono color body suit has been tried in the comics a few times, but it never lasted. If a body suit of a single color looked better than the dark trunks over a lighter body suit, it would have lasted. It didn't. Thus the conclusion must be that the two tones look better than the mono tone.

 

[JBElliott]

On the other hand, an all-black suit doesn't have that problem.

Yes it does.

 

[Ronny Shade]

Yes it would. The mono color body suit has been tried in the comics a few times, but it never lasted. If a body suit of a single color looked better than the dark trunks over a lighter body suit, it would have lasted. It didn't. Thus the conclusion must be that the two tones look better than the mono tone.

I rest my case

 

[kytrigger]

I rest my case

damn...beat me to it

 

[JBElliott]

I rest my case

Then you lose. Comics can translate to film if you work hard enough, see for example Spider-Man's comic costume and movie costume.

 

[Ronny Shade]

Then you lose. Comics can translate to film if you work hard enough, see for example Spider-Man's comic costume and movie costume.

Spider-Man had a completely different tone than Batman Begins.

Completely.

 

[StorminNorman]

Spider-Man is going for a Comic-On-Film look - Batman is looking for reality.

 

[JBElliott]

Spider-Man is going for a Comic-On-Film look - Batman is looking for reality.

There's nothing real about a guy who puts on a suit with a cape and tries to beat up bad guys. He'd trip on his cape and he'd be killed in the first half hour of his first night out.

Better to go the Spider-Man route of putting a comic on film since Batman is a comic character being put on film. It's pretty simple really.

 

[StorminNorman]

There's nothing real about a guy who puts on a suit with a cape and tries to beat up bad guys. He'd trip on his cape and he'd be killed in the first half hour of his first night out.

Better to go the Spider-Man route of putting a comic on film since Batman is a comic character being put on film. It's pretty simple really.

It doesnt matter if Batman is a realistic character, the style of this Batman series is grounded in reality - it is not a normal "comic book movie", so normal comic suits wont work.

Since Batman Begins was 100x the movie both Spider-Man movies were, I think Begins has the right idea, not SM.

 

[kytrigger]

There's nothing real about a guy who puts on a suit with a cape and tries to beat up bad guys. He'd trip on his cape and he'd be killed in the first half hour of his first night out.

Better to go the Spider-Man route of putting a comic on film since Batman is a comic character being put on film. It's pretty simple really.

Verisimilitude. It's not real, but it is a more realistic approach.

And it's not better to go the Spider-man route. Both are completely different, but acceptable routes to go. Since BB went with the more realistic approach, it's better to contine with that than to completely change gears and go with a Spider-Man approach.

 

[Ronny Shade]

There's nothing real about a guy who puts on a suit with a cape and tries to beat up bad guys. He'd trip on his cape and he'd be killed in the first half hour of his first night out.

Better to go the Spider-Man route of putting a comic on film since Batman is a comic character being put on film. It's pretty simple really.

Its been done. Its called Batman: The Animated Series.

Now. I'm not saying the gray/black cloth approach would never work, but I'm saying that the rubber suit/armor look works just as well if not better.

 

[Doc Holliday]

but I'm saying that the rubber suit/armor look works just as well if not better.

Well...not all the time...

Like I said before, just leave out the Bat-Nipples (and probably the exaggerated muscles) and all will be fine.

 

[Ronny Shade]

concurment

 

[JBElliott]

Verisimilitude.

I'm familiar with the word, having been one of the first to use it on this forum.

With regards to verisimilitude a costume that looks exactly like the comics could work very easily. All that's needed is a scene in the movie where, for example, Fox explains to Wayne that Wayne Tech has developed bullet resistant cloth and then shoots it with a bullet and shows the cloth unscathed. That gives the audience all they need to see to believe in a bat suit that looks like cloth.

Both comics and movies are inherently visual mediums and what works in one, often times works in the other. For example, the Spider-Man costume works in movies with only slight tweaks from the comic version. Or conversely, the "wide screen" approach works well in "Ultimates" by Millar and Hitch.

 

[JBElliott]

Its been done. Its called Batman: The Animated Series.

Now. I'm not saying the gray/black cloth approach would never work, but I'm saying that the rubber suit/armor look works just as well if not better.

I respect your opinion that the rubber suit armor works just as well if not better, but I don't share it.

Since Batman: TAS is so well regarded, it's a pity that the people who created it were not involved in BR at a very high level with a lot of creative control.

 

[Nightwing1977]

Then you lose. Comics can translate to film if you work hard enough, see for example Spider-Man's comic costume and movie costume.

That because Spidey is different compare to Batman. Spidey's costume is like that, 'cause it always been his suit ever since his first app. & the fact is he's a colorful & fantasy hero. Batman isn't. He change his suit a lot like X-Men & the fact is he should blend in with the shadow/darkness. I don't think there a reason he need gray/blue color like he always has for a long time between his first app. through the mid 90s. I always Batman's costume as simple plain black. Make him more of a real scary, dark creature that can hide in the dark.

 

[darwinwins]

the animated suit idea is a bad idea. the color pallette for an animated flick are different from the real life lighting nightmares. grey does not absorb light -- the white in the grey reflects it. the rubber suits get away with it in the films because the light is set to highlight certain features more than others, but the black also absorbs light.

/art geek

 

[Keyser Sushi]

Since Batman: TAS is so well regarded, it's a pity that the people who created it were not involved in BR at a very high level with a lot of creative control.

So exacly how many freckles are on Bruce Timm's ass anyway, JB? Seems like you've had your face in proximity to it enough times to know.

Look, I love BTAS, too. It's a wonderful show. But what works in animation doesn't necessarily work as well in live-action. I'm not saying that it couldn't be done to look cool. Hell, I'm not even saying that I wouldn't like to see it eventually. But the Begins world has established the costume as an infantryman's combat suit. While this has never been part of the mythos before, it is certainly a cool idea. And it looked good onscreen.

My advice? Deal with it. It's the movies. Sometimes Tom Bombadil doesn't show up. Sometimes Gambit doesn't, either. Nor Gwen Stacy. Nor House-elf subplots. In the movies they change things. For better or for worse, it's what they do.

If bellyaching makes you feel better, then go for it. But realize most of us just don't care what you want. And neither does Chris Nolan.

 

[Whack Arnolds]

Keyser just owned about every damn person that was arguing against him. CONGRATS!!!!