Birds of Prey BoP Box Office Thread

[MahvelBaby!]

How much do you think a Chinese release would have helped overall?

 

[I Am The Knight]

See, I hear a lot of folks saying Wonder Woman 1984 will break a billion, and yeah, I'm excited for that film, but for some reason, I don't see it reaching that threshold. That or I don't see where that confidence comes from. If I end up being wrong, that's perfectly fine, but I just feel like at best it could reach 900 million, and even that would be topping what the first film made.

Don't know how competitive the summer is next year- granted there's no Endgame to take the wind out of everyone else's sails- but again, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

Same here. The film looks good but I'm not sure if the film will have the massive appeal to reach that milestone, despite people generally loving WW. So yeah 900 million tops is what I'm thinking right now (which is freaking great).

I think Black Widow will make a billion because people are starved for the next MCU film.

 

[Legendver2]

Same here. The film looks good but I'm not sure if the film will have the massive appeal to reach that milestone, despite people generally loving WW. So yeah 900 million tops is what I'm thinking right now (which is freaking right).

I think Black Widow will make a billion because people are starved for the next MCU film.

I think there's just too much time in between the 2 WW films to keep momentum going enough to break the $1b mark. Especially with movie franchises moving as fast as they are nowadays, a 3 year gap feels like a decade. Most sequels in ongoing franchises nowadays pump out an installment in 2 years, and some cases if they milk it and go the part 1/part 2 route, in one year. And unlike Marvel, where even films taht get the 3 year gap, there is usually a highly successful ensemble film in between to keep the characters relevant and keep momentum going. JL basically came out the same year as WW, and it bombed hard. So we'll be over 2.5 years in between without WW in our radars by the time this movie comes out. They better ramp up that marketing before June if they want a shot at $1b.

 

[writer0327]

I'm not necessarily confident that any movie this year will gross over $1B and would have varying degrees of surprise depending on which one does. Even last year's 9 releases that grossed over $1B, I was only surprised with Captain Marvel, Aladdin, Joker & Far From Home.

Same. I think it will come down to word of mouth with DC films moving forward, and also finding the right audience for the film. BOP is hurting with that R rating.

 

[writer0327]

How much do you think a Chinese release would have helped overall?

You'd have to assume China would have been worth at the very least $30M.

 

[Greenlite]

How much do you think a Chinese release would have helped overall?

Literally zilch thanks to what's becoming apparent a man-made virus that leaked and incident concealed for months.

But if that didn't happen, not sure how the Chinese would have taken it, they liked Venom, and probably would have loved SS with Will Smith in it, and Mandarin press refer to Margot as "Joker Girl" so that's good awareness there, but a street girl gang film without Smith, Batman and no Chinese stars in it, hard to tell, probably not much unless you have extravagant CGI?

Joaquin's Joker would have made banks though, they love him there

But remember you only take about 1/4 of the box office from China and you don't make money of merchanizing there

 

[Greenlite]

To be honest IMO Wonder Woman's coming out with fire, unless it gets a SS type RT to change the conversation. The 3 year gap is fine, because she appeared in JL a few months after her solo, so it's really 2.5 years, and it's only a few months later the promotion started, Trevor's picture, Max Lord, the title etc, then we had the trailer and Gal has been on various magazines/perfume products etc in the last few years, and now the marketing is going up a gear and we are less than 4 months from the release!

International awareness of WW will be much stronger this time, and stigma of DC is less now, and the film looks like family friendly fun your grandma will take your granddaughters to....did I mention it'll still have long legs too, since the female/family demo will still be stronger than usual superhero films.

So I expect a minimum of 900M globally, and it SHOULD crack a billion (450/550M DOM/OS split)

 

[jmc]

If WW didn't make a billion (which I would've bet money that it wouldve) I don't think that WW84 will

WW was coming out on the back of the **** show that was both BvS and SS. No-one thought that film was going to make that much money. The fact it made over $800m+ on the back of those turkeys frankly shows how well liked the film is. Not to mention it didn't perform like traditional superhero films. Its week to week drops were insanely low.

 

[MadVillainy]

I think there's just too much time in between the 2 WW films to keep momentum going enough to break the $1b mark. Especially with movie franchises moving as fast as they are nowadays, a 3 year gap feels like a decade. Most sequels in ongoing franchises nowadays pump out an installment in 2 years, and some cases if they milk it and go the part 1/part 2 route, in one year. And unlike Marvel, where even films taht get the 3 year gap, there is usually a highly successful ensemble film in between to keep the characters relevant and keep momentum going. JL basically came out the same year as WW, and it bombed hard. So we'll be over 2.5 years in between without WW in our radars by the time this movie comes out. They better ramp up that marketing before June if they want a shot at $1b.

I think Wondy will be fine in that regard, but I agree. The standard 3 year wait between appearances of characters (I'm including crossovers and such) is way too long. You gotta keep the momentum going which kinda sucks

 

[Legendver2]

If WW didn't make a billion (which I would've bet money that it wouldve) I don't think that WW84 will

Lol Every sequel that made a billion came from a previous installment that didn't. BB > TDK, TF2 > TF3, F6 > F7, etc. The previous installment not making $1b is hardly an indication of a sequel's earning potential.

 

[MadVillainy]

Lol Every sequel that made a billion came from a previous installment that didn't. BB > TDK, TF2 > TF3, F6 > F7, etc. The previous installment not making $1b is hardly an indication of a sequel's earning potential.

That's not what I meant.
I meant unless it's a lot better than WW, which was very well loved, I don't think WW84 will unless it's received way better than WW. Next level stuff. Which is a difficult task.
Per your comparisons.
TDK is next level compared to the classic BB
TF3 was next level comapred to TF2
Furious 7 they literally dropped cars from an airplane and then had a set piece where a car jumped between buildings. Next level

However I won't be surprised if it does make a billion. But if I had to put money on it now? I'd say no

 

[TheScarecrow]

That's not what I meant.
I meant unless it's a lot better than WW, which was very well loved, I don't think WW84 will unless it's received way better than WW. Next level stuff. Which is a difficult task.
Per your comparisons.
TDK is next level compared to the classic BB
TF3 was next level comapred to TF2
Furious 7 they literally dropped cars from an airplane and then had a set piece where a car jumped between buildings. Next level

However I won't be surprised if it does make a billion. But if I had to put money on it now? I'd say no

It will make a billion because WW was so loved. Equally, BOP probably didn’t make what it should have because SS so not loved.

 

[MadVillainy]

It will make a billion because WW was so loved. Equally, BOP probably didn’t make what it should have because SS so not loved.

Deadpool was loved. Deadpool 2 didn't make a billion.

 

[Greenlite]

to be fair WW84 doesn't have to be a better film than the first one to make more or crack a billion....it's all about packaging and hype, e.g Xmen last stand, Spiderman 3, the fact other studios got out of the way is an indication of the expectation of this film....

 

[Greenlite]

 

[Yowza]

I was looking through the comments and saw this reply but not sure how accurate it is...


Could someone living in the Britain area verify what the rating is for Birds of Prey over there? British Board of Film Classification

If you live in another country as well please share what the rating is there too.

 

[Greenlite]

I was looking through the comments and saw this reply but not sure how accurate it is...


Could someone living in the Britain area verify what the rating is for Birds of Prey over there? British Board of Film Classification

If you live in another country as well please share what the rating is there too.

I am in New Zealand it’s definitely R16

But maybe they edit it in Indonesia and Singapore etc? It’s compulsory in China, so maybe there are countries like that

 

[Predator jp]

it's not R-rated here in Japan.

 

[Greenlite]

it's not R-rated here in Japan.

Are people going to cinemas as usual at the moment over there?

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I was looking through the comments and saw this reply but not sure how accurate it is...


Could someone living in the Britain area verify what the rating is for Birds of Prey over there? British Board of Film Classification

If you live in another country as well please share what the rating is there too.

Here in the UK it's certificate is a 15 rather than an 18.

 

[Micromind]

Tbh, I was expecting this to do well in US domestic market than at overseas market. But it's International collections will be affected by the virus outbreak, so that's unfortunate as it is doing better there than in US.


US audience it seems, don't rush to see a cbm unless it's Marvel.

 

[OroroGambitFan]

While I don’t disagree with anything here, I think the main problem is the framing that there’s a problem. Comic book movies get treated differently by Hollywood and the film trades. You know what else cost $97 million to make and made $31.4 million on its opening weekend? Ford V. Ferrari. Almost exactly the same numbers as BoP, but if you go back and look at Deadline then, there’s no “Ford V. Ferrari hits the wall” or “blows a gasket” headlines or anything like that. Instead, it’s heralded as a major success.

‘Ford v Ferrari’ Wins Box Office With $31M+, ‘Charlie’s Angels’ Fails With $8M – Deadline

BoP makes the same numbers and it’s a train wreck. Why? Well, because comic book films aren’t seen as having any artistic value (remember, they’ve not “cinema”!). And the coverage reflects that. Ford V. Ferrari is allowed to be a financial dud because it’s deemed a work of art, “the kind of film Hollywood doesn’t make any more,” etc. BoP’s only job In Hollywood’s eyes was to make money, and since it won’t, or only make very little relatively speaking, it’s a flop.

I think we as fans get caught up in this framing because a film making lots of money is the easiest way to validate what we like. But we shouldn’t; we’re adopting the framing of people who hate what we like. We need to stop doing this.

I don't think it's nearly that simple! Ford vs. Farari hit the numbers the studio projected they would foe the wknd, it actually exceeded some estimates. Harley.... on the other hand doesn't exist in a vacuum, it's part of a series of movies and we have easy comparisons. So whether we're talking R-rated comic movies like Logan or the Deadpool's or if we're simply talking WB comic movies --or even The DCEU more specifically and by all those measures it came up way short. Even by WBs own studio estimates of 50 million. The problem isn't everyone else, let's be honest and admit the problem is the weak opening numbers plain and simple

 

[Jonwo]

I don't think it's nearly that simple! Ford vs. Farari hit the numbers the studio projected they would foe the wknd, it actually exceeded some estimates. Harley.... on the other hand doesn't exist in a vacuum, it's part of a series of movies and we have easy comparisons. So whether we're talking R-rated comic movies like Logan or the Deadpool's or if we're simply talking WB comic movies --or even The DCEU more specifically and by all those measures it came up way short. Even by WBs own studio estimates of 50 million. The problem isn't everyone else, let's be honest and admit the problem is the weak opening numbers plain and simple

FvF isn't a fair comparison as while it was expensive, it was an awards contender and quite frankly, James Mangold had already made Fox a lot of money with Logan that they could take a punt on his riskier project.

 

[OroroGambitFan]

Just reading through this thread, can we please stop with the "no one asked for this movie" thing. I've seen it a few times on here. It's so dumb and not why a movie fails

It's about feeding a demand. When Doolittle came out and didn't hit their numbers you kept hearing that phrase, "no one asked for that movie" and I think it's a fair statement especially in that instance. So I wouldn't recact so strongly to people saying that... No one did ask for this movie --- sometime s we want movies we didn't even know we wanted, not sure if that's the case for BOP. This wknd the picture will become a lot more clear.

 

[Predator jp]

Are people going to cinemas as usual at the moment over there?

sure, business as usual.