Birds of Prey BoP Box Office Thread

[Invader Joker]

Ford v. Ferrari was made to be nominated for awards which it did, and it wasn't meant to create spin-offs and sequels which this film is, not to mention that film probably spent way less on marketing. It's a really, really bad framing and comparison to use because the studios most definitely don't use it.
Comic book movies are also treated differently because they make way more money.

 

[Invader Joker]

*I suppose something akin to what's presented in the movie Lucy could be 1 example of added abilities through other areas of the mind being opened up. In the world of Gotham (not the real world) this perhaps holds up. The Batman comics don't touch on this but it's probably safe to say there's some sort of mental and physical transformation that happens due to the chemical vats she fell into not to mention the Joker frying her brain. Slightly enhanced physical abilities I think can be inferenced as well (physically quick, thinking many steps ahead, utilizing the environment around her, and skillsets she's continuously soaking up like a sponge).

*She's obviously picked up a lot of after turning into Harley Quinn and discovering what she's able to do while gaining skill sets in the process.

*Different renditions of the character have been done. Unlike Typhoid Mary in Daredevil where she has certain personalities Harley is commonly depicted as being set with 1 altered personality after her makeover.

Well, then she is a metahuman. Which if they made explicit I'd have no problem with, heck, it'd explain certain things like why the hell they use her in the Suicide Squad, my problem is that they haven't made it explicit. And to some extent I question the narrative or character value on making her that way, as I think it'd be more interesting if they explored her as an actual serious, psychologically complex criminal instead of a Looney Toons cartoon. I'm not interested on Lady Deadpool, I'm just not.
But whatever, these characters will live on forever, I have no doubt that at some point I'll get the incarnation I'd find interesting, heck, there are already signs of that with the Harleen comic and the Sean Murphy rendition of her.

 

[Erik20]

That's exactly what some have said, even though WW did great numbers and most guys liked it, and Black Widow will likely cross $1B.

Who was the target audience? And did McGregor saying "this is a feminist film" hurt?

Well at least it's not the director saying it...(yet) And yeah, I'm sure Black Widow will do great, as will the second WW movie

 

[MadVillainy]

Yeah the Ford v Ferrari comparison, while not bad at first glance, isn't good in the end. I agree with Invader Joker

Ford v Ferrari probably spent less marketing, wasn't made to sell merch, wasn't made to set up subsequent movies. And usually movies that don't make a lot of money also don't sell that much merch or follow up movies

Most SH movies are meant to be money makers

I think the thing we need to focus on stopping with the conspiracy theories and thinking everyone has an agenda to get CBMs

 

[JC00]

$33.3m is the OW, that's only $7m more than Josh Trank's terrible F4, No way could someone tell me this was gonna have almost as little interest as that. I was thinking 45-50m

 

[Micromind]

Ford v. Ferrari was made to be nominated for awards which it did, and it wasn't meant to create spin-offs and sequels which this film is, not to mention that film probably spent way less on marketing. It's a really, really bad framing and comparison to use because the studios most definitely don't use it.
Comic book movies are also treated differently because they make way more money.

Look at John Wick 2, it was released in Feb 2017 and had a budget of $40M, and it was R rated.

John Wick 2 has a opening of $30 M.

And, having merch actually goes in favor of BoP as many people buy Harley Quinn merch, which would help get some revenue and soften the impact of less than stellar Box Office.

 

[Invader Joker]

Look at John Wick 2, it was released in Feb and had a budget of $40M.

And, having merch actually goes in favor of BoP as many people buy Harley Quinn merch, which would help get some revenue and soften the impact of less than stellar Box Office.

I'm pretty sure merch is a different expense from budget and handled by a different division, unless it's part of marketing.
Also... eh, yeah, John Wick 2 had a budget of 40 million, which is half the budget of this film and it most likely also spent way less on marketing, not a good comparison either.

 

[MadVillainy]

Yeah the John Wick 2 comparisons aren't good either.

I don't know exactly what to compare this to though

 

[Micromind]

I'm pretty sure merch is a different expense from budget and handled by a different division, unless it's part of marketing.
Also... eh, yeah, John Wick 2 had a budget of 40 million, which is half the budget of this film and it most likely also spent way less on marketing, not a good comparison either.

Same company (WB) gets the profits from merch sales (they license it to toy companies who have to share the percentage of profits earned.). Not sure why it has to be treated separately, those merch are specifically tied with movie's merch.

Edit My point was no one said that the opening JW2 got was disastrous as in the long run the movie made back 4.275 times it's production budget, opening week is not the end of Box Office, if the movie can leg it out.

 

[MadVillainy]

Same company (WB) gets the profits from merch sales (they license it to toy companies who have to share the percentage of profits earned.). Not sure why it has to be treated separately, those merch are specifically tied with movie's merch.

Edit My point was no one said that the opening JW2 got was disastrous as in the long run the movie made back 4.275 times it's production budget, opening week is not the end of Box Office, if the movie can leg it out.

They said it wasn't disastrous because opening weekend John Wick 2 made a ~75% of it's production budget back...
John Wick 2 grossed 30 mill OW on a production budget of 40 mill. That's different than grossing 35 mill OW on a 85-100 mill production budget.

BoP could for sure have legs. But the John Wick 2 point is silly

 

[Micromind]

Tomb Raider had even lower Opening at $23M, it had similar budget $94M and it didn't do well in US markets but was saved by International collections. We have to wait and see how BoP does in few weeks.

 

[MadVillainy]

For sure, we have to wait and see. I've rarely heard a bad thing about the movie from movie goers
But TR opened to 84 mill overseas (largely thanks to China), BOP opened to half that and unfortunately doesn't have China

EDIT: Christ I forgot how much the new Box Office Mojo sucks

 

[Zarex]

Edit My point was no one said that the opening JW2 got was disastrous as in the long run the movie made back 4.275 times it's production budget, opening week is not the end of Box Office, if the movie can leg it out.

It's all about expectations. BOPATFEOOHQ gets dinged by analysts and other opinionated types because it failed to meet its BO tracking, which was in the $40-$60 range. I believe the estimates for JW2 and FvF were either met or exceeded, so the narrative regarding those two were less negative.

And fair or not, comic book movies have become vital components to the BO strategies of AT&T, Disney, Sony and (formerly) FOX. When one doesn't meet expectations and fails to generate interest in sequels, spin-offs and at least one affiliated streaming series it's seen as a losing effort.

 

[Micromind]

If you guys want to see how a flop looks then look at Overall collections

Look at the Budget $185 M

Again, Look at Budget $144M, then look at collections.

 

[MadVillainy]

This is starting to come across like "I know you are, but what am I" and "But what about _____"

EDIT: Actually barely anyone in this thread are calling it a "flop" anyway

 

[Micromind]

No, I think some people want to club BoP with flop movies like Charlie's Angels, Ghostbusters (2016) and Terminator Dark Fate (2019) when it's not looking anything like them. (at least to me)

Edit: Comparisons not on these boards, but elsewhere on I'net.

 

[writer0327]

If you guys want to see how a flop looks then look at Overall collections

Look at the Budget $185 M

Again, Look at Budget $144M, then look at collections.

All female centric films too. Something tells me the current climate is causing "message movies" to get knocked down a peg. And I don't think this film is even that blatantly feminist like McGregor said, but he put it out there and I think it might have hurt it.

 

[Iceman]

Had a quick look at the bot forum for international so it’s something like 35M OS so something like 70M WW, will rely on the second holiday weekend to give it a boost, will struggle to get 200M.

They will probably have to rethink the plan going forward, maybe GCS with a big name for Ivy (Ana post 007?) and try to get Zoe as Catwoman, have the Batgirl solo, and finish with GCS vs BOP including Batgirl.

I think Batgirl and Catwoman are the ones that will draw the mainstream, they definitely need to get Reeves’ Batman cast or Bruce himself for some cameos or support to bump the financial side of things to make it sustainable long term.

Some saying MEW and J for the HbOMax series now, that’s possible if they get anything at all, because their solos or even team up films are not happening, unless they have a popular Batgirl there, Oracle’s probably not enough, or if you get Emma Stone as the older Oracle, that might have some publicity.

Black Canary might have a better chance if paired with Arrow, since he’s got his own tv show so there is some awareness there, but the hardcore feminists will start hacking this, like the hardcore anti-feminists did for BOP, but mainstream still holds the key so...that’s one way to go, maybe if they can achieve other films with good profits first.

HQ/BoP might just get a sequel/spin off thanks to Margot, like Tomb Raider with Alicia, but pressure will be on to actually profit off the bat

I'm still well up for a GCS vs BoP with Batgirl and Catwoman. Emma Stone as the older Oracle sounds amazing.

 

[MahvelBaby!]

I hope this doesn't affect the Suicide Squad

I hated the original Suicide Squad and that was a big part (along with the marketing looking pretty bad imo) with my not being excited to see this.

 

[MahvelBaby!]

All female centric films too. Something tells me the current climate is causing "message movies" to get knocked down a peg. And I don't think this film is even that blatantly feminist like McGregor said, but he put it out there and I think it might have hurt it.

Man I really don't think so look at all the heat Brie Larson was getting for her "woke" comments and in the end the audience saw through that.

 

[NHawk19]

Ok so if I've got this straight

Budget $85
To date WW $81.

Assuming 50% back to WB on the WW take it's made about half it's production budget back in 3 days.

It's R-rated and has decent, but not glowing reviews. Also Sonic is coming out for the families and nostalgia seekers. After Sonice the next tentpole and/or Super Hero movie isn't really until 3/27/20 with Mulan, then Bond 4/10/20, followed by Black Widow 5/1/20 and the full on Summer season.

With 15 more weeks to go in release I'm guessing this will make back it's budget and even a little more, given the room it has and the fact that it has decent reviews. It's just not the slam dunk they thought they had. WB/DC just can't seem to understand what they need to do to move beyond blah and average.

It'll be interesting to see what happens to Gunn's Suicide Squad, and The Batman. Though after Guardians they may leave Gunn alone-ish.

 

[Sithborg]

If it can find its legs, I can see a modest box office. Future Harley movies may depend on Gunn's Suicide Squad movie, sadly. Though, as damaging as it could be to the character, I don't see it being quite as bad as the original Suicide Squad, which I think this movie is definitely paying for.

 

[DlAMONDZ]

I'm still well up for a GCS vs BoP with Batgirl and Catwoman. Emma Stone as the older Oracle sounds amazing.

If GCS still happens WB will no doubt mandate a PG rating. No way they entertain the idea of an R rating again

 

[-JKR-]

Ok so if I've got this straight

Budget $85
To date WW $81.

Assuming 50% back to WB on the WW take it's made about half it's production budget back in 3 days.

It's R-rated and has decent, but not glowing reviews. Also Sonic is coming out for the families and nostalgia seekers. After Sonice the next tentpole and/or Super Hero movie isn't really until 3/27/20 with Mulan, then Bond 4/10/20, followed by Black Widow 5/1/20 and the full on Summer season.

With 15 more weeks to go in release I'm guessing this will make back it's budget and even a little more, given the room it has and the fact that it has decent reviews. It's just not the slam dunk they thought they had. WB/DC just can't seem to understand what they need to do to move beyond blah and average.

It'll be interesting to see what happens to Gunn's Suicide Squad, and The Batman. Though after Guardians they may leave Gunn alone-ish.

I found this to be MUCH less blah and average than plenty of Marvel Studios movies. Sorry to go there, but most of the MCU are given are free pass just because, even when they're the very epitome of mediocre and bland.

 

[Anonymous1213]

Ford v. Ferrari was made to be nominated for awards which it did, and it wasn't meant to create spin-offs and sequels which this film is, not to mention that film probably spent way less on marketing. It's a really, really bad framing and comparison to use because the studios most definitely don't use it.
Comic book movies are also treated differently because they make way more money.

Ford vs Ferrari is also an adult skewing drama and those behave completely different at the box office than comic book movies do.