Boston Marathon Terror Attack - Part 3

[squeekness]

Yes. She's an angry, *****y jihadi sympathizer.

Who knows what she was told to make her so. People like that are not born, someone or something made them that way. We just don't know what that is.

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

Charles Manson chose smart people from good homes, finding creative ways to sucker them in. I do wonder about this Misha person. The moms aid he opened their eyes to "trueIslam". I think this guy found some nominal Muslims that he could tell a distorted truth to, just like David Koresh did to his own followers, getting them to do things they never would have otherwise.

I think you're trying too hard to rationalize the actions of a complete sociopath.

 

[squeekness]

I think you're trying too hard to rationalize the actions of a complete sociopath.

We're these people diagnosed as such, or are you assuming they were? Just because they did something horrible doesn't mean they have to mentally insane.

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

This is what baffles me about both brothers, because they looked to be so well off, yet they did something stupid and lost it all. You never expect people who have things fairly well to go out and do something like this.

Honestly, Tamerlan and his puke brother have much more in common with the spree-shooters like Holmes and Lanza than they do with the Taliban in Afghanistan. They're just more disaffected, sociopathic youths with American upbringings. The radical Islamic influence is an excuse, not the catalyst.

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

We're these people diagnosed as such, or are you assuming they were? Just because they did something horrible doesn't mean they have to mentally insane.

Sociopaths are not mentally insane. Different things.

 

[squeekness]

Sociopaths are not mentally insane. Different things.

Sociopaths cannot empathize with other people. Isn't that a defect? I don't know if someone can be made that way that didn't have a tendency already...

 

[Victarion]

I haven't seen the mom empathizing with the deceased; only excuses. I have no empathy for her.

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

Sociopaths cannot empathize with other people. Isn't that a defect? I don't know if someone can be made that way that didn't have a tendency already...

When people use the insanity defense it's because they're not fully cognizant of their actions. The brothers were very aware of their actions. It's not the same thing. It is a mental defect, but that's not the same as being insane. Do I know for sure they're sociopaths? No, but consider it an educated guess considering they placed bombs by the feet of kids watching a marathon.

 

[squeekness]

I haven't seen the mom empathizing with the deceased; only excuses. I have no empathy for her.

I have empathy for her because I am a mom and she has lost her sons, but that doesn't mean I condone what she may have done and that she shouldn't be punished for any crime she may have done. I just wonder what was said to this family to make them all behave in such an irrational way is all. What turned them?

 

[Schlosser85]

Honestly, Tamerlan and his puke brother have much more in common with the spree-shooters like Holmes and Lanza than they do with the Taliban in Afghanistan. They're just more disaffected, sociopathic youths with American upbringings. The radical Islamic influence is an excuse, not the catalyst.

I agree with this.

The fact that they were nominal pseudo-Muslims is almost beside the point, IMO.

 

[C. Lee]

I just wonder what was said to this family to make them all behave in such an irrational way is all.

It definately wasn't - do unto others as you wish done unto you.

 

[squeekness]

It definately wasn't - do unto others as you wish done unto you.

Of that we are in agreement.

 

[Thundercrack85]

While there obviously really are sociopaths, you don't have to be a sociopath to be an *******.

It is rather disturbing though that someone can apparently go from being nice, and laid back guy (according to people who knew him) to a terrorist who blows up children.

I guess it only makes sense if you're a religious fanatic.

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

While there obviously really are sociopaths, you don't have to be a sociopath to be an *******.

I'd recommend an article by a sociologist who divided spree-shooters into 3 catagories; (1) sociopaths (Eric Harris, Jason Holmes) are completely aware of their actions and can execute them in a cold and calculating fashion while not being technically insane (2) paranoid schizophrenics (Seung-Hui Cho, Jared Lee Loughner) who are no longer in touch with reality and believe the world is against them and (3) suicidally depressed dependents, who are usually second fiddles to the sociopathic masterminds they follow and desperately seek the approval of (Dylan Klebold, Lee Boyd Malvo and possibly Tamerlan's little brother). I think there's no doubt Tamerlan is a sociopath. A person with empathy can't just walk through a marathon crowded with kids and civilians and place a pressure-cooker bomb. Religion doesn't change someone that much, especially when they're immersed in the culture and interact with the people here and see them in social settings every day. Tamerlan's brother might be (3) or he could be (1) himself as well. 1 in 25 people are sociopaths and there's probably something of an inherited genetic code there, so it's not that unlikely they're both defective.

It is rather disturbing though that someone can apparently go from being nice, and laid back guy (according to people who knew him) to a terrorist who blows up children.

One of the trademark characteristics of sociopaths is their ability to camouflage into normal company and appear charming and sympathetic. They're good at faking emotions and adapting to social situations, sometimes appearing even better adjusted than normal people since they're never wracked with self-doubt or guilt.

I guess it only makes sense if you're a religious fanatic.

I would argue most domestic terrorists are sociopaths, and despite the wishes of FOXNews that he'd turn out to be part of some shadowy international cell, Tamerlan was a domestic terrorist, not an international one. The foot-soldiers of the Taliban might not be sociopaths (though I'm sure some are) because they see their fight against the Americans as a "holy war" against faceless foreigners and infidels and do not interact with us on a daily basis. Growing up in madrassas they would also be more susceptable to propaganda. But anyone who bombs people he interacts with on a daily basis and feels no regret for has something missing up there already. The radicalization process merely provides a target for those existing homicidal tendencies as opposed to creating them.

Just my analysis. Take it for what it's worth.

 

[redhawk23]

Making assumptions that they are sociopaths is just away of distancing oneself from the unfortunate truth that normal people are capable of awful things.

 

[terry78]

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout...ston-marathon-bombing-suspects-151027478.html

Three more suspects now in custody.

 

[NickNitro]

Making assumptions that they are sociopaths is just away of distancing oneself from the unfortunate truth that normal people are capable of awful things.

I'm pretty sure doctors/psychologists will disagree with you that people who commit mass murders are "normal" by any social standards.

 

[ThePhantasm]

"Insanity" is not a medical term, it is a legal term. Even "sociopath" isn't a medical term but rather generally describes two medical disorders: Antisocial personality disorder or Dissocial personality disorder.

 

[JaD]

I'm still curious about how long Dzhokhar was in the boat for, and how far did he actually travel from the shootout the previous night to get there. I don't know if they've given out that information yet.

 

[kane9321]

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout...ston-marathon-bombing-suspects-151027478.html

Three more suspects now in custody.

I figured there had 2 be more people involved....maybe we'll get answers

 

[SpideyVille]

From the sounds of it, those new people in custody are there for possibly helping out the brothers after the bombing, and not necessarily for the planning or execution of it.

 

[JaD]

Yeah I was reading bits of info about obstruction of justice charges and giving false information. But they'll give out more details later.

 

[Duran Man]

And the plot thickens....

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

Don't care if they're just there for helping after the fact. Throw the book at them. Who among us would cover up for a friend if we found out they had set off bombs which killed 3 people, including a kid? I would turn even my best friend in after that.

 

[SpideyVille]

Weren't they foreign exchange students though? I could see them sympathizing with fellow countrymen, not to mention they were probably lied to, so they might not have known what was really going on.