The Dark Knight Beyond The Picture: Analyzing IBIHDToo.com

[CaptainGenerica]

Well, if there's one thing that I would tolerate the Joker doing to himself, it'd be the red lips. In The Dark Knight Returns, for example, he didn't have red lips until he put on lipstick (not quite canon, but at least there's precedent).

And it'd be more realistic too. If you accept that a guy's hair and skin would change color due to chemicals (not unreasonable), it would seem that all his skin, including that on his lips, would be turned white. So, it seems to me that the hair and skin were the original deformations, prompting him to notice "hey, I kinda look like a clown now. Let's add the finishing touch".



Anyway, about the pic. What I'm noticing is not the "cut smile" that people seem to be calling it, but rather a scar that happens to be next to his mouth. So what I anticipate is that when he actually smiles that Ledgeriffic smile of his, the scar will highlight the stretching and creasing of his face in such a way that the smile will look extra freaky and evil, without actually deforming the mouth itself.

I'm looking forward to it.


Except I really hope the Joker isn't a human panda bear. Those eyes better be a result of lighting, and not his actual look.

 

[StorminNorman]

The Joker IS stealing money from the bank accounts of top Gotham gangsters.

Perhaps he's noticed Dent's name on a few of the reciepts.....

Harvey Dent doesn't deal with Gangsters.

Or Gangstas, Bruce Banner

 

[Cobblepot]

I really like the way Nolan is persuing this. If he did think about all this, I have enough confidence to say that TDK wil be the best batman film eveh.

As stated before, Tragicpast can only refer to the Joker's past wich is and should far more tragic than any of us can imagine.
-Childabuse / neglect / humiliated you name it. It all adds up.

 

[Steelsheen]

Except I really hope the Joker isn't a human panda bear. Those eyes better be a result of lighting, and not his actual look.

now that you mentioned it, yeah he does look like a panda that ate red beets.

 

[Cobblepot]

I really want to see what they have instore for Two-Face, after seeing The Joker disfigured like this!
To bad we'll have to wait another 3 or 4 years.

 

[TheBatman072]

Harvey Dent doesn't deal with Gangsters.

Or Gangstas, Bruce Banner

Exactly. Screw Big Bad Harv.

 

[bunk]

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[bunk]

1. The most obvious is the drastically new marketing campaign Warner Bros. is implementing here. Drawings from the very successful viral campaigns such as IHeartBees for Halo, the duo of IBelieveInHarveyDent and IBelieveInHarveyDentToo looks to be the start of a very active, entertaining and most importantly successful campaign. The fact that there is 400+ days left before TDK comes out, and we now have three websites and a huge revelation tells me that Warner Bros. looks to wipe out the bitter tastes left in Batfans mouths about the marketing of Batman Begins.

I don't know, we'll see how well they market this film. I definitely like this approach but let's face it, it's only successful with people like us on SHH who are already paying attention. The average joe doesn't even know Heath Ledger is playing the Joker. I'm impressed so far, but all this is meaningless if '08 comes around and the public isn't getting that "Spiderman" vibe if you know what I mean.

 

[Lucius Cipher]

Harvey Dent doesn't deal with Gangsters.

Or Gangstas, Bruce Banner

His name is David Banner. And quit your complaining, they just said he auditioned for the role.....

 

[Dirt Like Me]

3. Harvey Dent. I feel as if this site may be a sign that we may get a Harvey Dent with a dark side. I have made my position well known on the issue - I prefer a Harvey Dent who has no evident dark side. This comment though about peeling away Harvey's skin tells me that the Joker knows, or atleast strongly suspects, that Harvey has a side he hides from everyone. It will be interesting to see how this is done in not only the movie - but perhaps hinted at during the IBelieveInHarveyDent viral campaign.

I've said it in other threads but personally I think that a lawyer who takes an oath to uphold the Constitution but then throws in with a vigilante would have to have some kind of dark side. Not necessarily a split personality, but he isn't squeaky clean once he does that. It would be a source of inner conflict, too. Pushing him toward the edge that he falls off of when he gets scarred.

As for why the Joker believes in Dent? Maybe it's because in TDK they're both taking down the mafia. Harvey's prosecuting people and the Joker's killing them. Every mobster that Dent convicts is one less obstacle for the Joker.

 

[Hobodeluxe]

This film should be "R" rated and no holds barred.
God I would love to have a Batman movie that wasn't a 2 hour toy commercial.

Begins was a start but it held back. We need a sick,sadistic Joker and that'll be hard to do and keep a PG rating.

 

[sasquatchs]

I've said it in other threads but personally I think that a lawyer who takes an oath to uphold the Constitution but then throws in with a vigilante would have to have some kind of dark side. Not necessarily a split personality, but he isn't squeaky clean once he does that. It would be a source of inner conflict, too. Pushing him toward the edge that he falls off of when he gets scarred.

Agreed. Dent should begin with noble intentions that are perverted in his lust for justice and frustration at the system. So now Joker's chaos and Dent's fall are both partially Batman's fault.

 

[Anita18]

Agreed. Dent should begin with noble intentions that are perverted in his lust for justice and frustration at the system. So now Joker's chaos and Dent's fall are both partially Batman's fault.

In TLH Bruce inadvertently helps create Two-Face. Harvey tries to charge Bruce with receiving money from Falcone and doing favors for him (since he's desperate for something, anything that would help him in his case), but the jury lets him go free. Harvey has already convinced himself that Bruce must have been in on it, that when the acquittal comes in, he's completely defeated at how the system of "his peers" allowed Bruce back to high society and distance himself from the real work that people like Harvey were doing to better Gotham. "Heads he wins; tails I lose." This is where he makes his first coin toss.

 

[wikum]

as I've said before, the joker could suspect that dent is batman and scar him as revenge for the gash.

If Joker has to scar Harv then I really like this idea.

 

[Phenomenal_1]

This film should be "R" rated and no holds barred.
God I would love to have a Batman movie that wasn't a 2 hour toy commercial.

Begins was a start but it held back. We need a sick,sadistic Joker and that'll be hard to do and keep a PG rating.

While I would LOVE to see that happen, odds are it won't. Batman is to Warners what Spider-Man is to Sony, it's the franchise player. Not to mention WB is banking on TDK as their summer blockbuster for '08, so PG-13 is what we will probably end up with.

However, a TDK: Directors Cut DVD would give us all the goodies that they couldn't show in theaters.

 

[ronzpeed]

The first thing I noticed was that the "Dent" in "I Believe in Harvey Dent" is written over by "Too", so it now says "I Believe in Harvey Too". It's like the Joker already knows about his other personality.

Another thing is that we all know that Nolan always has unexpected twists and surprises at the end of each movie. So this got me thinking, what if by the final act of the movie, we find out that Dent has a secret alliance with the Joker, and that the Joker has another alliance with Maroni that Dent is not aware of.

 

[Closerframe]

^ Good point it does make sense "I Believe in Harvey Too" but wouldnt it be Harvey Two

 

[RemixSprites]

Except I really hope the Joker isn't a human panda bear.

Ladies and gentlemen, we have cracked the code.

Nolan said we would get something different and we have. Heath Ledger is not The Joker. He is The Panda.

 

[ronzpeed]

^ Good point it does make sense "I Believe in Harvey Too" but wouldnt it be Harvey Two

It would be too obvious.

 

[Bond]

as I've said before, the joker could suspect that dent is batman and scar him as revenge for the gash.

Whoaa!

I like that idea.

I can just picture the Joker barging into Dent's office, pulling out a knife, and just goes crazy stabbing it into Dent's face.

Kinda like that picnic scene from the new "Zodiac" movie.

 

[Dirt Like Me]

Whoaa!

I like that idea.

I can just picture the Joker barging into Dent's office, pulling out a knife, and just goes crazy stabbing it into Dent's face.

Kinda like that picnic scene from the new "Zodiac" movie.

I'm kind of ambivalent about the Joker scarring Dent. I don't hate the idea completely, provided it serves a story purpose; but I'd prefer Maroni.

But no matter who does it, I want it to happen in the courtroom, with acid. The acid makes the one-sided scarring more plausible, and the courtroom would is the perfect place for a DA to hit the bottom.

 

[Agentsands77]

I'm kind of ambivalent about the Joker scarring Dent. I don't hate the idea completely, provided it serves a story purpose; but I'd prefer Maroni.

But no matter who does it, I want it to happen in the courtroom, with acid. The acid makes the one-sided scarring more plausible, and the courtroom would is the perfect place for a DA to hit the bottom.

Agreed about the courtroom setting, but really, I think the one-sided scarring is most plausible with a knife. That comment of the Joker's about "peeling back the layers of the face" could indicate something like that (or it could just be a cool comment to match the pixel thingy, but who knows?).

 

[Crook]

Agreed about the courtroom setting, but really, I think the one-sided scarring is most plausible with a knife. That comment of the Joker's about "peeling back the layers of the face" could indicate something like that (or it could just be a cool comment to match the pixel thingy, but who knows?).

Why can't we just leave the acid be. Is it too unrealistic now?

 

[Dirt Like Me]

Agreed about the courtroom setting, but really, I think the one-sided scarring is most plausible with a knife. That comment of the Joker's about "peeling back the layers of the face" could indicate something like that (or it could just be a cool comment to match the pixel thingy, but who knows?).

Yeah, I wondered about the "peeling back" line, too.

And with the acid, I just think it's easy to picture somebody recoiling away from what's being flung at him and only getting it on one side. I can't really imagine a scenario with a knife that would give that effect, unless it was a case where Harvey was tied down to something. What did you have in mind?

 

[Keyser Sushi]

Except I really hope the Joker isn't a human panda bear. Those eyes better be a result of lighting, and not his actual look.

But there's precedent for that, too:

Notice the bags under his eyes?

You notice the "panda" affect here: