The Dark Knight Batsuit Discussion Thread

[Saint]

I'm familiar with the word, having been one of the first to use it on this forum.

With regards to verisimilitude a costume that looks exactly like the comics could work very easily. All that's needed is a scene in the movie where, for example, Fox explains to Wayne that Wayne Tech has developed bullet resistant cloth and then shoots it with a bullet and shows the cloth unscathed. That gives the audience all they need to see to believe in a bat suit that looks like cloth.

But thsat doesn't mean they'll buy it. I certainly wouldn't. I think the minimum where material is concerned is wetsuit-like material; something similar to what was worn in Spider-Man or perhaps Fantastic Four. Actually, I think that Fantastic Four material might make a fantastic batsuit.

That said, I am not convinced such a drastic change would A) make sense, or B) be necessary in this incarnation of the franchise. For the next set of films, I hope for a complete and total revamp, ditching the realistic approach for something more stylized and closer to fantasy (note: because people ALWAYS misinterpret this, I will clarify--as I always do--that the reason for this is NOT because I dislike Nolan's approach--to the contrary, it is wonderful--but because I want to see as many different interpretations of Batman on screen as possible). In such a franchise, much greater liberties could be taken with the costume to make it appear as it does in the comics.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

Bale's new look for BB2! Remember, you saw it here first.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

Keyser just owned about every damn person that was arguing against him. CONGRATS!!!!

Thanks, dude. I try.

And I've awfully damn belligerent lately. Too much n00b in my diet.

 

[StorminNorman]

My advice? Deal with it. It's the movies. Sometimes Tom Bombadil doesn't show up. Sometimes Gambit doesn't, either. Nor Gwen Stacy. Nor House-elf subplots. In the movies they change things. For better or for worse, it's what they do.

NOOOOOO!!!!!

 

[hey yo its sean]

I hate that Batman's suit creases up at times. They need to make the next suit of unearthly materials that are currently unknown to man. Materials that never crease or bulge.

 

[StorminNorman]

Bale's new look for BB2! Remember, you saw it here first.

Well it seems Sushi has solved the issue of what to do with Batman's ears...I must say I am pleased, amused, horrified and sickened all at the sametime.

 

[El Payaso]

Keyser just owned about every damn person that was arguing against him. CONGRATS!!!!

That's right.

But MouseMan owns us all.

 

[trustyside-kick]

Bale's new look for BB2! Remember, you saw it here first.

Lmao.

 

[Nightwing1977]

Bale's new look for BB2! Remember, you saw it here first.

OMG!! LMAO! I can't help but laugh so hard at this, which made my belly bounce from laughter. Thanks a lot, Keyser. I needed that.

BTW, can you make that pic in 100 x 100 pixels? Since I hang out on another forum, I want to post that pic. I hang out at Countingdown & they can't allow pic that big. I hope you don't mind.

 

[bdsproductions]

MouseMan PWNS all yo assess!.

 

[Whack Arnolds]

I hate that Batman's suit creases up at times. They need to make the next suit of unearthly materials that are currently unknown to man. Materials that never crease or bulge.

Seriously. All things crease or buldge. Whether it's these muscle fixated dorks and their spandex...stuff will always crease.

 

[DorkyFresh]

i've posted this on other threads but i don't think i've posted it on this one. if i have...my bad, but i made a manip with the changes i would like to see in the batsuit. there are 5 changes really and 4 are so minute that you wouldn't even notice a change while watching the movie...

1. my biggest problem with the original (left) is the abs. i changed it to make it look more organic/natural while still keeping an armor-ish look.
2. my 2nd biggest complaint is the cape attachment. i know they made Robin's cape attach to the neckpiece just fine without the buttons/scallops/whatever you wanna call them. so i just copied that same attachment for Batman.
3. i darkened the batsymbol, gloves, gauntlets, and cowl just a tad. just enough to break up the colors a bit without going overboard. you go too dark and you loose detail while filming.
4. i widened the mouth opening to give the illusion that Bale has a bigger and stronger jaw. the narrower the opening, the narrower his face looks. Batman should have a strong jaw and as great as Bale looks, he still have somewhat of a weak jaw. widening the opening makes his jaw look stronger...
5. last but not least, i narrowed the neck...one of my main complaints is that the neck is too thick. yes, it looks fierce but it also looks clunky...narrowing the neck makes Batman's body look bigger as well.

so there you have it...hope ya'll like it and can agree with some of my views. if not, then go stick your tongue on a frozen pole or somethin' hehe

 

[Wams]

Keyser just owned about every damn person that was arguing against him. CONGRATS!!!!

"Yawn"

 

[JBElliott]

But thsat doesn't mean they'll buy it.

People bought a guy getting bit by a spider and getting super powers (Spider-Man). People bought an alien from another planet who looks just like humans and can flight, is super strong and invulnerable (Superman). People buy a guy in a tuxedo who gets shot at all the time, but never gets killed (James Bond). People will easily buy a bat costume that looks like fabric and not rubber if the costume looks good.

 

[Saint]

People bought a guy getting bit by a spider and getting super powers (Spider-Man). People bought an alien from another planet who looks just like humans and can flight, is super strong and invulnerable (Superman). People buy a guy in a tuxedo who gets shot at all the time, but never gets killed (James Bond). People will easily buy a bat costume that looks like fabric and not rubber if the costume looks good.

I disagree, because it's not the same situation. Suspension of disbelief is all about degrees, and even in movies with flying aliens and genetically altered spider-people, there is a line. In a Batman movie--especially in THIS Batman movie--one can assume the line is a little closer to reality. If this was a film taking place in the future, I could buy a thin, bulletproof cloth, but since it is not, I think the material needs a level of thickness and percieved durability to it (as I said, I think the Fantastic Four uniform material is very well suited to this).

Additionally, I just don't think cloth looks good. Aesthetics are always a concern, and although certain people like the Dead End look, I don't.

 

[Katsuro]

People bought a guy getting bit by a spider and getting super powers (Spider-Man). People bought an alien from another planet who looks just like humans and can flight, is super strong and invulnerable (Superman). People buy a guy in a tuxedo who gets shot at all the time, but never gets killed (James Bond). People will easily buy a bat costume that looks like fabric and not rubber if the costume looks good.

And therein lies the problem. It wont.

 

[JBElliott]

And therein lies the problem. It wont.

Yes it would.

 

[Morgoth]

The suit really does need to get fixed, the mask is too chunky, his ears don't look right. Not sleek anough, needs a bigger opening around the mouth. Darker Bat too that stands out.

 

[JBElliott]

I disagree, because it's not the same situation. Suspension of disbelief is all about degrees, and even in movies with flying aliens and genetically altered spider-people, there is a line. In a Batman movie--especially in THIS Batman movie--one can assume the line is a little closer to reality. If this was a film taking place in the future, I could buy a thin, bulletproof cloth, but since it is not, I think the material needs a level of thickness and percieved durability to it (as I said, I think the Fantastic Four uniform material is very well suited to this).

A Batman movie is about as close to reality as a James Bond movie. People accpet Bond going into gun fights and more wearing a tuxedo ar business suit and emerging unscathed. A general audience would have no problem accpeting a bat suit that looked like cloth if they were told and shown that it was bullet resistant. People will accept anything they are told and shown in movies so long as it is well done. As an example, audiences accepted the Batman Returns bat suit as bullet resistant even though it looked exactly like a wet suit which in no way is bullet resisant.

To get rubber that is bullet proof you'd also have to set the film in the future.

Additionally, I just don't think cloth looks good. Aesthetics are always a concern, and although certain people like the Dead End look, I don't.

That's your opinion and I respect it, but disagree.

 

[StorminNorman]

The suit really does need to get fixed, the mask is too chunky, his ears don't look right. Not sleek anough, needs a bigger opening around the mouth. Darker Bat too that stands out.

I disagree, it does not NEED to be fixed because it is by far the best on screen Bat-suit. There is slight room for improvement, but the suit was not a flaw of Batman Begins and it wont be a flaw for BB2 - any improvements made on it are just gravy.

 

[Sandman138]

i've posted this on other threads but i don't think i've posted it on this one. if i have...my bad, but i made a manip with the changes i would like to see in the batsuit. there are 5 changes really and 4 are so minute that you wouldn't even notice a change while watching the movie...

1. my biggest problem with the original (left) is the abs. i changed it to make it look more organic/natural while still keeping an armor-ish look.
2. my 2nd biggest complaint is the cape attachment. i know they made Robin's cape attach to the neckpiece just fine without the buttons/scallops/whatever you wanna call them. so i just copied that same attachment for Batman.
3. i darkened the batsymbol, gloves, gauntlets, and cowl just a tad. just enough to break up the colors a bit without going overboard. you go too dark and you loose detail while filming.
4. i widened the mouth opening to give the illusion that Bale has a bigger and stronger jaw. the narrower the opening, the narrower his face looks. Batman should have a strong jaw and as great as Bale looks, he still have somewhat of a weak jaw. widening the opening makes his jaw look stronger...
5. last but not least, i narrowed the neck...one of my main complaints is that the neck is too thick. yes, it looks fierce but it also looks clunky...narrowing the neck makes Batman's body look bigger as well.

so there you have it...hope ya'll like it and can agree with some of my views. if not, then go stick your tongue on a frozen pole or somethin' hehe

Could you add some texture to the rubber? Make it look like cracked rock? Make him look like a moving gargoyle. As far as everything else, it's right on the money.

 

[Saint]

As an example, audiences accepted the Batman Returns bat suit as bullet resistant even though it looked exactly like a wet suit which in no way is bullet resisant.

Which is my point. That material has a thickness an percieved durability (as opposed to actual durability), making it believable. Cloth does not. I might be able to buy a cloth that a bullet would not penetrate, but anything underneath said cloth would still suffer broken bones, bruises, and probably internal bleeding. The vast bulk of the damage would still be suffered. For example; I ski often, and once I wiped out and crashed--on my side--into a pipe or something that was at the edge of the run. I was wearing three a turtleneck and a jacket, niether were torn, but I still suffered a gash in my side.

Running with my example of the FF suits, the material has a degree of thickness and toughness that translates into my believing that the bulk of the impact would be absorped, though of course there'd still be bruising and maybe a cracked rib. With cloth, it would take even MORE advanced technology to disperse the impact, which, for me, makes it even less believable in the present.

To get rubber that is bullet proof you'd also have to set the film in the future.

I refer you to my earlier point about degrees of believability. There is fiction that it is easy to pretend might exist in the present, and there is fiction that is not. I count bulletproof cloth in the latter category, along with intergalactic travel, lightsabers, jacking into computers, and tri-corders.

Ultimately, it becomes necessary to consider the context. In the world of Nolan's franchise, I can't believe that cloth offers any considerable protection, but I can believe the batsuit does. If this was a different world, maybe things would be different. If we were talking about Spider-Man, where a guy can be made into a Sandman, maybe then. I don't think that is a fault of the Nolan's approach, just a reality of it. As I said before, I expect a fantasy approach on the next set of films, and perhaps the cloth idea might work then (But I still wouldn't like the look, as I explained). But then, I might prefer they use no bulletproof material at all in the next franchise. Depends of the level of fantasy involved.

 

[darknight7]

i've posted this on other threads but i don't think i've posted it on this one. if i have...my bad, but i made a manip with the changes i would like to see in the batsuit. there are 5 changes really and 4 are so minute that you wouldn't even notice a change while watching the movie...

1. my biggest problem with the original (left) is the abs. i changed it to make it look more organic/natural while still keeping an armor-ish look.
2. my 2nd biggest complaint is the cape attachment. i know they made Robin's cape attach to the neckpiece just fine without the buttons/scallops/whatever you wanna call them. so i just copied that same attachment for Batman.
3. i darkened the batsymbol, gloves, gauntlets, and cowl just a tad. just enough to break up the colors a bit without going overboard. you go too dark and you loose detail while filming.
4. i widened the mouth opening to give the illusion that Bale has a bigger and stronger jaw. the narrower the opening, the narrower his face looks. Batman should have a strong jaw and as great as Bale looks, he still have somewhat of a weak jaw. widening the opening makes his jaw look stronger...
5. last but not least, i narrowed the neck...one of my main complaints is that the neck is too thick. yes, it looks fierce but it also looks clunky...narrowing the neck makes Batman's body look bigger as well.

so there you have it...hope ya'll like it and can agree with some of my views. if not, then go stick your tongue on a frozen pole or somethin' hehe

That is so much better wow...

Nice work

--dk7

 

[Whack Arnolds]

Summer 2006

Out of Tragedy, a LEGEND is Born...

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[Steelsheen]

Summer 2006

Out of Tragedy, a LEGEND is Born...

Disney Pictures Presents

Mickey Mouse Begins

LMAO!!!