Bought/Thought Dec 26th (Spoilers within)

That's not a problem for me, because I never found him to be relate able. "Oh he was nerdy!" So? He had two hot chicks after his dick, and he married one of them. Seriously, that's not relate able to me at all.:csad: :csad: :csad:

That's just one aspect of Peter Parker. There are other qualities he poses that are relatable other than girls. The fact that he is two girls chasing after is the least thing i think about considering im not one for girls anyway
 
That's totally the kind of nerdy I wanted to be in high school. I got the "he's one of my best friends" sort of nerdy instead. :o

I know dude, I know.:csad:

I don't get it though. How can we trust Slott when he's promoting a story that promotes character regression?

The regression already happened. Alan Moore could be writing Brand New Day and it would be the same thing. Dan Slott wasn't responsible for the regression. That was out of his hands. Now, if you want to take the PJ route and call him a sellout for writing Brand New Day, go ahead. I won't. Because damn, if Marvel offered me the chance to write Deadpool with Rob Liefeld on art, I wouldn't turn it down.:csad:
 
That's just one aspect of Peter Parker. There are other qualities he poses that are relatable other than girls. The fact that he is two girls chasing after is the least thing i think about considering im not one for girls anyway

Like what exactly?
 
I don't get it though. How can we trust Slott when he's promoting a story that promotes character regression?
Because we don't necessarily know that he's promoting it. We know that he's writing the character after said regression, but he could very well be doing everything in his power to minimize the effects of OMD and the problems that it causes. As Phere and others noted, OMD was going forward whether Dan or anyone else objected (although, to be fair, we don't know that anyone did other than JMS, right at the last second), so he could just be playing damage control to preserve the character as much as possible, like a lot of writers after DC's Crises have been.
 
Like trouble with bills, his sick Aunt, juggling several responsibilities. I mean, Pete's a nerd, but he's not a bad looking guy or anything, so it's not a big stretch.
 
The regression already happened. Alan Moore could be writing Brand New Day and it would be the same thing. Dan Slott wasn't responsible for the regression. That was out of his hands. Now, if you want to take the PJ route and call him a sellout for writing Brand New Day, go ahead. I won't. Because damn, if Marvel offered me the chance to write Deadpool with Rob Liefeld on art, I wouldn't turn it down.:csad:
Would you understand if nobody wanted to read it, though? I'd probably post a synopsis on a blog or something so people could still know what was going on without having to look at Liefeld's art. :)
 
I know dude, I know.:csad:



The regression already happened. Alan Moore could be writing Brand New Day and it would be the same thing. Dan Slott wasn't responsible for the regression. That was out of his hands. Now, if you want to take the PJ route and call him a sellout for writing Brand New Day, go ahead. I won't. Because damn, if Marvel offered me the chance to write Deadpool with Rob Liefeld on art, I wouldn't turn it down.:csad:

No, I'm not blaming him. Most of us would probably take the opportunity despite how much we hate OMD. I'm just asking how can we be sure it's even possible to make good stories from this mess. Not only is continuity it's very self in question, but Harry's back from the grave! Mary Jane is a super hero, and Pete is back to the mononous dating scene we've seen 100 times before. Can good stories really come from this?
 
Like what exactly?
well lets see. he got a job at a young age to help support his family, he faces adversity head on, is publicly hated by almost everyone in NYC except for those fortunate enough to be saved by him and still goes on fighting the good fight. he has a strong sense of character and responsibility that pushes him to keep going no matter what. He would not have two girls on his $hit if these qualities did not show through in some way.
 
No, you don't. And you shouldn't. Because then you'd see everything coming around every bend and NOTHING about comics would be surprising, exciting, or entertaining anymore. Before the summits, I LOVED reading each and every issue of my favorite Marvel books-- but now, I know where most of them are going and the stories aren't as fresh for me. But I NEED to know this stuff so I can coordinate what I'm doing in my books-- and provide readers with my best work. That's a hit I take.

It also means that I have to keep my big trap shut and keep everything I know a secret. That's also part of the job. As cool as the backstage pass is-- it's also a double edged sword

I can understand that.

Yes. And I think I've EARNED that trust. Because whatever hints I have dropped about MY up-and-coming stuff-- it's all been 100% TRUE. I might say it in an obscure way, I might try to cleverly turn a phrase and nudge you down the wrong path-- so that you ARE surprised when you get to a big reveal. BUT I HAVE NEVER LIED TO ANY OF YOU. So, yes, you should trust me. Because THAT is part of my track record too.

It's not a question of whether or not you're lying, Dan. It's a question of quality. Bendis was an excellent writer, one who's work I followed very closely. For me, his track record was as good as yours. Is he that same writer today? Hell, no.

Quesada's track record is pretty good, all in all. Does that mean every decision of his is pure gold? Hell, no.

I don't why you think you're any different; like you're incapable of making a bad move.

When it comes to OTHER creators' stories or MARVEL'S major plans-- I can't SPOIL other peoples' work. That's not fair to them. And that would abuse the TRUST they have in me. Do you see a trend here? I think I do a HELL of a job staying in the intersection of keeping MARVEL'S/MARVEL CREATORS' TRUST and TRUST WITH YOU. I think I've comported myself D@MN well in that regard.

So if I tell you to trust me on something, YEAH, I think I've earned it.

Again, as far as honesty, sure, you may have earned that. As far as blind faith, no, you have not earned that. No one does.

Basically, you RIPPED into me for 9 WORDS that were said in an online interview. I have been NOTHING but STRAIGHT FORWARD with you. And all it took was 9 WORDS for you to say I was "ruining Spider-Man", imply that I had NO INTEGRITY, that I'm only in this to "cash checks and keep my belly full". Seriously? You have no idea how much HIGH-paying TV dreck I've been offered to write-- stuff I could totally fit into my schedule if I just started hacking stuff out-- or if just did less LOW-paying comic book work. You think I'm in this for the damn money?! What planet are you on?!

Probably from the same plant you're on. The same one that a writer producing at least two montlies books a year for Marvel can make a pretty decent living.

I totally understand that you are VERY passionate about your comics, especially when a BIG change like this occurs. That's great that you have that much passion about something. And expressing that passion about the characters like-- whether Thor can beat Superman-- that's one thing. Curse and swear and take whatever liberties you want. But expressing that passion in terms of REAL people and casting aspersions onto their VERY REAL character-- THAT is what's bull****, sir! That's *****ed up.

You know what? I apologize. I'm sure you're a great guy, Dan. I honestly do not mean to attack your integrity. I'm venting. People do that. As a person, I'm sure that you've done it. As a fan, I'm sure that you've done it. That said, stop pretending like I'm threatening to eat you mother.

You're supporting something that I can't get behind. I see it as the raping of a great character. I'm lumping you in with all of it because you're a part of it. You can't distance yourself from that. You have to own up to that. You're a part of this horrible disaster.

Expressing my frustrations with that is not "****ed up."

I've been on these boards for some time now. I'd like to think that HOW I've comported myself here has earned me some TRUST. At least enough trust that when I ask you to keep an open mind, that you give ME the benefit of the doubt over your PERSONAL INTERPRETATION of 9 WORDS.

"Nine words"? I'm talking all of OMD and the basic premise for BND. Where are you getting this "nine words" nonsense?

PhotoJones, do you realize how badly you're coming off as the stereotypical comic book fanboy?

A stereotypical would ***** and ***** and still buy the book. I'll not be doing that. :up:

It's real easy to say that when you know that the chances of you ever getting such an opportunity are like .00000001%. Like it's easy to for me to say I would never give a dude a ******* for a $1,000,000,000, but hey who knows right?:huh: :huh: :huh: :csad: :csad: :bh:

I can't apply the situation to my own life? I've had the opportunity to do high profile photography gigs, be it magazine or front page newspaper material. If the gig is interesting or challanging, I'll take it. If not, I won't. Money's not the end all, be all for me; especially when it comes to doing what I like to do. Getting paid for it is just a bonus.
 
No, I'm not blaming him. Most of us would probably take the opportunity despite how much we hate OMD. I'm just asking how can we be sure it's even possible to make good stories from this mess. Not only is continuity it's very self in question, but Harry's back from the grave! Mary Jane is a super hero, and Pete is back to the mononous dating scene we've seen 100 times before. Can good stories really come from this?
Good stories can come from just about anything, and Slott's a talented enough writer to take whatever he's given and make it work somehow. I have no interest in reading the character under those conditions, so I'm not, but I'm sure the many people who're still buying ASM will rave about how Dan took a bad situation and made it tolerable with his humor and all that good stuff.

As Dread, myself, and others have noted, though, I do find it pretty ironic that Dan, the continuity king, is starting off on Spider-Man when the character's continuity is very much malleable and questionable.
 
Like trouble with bills, his sick Aunt, juggling several responsibilities. I mean, Pete's a nerd, but he's not a bad looking guy or anything, so it's not a big stretch.

Meh.

Would you understand if nobody wanted to read it, though? I'd probably post a synopsis on a blog or something so people could still know what was going on without having to look at Liefeld's art. :)

At least the writing would be excellent, right? RIGHT?:csad:

No, I'm not blaming him. Most of us would probably take the opportunity despite how much we hate OMD. I'm just asking how can we be sure it's even possible to make good stories from this mess. Not only is continuity it's very self in question, but Harry's back from the grave! Mary Jane is a super hero, and Pete is back to the mononous dating scene we've seen 100 times before. Can good stories really come from this?

Valid questions. And questions I've asked myself as well. Either way, I'm not buying Brand New Day, so they will never be answered.
 
A stereotypical would ***** and ***** and still buy the book. I'll not be doing that. :up:



I can't apply the situation to my own life? I've had the opportunity to do high profile photography gigs, be it magazine or front page newspaper material. If the gig is interesting or challanging, I'll take it. If not, I won't. Money's not the end all, be all for me; especially when it comes to doing what I like to do. Getting paid for it is just a bonus.

But lets be honest PJ, we all know that comic books don't pay that well. That's why so many writers do tv and movies nowaday (BKV, come back.:csad: )

Control your hatred padawan, Jon Malin is still on these boards.
 
But lets be honest PJ, we all know that comic books don't pay that well. That's why so many writers do tv and movies nowaday (BKV, come back.:csad: )

Comics can pay a lot better than some of you seem to think.
 
Good stories can come from just about anything, and Slott's a talented enough writer to take whatever he's given and make it work somehow. I have no interest in reading the character under those conditions, so I'm not, but I'm sure the many people who're still buying ASM will rave about how Dan took a bad situation and made it tolerable with his humor and all that good stuff.

As Dread, myself, and others have noted, though, I do find it pretty ironic that Dan, the continuity king, is starting off on Spider-Man when the character's continuity is very much malleable and questionable.

I can agree with this some-what. I agree that good stories can come from unexpected places, however, a super powered MJ and having Spider-man's entire continuity needing explanation(especially with Harry's revival) seems a bit much. It's up there with trying to get good stories out of Sins Past or the Other. It's unlikely. But meh. What am I complaining about. I've pretty much decided to give up on Spider-man. I was just hoping Dan could give a good reason not to.
 
Comics can pay a lot better than some of you seem to think.

The only person I've seen that has made a decent living off of writing comics is Mark Waid, that dude is loaded. Bastard.
 
even with all of this im still willing to stick it through with Spidey. Its a shame that they took this character and beat the hell out of him anyworse than any villain could at this point and time in the game. But I'm gonna hold on and hope for a real Brand New Day when someone can get this right
 
The only person I've seen that has made a decent living off of writing comics is Mark Waid, that dude is loaded. Bastard.

It's a lot harder for pencilers than it is for writers. The standard page rate for a writer is about $225-250 a page. Do the math.
 
The only person I've seen that has made a decent living off of writing comics is Mark Waid, that dude is loaded. Bastard.

What about those several graphic novelist who sell the rights to their comics to be made into movies?
 
If they actually own the rights, then they make a good buck.
 
Alan Moore could always supplement his income with Jesus impersonator gigs.
 
Wait, so did Frank Millar own the rights to 300 and Sin City?
 

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